dollars 2 donuts Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If someone has a television and cable TV, they would see that whatever talent KB has, is not being wasted in Buffalo... Also, that someone would know that he will be available shortly for no picks. Remember, this is a guy who, just a few months ago was complaining that Cam Newton messed up his stats! He's a bum. HE'S A GREAT MAN, A GREAT PLAYER AND YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS * * No he's not, no he isn't, and you likely aren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Veteran WRs are a young QBs best friend. I disagree completely with nearly the entire premise of your post. Part of the reason our QBs are struggling is because we ignored WR in the first place. Yes we disagree. this fan base has been screaming about WR's for a good decade, yet when we did have some they never performed, why because the QB's sucked. WR's dont make QB's, that never works. The WR's are bad and should be addressed in FA and draft. Look at DT's contract....another one year rental but at a really high price. It just makes no sense for this team other than to put butts in the seats. the QB has to be able to process what happens after the snap and throw in rhythm, with anticipation. Allen has not shown that and if he did he would throw for over 200 yards per game instead of 133 with the guys on the roster now. Get younger/more economical choices in the offseason. This season is toast. Who should trade for DT? Someone trying to win the SB, not a rebuilding team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I'd take a ham sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 10 hours ago, SoTier said: I bet he goes to a team with a decent offense and suddenly flourishes -- just like most of the other players McDermott and Beane have cut loose in their short tenure. Like who? Tyrod? Dareus? Watkins? Darby has been decent, but I dont think they miss him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Wondering who Beane is talking to...maybe Pizza Hut? Definitely not Papa Johns. I dont think KB is their type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I don't see anyone parting with very much. If we can't move him, I honestly think it would be better for the locker room to just cut him. Guy doesn't run routes hard, not aggressive, below average hands... I don't understand how Mcdermott can preach effort and character and then have this be your #1 receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just say no to acquiring aging wrs Those quick fix band aids are for contenders not a team trying to lay its foundation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Beane is twisting his nipples at the thought of more dead cap space.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said: I'd take a ham sandwich. Darn you, TEC, now all I want is a ham sandwich and I am not even being sarcastic. Seriously, a few layers of smoked ham, Swiss or onion cheddar cheese, lettuce, tomato, yellow mustard and mayonnaise. Throw in a side of regular plain old Fritos. ...being on a diet SUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKSS. EDIT: I didn't even mention the bread. I don't want to think about it. So many carbs. Edited October 24, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, mattynh said: Yes we disagree. this fan base has been screaming about WR's for a good decade, yet when we did have some they never performed, why because the QB's sucked. WR's dont make QB's, that never works. The WR's are bad and should be addressed in FA and draft. Look at DT's contract....another one year rental but at a really high price. It just makes no sense for this team other than to put butts in the seats. the QB has to be able to process what happens after the snap and throw in rhythm, with anticipation. Allen has not shown that and if he did he would throw for over 200 yards per game instead of 133 with the guys on the roster now. Get younger/more economical choices in the offseason. This season is toast. Who should trade for DT? Someone trying to win the SB, not a rebuilding team. First, I think you're missing the forest by focusing on trees. I don't really care how the WRs perform specifically if my offense is functioning effectively. Sammy had the best year of his career in 2015. He definitely performed, and it was in an offense that used terrible pass concepts. Second, look at our offensive performances when we did have WRs and as the WR Corps deteriorated: 2015: (Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Harvin for like 3.5 games) Offensive DVOA: 9th Passing DVOA: 12th Rushing DVOA: 2nd 2016: (Watkins for 8 games, Woods, Goodwin, Hunter) Offensive DVOA: 10th Passing DVOA: 18th Rushing DVOA: 1st 2017: (Jones, Matthews, Thompson, Benjamin) Offensive DVOA: 26th Passing DVOA: 28th Rushing DVOA: 19th 2018: (Benjamin, Jones, Holmes, McCloud) Offensive DVOA: 32nd Passing DVOA: 32nd Rushing DVOA: 24th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: First, I think you're missing the forest by focusing on trees. I don't really care how the WRs perform specifically if my offense is functioning effectively. Sammy had the best year of his career in 2015. He definitely performed, and it was in an offense that used terrible pass concepts. Second, look at our offensive performances when we did have WRs and as the WR Corps deteriorated: 2015: (Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Harvin for like 3.5 games) Offensive DVOA: 9th Passing DVOA: 12th Rushing DVOA: 2nd 2016: (Watkins for 8 games, Woods, Goodwin, Hunter) Offensive DVOA: 10th Passing DVOA: 18th Rushing DVOA: 1st 