Josh Allen injury: “Week-to-Week” with elbow sprain; Returned to practice 11/2

[YoloinOhio]

 

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh Gawd that play.  Exhibit 101 of why Allen is Just Not Ready to play QB - if he ever does get there.

 

Right before he takes off, he has Clay wide open for an easy pitch and catch of 10 yds.  Clay is on the LOS with no one within 10 yds at the time he looks right at Allen, and his chances of running for the 1st are better than Allen's who is 8 yds back at that point, even if Allen fancies himself as a runner more than Clay.  If Allen didn't pull the trigger because he doesn't have confidence in himself he can make that throw while on the run, he simply can't play QB in the NFL - and I'm not one of the folks who is all "insta-bust" about him.

I deleted the game (because of course!). Anyone have a clip? 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can you say more on this or provide a link or two?  I'm one of those who have been critiquing him (and taking a bit of heat for it). 

I know no evil of him though, just the feeling that it's unethical to be trading on his status as an MD and a former NFL team doctor to diagnose and pronounce courses of treatment from video

 

Thanks.

 

There is an article about him from the San Diego Tribune, from a writer that obviously hates him, that gives a laundry list of facts and accusations about the guy. It's a long list, and after reading it I too have a lot of trouble with a doctor like that, as a team physician. It's slanted, of course, but this Chao guy has a lot of sketchy occurrences in his past.

 

That said, all I have to go on is what the guy says as a TV doctor, watching video of injuries and providing quick diagnoses of what the injury is like. I have seen probably ten of them in the last two years and he was very accurate for the most part. And he comes out and says I only saw it on TV but this is what it looks like. So I think he provides a good perspective for fans, regardless of his sketchy past.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

20 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

This.

 

Pure speculation, but he appears VERY afraid to make a mistake.

 

 

 

I agree with this.  Could be a combination of many things, especially with coaches continuously preaching being smart with the ball, and as a rookie not trying to make rookie mistakes which cost the team.  I think coaching reinforcement that would encourage him to let the ball rip and it's okay if your trying to make a play.  He plays too overly cautious and doesn't trust his line, WRs, or obviously himself.  This needs to be coached out of him, by allowing for the mistakes to happen.  This is the only way he will learn and how he will gain confidence as he will see he can make those throws.   I truly believe Allen's struggles are more directly related to coaching than anything else and hopefully Anderson will be the right mentor and coach to him that he is not getting from the OC and QB coach.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There is an article about him from the San Diego Tribune, from a writer that obviously hates him, that gives a laundry list of facts and accusations about the guy. It's a long list, and after reading it I too have a lot of trouble with a doctor like that, as a team physician. It's slanted, of course, but this Chao guy has a lot of sketchy occurrences in his past.

 

That said, all I have to go on is what the guy says as a TV doctor, watching video of injuries and providing quick diagnoses of what the injury is like. I have seen probably ten of them in the last two years and he was very accurate for the most part. And he comes out and says I only saw it on TV but this is what it looks like. So I think he provides a good perspective for fans, regardless of his sketchy past.

 

I've seen him saying "I only saw it on TV but this is what it looks like" and I'm OK with that.

It's when he's started with "this is what it is" type stuff I have a problem with it. 

 

Wow, Chao as Chargers team doc sounds like the Poster Child for why the right to seek second opinions/independent treatment was critical to the last CBA
https://deadspin.com/5835403/the-medical-board-says-david-chao-is-a-drunk-former-patients-say-hes-a-quack-why-is-he-an-nfl-team-doctor
 

21 minutes ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with this.  Could be a combination of many things, especially with coaches continuously preaching being smart with the ball, and as a rookie not trying to make rookie mistakes which cost the team.  I think coaching reinforcement that would encourage him to let the ball rip and it's okay if your trying to make a play.  He plays too overly cautious and doesn't trust his line, WRs, or obviously himself.  This needs to be coached out of him, by allowing for the mistakes to happen.  This is the only way he will learn and how he will gain confidence as he will see he can make those throws.   I truly believe Allen's struggles are more directly related to coaching than anything else and hopefully Anderson will be the right mentor and coach to him that he is not getting from the OC and QB coach.

 

I'm trying to think which announcer it was - I think Romo! at the Vikes game - who said that a certain number of INTs are a learning experience for a young QB and that a coach should say "OK, I want you to throw two INTs this game" not meaning it quite literally, but giving the young QB permission to make mistakes that are part of the learning process.

 

36 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I deleted the game (because of course!). Anyone have a clip? 

 

I put two up.  Not .gifs 'cuz I don't know how to make short video .gifs from Gamepass.

 

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Lol, this day and age we get a still presumably from a video that looks shot on a Motorola from 2005

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

My concern is if he needs a brace like that, how come he walked off the field on Sunday and went home bare-armed?

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My concern is if he needs a brace like that, how come he walked off the field on Sunday and went home bare-armed?

That is why I was hoping it wasn't a bad injury. For a long time he didn't have anything on his arm. Later in the game, he had a bandage that looked like maybe some ice in it. Not sure how he left the stadium.

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

You don't have to be a football guru to see that Allen plays scared. Against the Vikings, if you have the game saved for some reason, go back and just look at his face. He looked calm , unphased and dare I say, confident.

 

Every other game besides the Vikings game, he looks like a deer in the forest eating leaves and looking out for predators. I'm not even a hunter and I can tell what that looks like. Just imagine defenders who are looking to sack him and how they must be salivating at that scared look of a QB.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I've never had PRP, but I can say from personal experience that ARPwave therapy is completely legit 

 

Excruciating to endure, but unmatched in pain relief IMO

 

Yes that's completely different. 

 

 

[klos63]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How on earth does McDermott stand up there with a straight face and talk about how it will be good for Allen to see how a veteran QB prepares and go through the week with him as if this is some great improvement, when it was something they could have arranged from the start and never did?

 

And then to talk about Peterman having the same opportunity and it being good for him too, when everyone in the NFL must be able to see that Peterman just can't play?

I think we all know Peterman is done here when Allen gets healthy or they sign another QB, I don't have a problem with McDermott not trashing him in public.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

“I’m not a rocket scientist but  ...  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The 100% true part of this is the insurance company exclusion and that there are to date no solid studies backing up its use for healing ligaments or cartilage and that no one knows exactly how it works.  If you've had personal dealings with it, I wouldn't want to buck your clinical experience either.  On the other hand, this is kind of my professional thing (not PRP per se, pharmaceutical use of biologics)

 

It isn't total voodoo, and they shouldn't have to leave the country for just for PRP.  It's known that PRP is enriched for growth factors and it has some good results in vivo animal studies.  CBER (Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research) has approved a bunch of PRP preparations under 510(k) for bone graft applications.  I caught a seminar about 10 yrs back and the preparation being presented seemed pretty legit for the presented use (intractable disjunctions or reconstructions if I recall correctly).  The injections for healing other tissues are then allowed "off label" (but insurance rightly won't cover off label uses).

 

 

 

 

Biologicals are legit, mainstream treatments for a wide variety of diseases (usually autoimmune).  PRP is the intuitively bogus process of taking your won blood, spinning out the plasma (plus "platelets") and reinjecting your own plasma.  Sad, but true.

 

Chao is a personal and professional disaster for YEARS.  He is all that is wrong with the medical profession.  He's a drunk, with multiple DWI, he is a pill pusher and taker.  And he's a butcher in the OR.

 

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-chao-0106-story.html

https://deadspin.com/5835403/the-medical-board-says-david-chao-is-a-drunk-former-patients-say-hes-a-quack-why-is-he-an-nfl-team-doctor

https://deadspin.com/5835403/the-medical-board-says-david-chao-is-a-drunk-former-patients-say-hes-a-quack-why-is-he-an-nfl-team-doctor

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Biologicals are legit, mainstream treatments for a wide variety of diseases (usually autoimmune).  PRP is the intuitively bogus process of taking your won blood, spinning out the plasma (plus "platelets") and reinjecting your own plasma.  Sad, but true.

 

Chao is a personal and professional disaster for YEARS.  He is all that is wrong with the medical profession.  He's a drunk, with multiple DWI, he is a pill pusher and taker.  And he's a butcher in the OR.

 

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-chao-0106-story.html

https://deadspin.com/5835403/the-medical-board-says-david-chao-is-a-drunk-former-patients-say-hes-a-quack-why-is-he-an-nfl-team-doctor

https://deadspin.com/5835403/the-medical-board-says-david-chao-is-a-drunk-former-patients-say-hes-a-quack-why-is-he-an-nfl-team-doctor

 

I have had that done a few times when I donated blood.   They can double dip each visit 

 

I'm curious .....   Who else here besides Mr. WEO and @Doc actually have a degree in medicine?? 

 

I've known these two dating back to the D&C Forums and I know they are not BS'ing 

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with this.  Could be a combination of many things, especially with coaches continuously preaching being smart with the ball, and as a rookie not trying to make rookie mistakes which cost the team.  I think coaching reinforcement that would encourage him to let the ball rip and it's okay if your trying to make a play.  He plays too overly cautious and doesn't trust his line, WRs, or obviously himself.  This needs to be coached out of him, by allowing for the mistakes to happen.  This is the only way he will learn and how he will gain confidence as he will see he can make those throws.   I truly believe Allen's struggles are more directly related to coaching than anything else and hopefully Anderson will be the right mentor and coach to him that he is not getting from the OC and QB coach.

I don't believe in Allen, but I have to agree with this.

 

McDermott is obviously conservative by nature, and it would appear JA's number 1 goal is not to make mistakes. That mentality is the reason Tyrod Taylor is Tyrod Taylor. (And I like Tyrod)

 

If this season was really about Josh Allen, they should have told him from day one that the only mistake is the play you don't try to make. There's no way to know for sure what they're telling him, but the gameplan and Allen's play suggest they haven't made it clear that mistakes are part of progress.

 

I'd rather see a young QB throw for 2 TD's/4 INT's 260 yards than a TD/no picks and a buck 30.

[GG]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I deleted the game (because of course!). Anyone have a clip? 

 

Here you go, Sue. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Here you go, Sue. 

Thanks! 

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My concern is if he needs a brace like that, how come he walked off the field on Sunday and went home bare-armed?

 

Docs probably didn't put it on until the swelling went down a bit. 

[YoloinOhio]