2017: (Jones, Matthews, Thompson, Benjamin) Offensive DVOA: 26th Passing DVOA: 28th Rushing DVOA: 19th 2018: (Benjamin, Jones, Holmes, McCloud) Offensive DVOA: 32nd Passing DVOA: 32nd Rushing DVOA: 24th The "Trees" are focusing on WR like you are here. You need to also consider the QB and coaching (offensive coordinator/system) which are more important. If you also list those out in the table above it will show other factors contributing to the results. The way this reads you pick WR's and then you have a good offense. Talk about forest and trees....come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, mattynh said: The "Trees" are focusing on WR like you are here. You need to also consider the QB and coaching (offensive coordinator/system) which are more important. If you also list those out in the table above it will show other factors contributing to the results. The way this reads you pick WR's and then you have a good offense. Talk about forest and trees....come on. QB, OL, and RB/TE were essentially the same for the first 3. Playbook was the same for the first 2. The change to Castillo & Dennison was certainly a factor, but removing players that require the defense's attention and not replacing them is the biggest issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Darn you, TEC, now all I want is a ham sandwich and I am not even being sarcastic. Seriously, a few layers of smoked ham, Swiss or onion cheddar cheese, lettuce, tomato, yellow mustard and mayonnaise. Throw in a side of regular plain old Fritos. ...being on a diet SUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKSS. EDIT: I didn't even mention the bread. I don't want to think about it. So many carbs. Rye bread, or rye/pumpernickel swirl >> KB Edited October 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Not seeing enough creativity from Daboll to manufacture offense while Allen gets up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: First, I think you're missing the forest by focusing on trees. I don't really care how the WRs perform specifically if my offense is functioning effectively. Sammy had the best year of his career in 2015. He definitely performed, and it was in an offense that used terrible pass concepts. Second, look at our offensive performances when we did have WRs and as the WR Corps deteriorated: 2015: (Watkins, Woods, Hogan, Goodwin, Harvin for like 3.5 games) Offensive DVOA: 9th Passing DVOA: 12th Rushing DVOA: 2nd 2016: (Watkins for 8 games, Woods, Goodwin, Hunter) Offensive DVOA: 10th Passing DVOA: 18th Rushing DVOA: 1st 2017: (Jones, Matthews, Thompson, Benjamin) Offensive DVOA: 26th Passing DVOA: 28th Rushing DVOA: 19th 2018: (Benjamin, Jones, Holmes, McCloud) Offensive DVOA: 32nd Passing DVOA: 32nd Rushing DVOA: 24th The forest also includes the fact that we had a very different OL between those years. Has a lot to do with how receivers are able to run their routes and gives the QB time to throw accurately and on time. I always liked Sammy more than KB, but doubt he becomes the player he is now if he stayed on the team. Woods was just a solid WR with exceptional blocking ability, too solid to not deal for resources in a rebuild sadly. Edited October 24, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, ctk232 said: The forest also includes the fact that we had a very different OL between those years. Has a lot to do with how receivers are able to run their routes and gives the QB time to throw accurately and on time. I always liked Sammy more than KB, but doubt he becomes the player he is now if he stayed on the team. Woods was just a solid WR with exceptional blocking ability, too solid to not deal for resources in a rebuild sadly. Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Miller, Mills Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Miller, Mills Glenn/Dawkins, Incognito, Wood, Ducasse, Mills Dawkins, Ducasse, Groy/Bodine, Miller, Mills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: WEO, I think if someone thought that his skills were being wasted in Buffalo (I'm not saying us, I'm saying "someone") and that KB could help their team on a playoff push. He could definitely help a WR needy team (possession/red zone) looking to make the playoffs, assuming a team with a competent QB/OC. He's obviously not motivated to play here and could be used to better advantage elsewhere. A 5th could be a reasonable expectation IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 The o-line is the starting point of our offensive problems. Not enough time for the qb, not enough space created for the rb. Its been a weak spot since Woods, Incognito and Glenn haven't been replaced with equal or better quality. This offseason the o-line needs to be a major focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 51 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: QB, OL, and RB/TE were essentially the same for the first 3. Playbook was the same for the first 2. The change to Castillo & Dennison was certainly a factor, but removing players that require the defense's attention and not replacing them is the biggest issue. There were different OC's every single year dude. Lets just agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 16 hours ago, boater said: Home team fans always over-value their players, KB is worth nothing. Maybe a 7th rounder at best, I don't even see that happening. A team was dumb enough to give us a 3rd for Tyrod taylor and a 5th for AJ McCaron, you never know what other GM's value. Didn't we also get a pick for Marshal Newhouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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