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Josh Gordon was sought after by more teams than any of the remaining WR free agents.  Yet they hold all the cards and won't come to Buffalo?  

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5 hours ago, drf1835 said:

 

Well, the roller coaster works both ways. It is a gamble hiring prima washed up donnas. Beggers like Dez cannot be choosers. Don't play a whole year more if he wants. The almost nonexistent demand now will go to 0 demand for him and others like him next year. Players who are old and on the big decline and who have bigger heads and headaches than nfl teams want or need, are a dime a dozen.

 

Yeah, I understand. I wasn’t saying I’m a fan of Dez in particular b/c I believe he is the antithesis to what McD & Beane are building. It was more that FA WRs in general will hopefully see the vision. I don’t think they necessarily want the top WR in the market. I think they’re looking for WRs who are good but unselfish with a team first mentality and those types of WRs will value the build that is occurring in Buffalo.

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2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

McBeane believe in growing their own.   I'd bet that they're thinking this:

 

1.  They're going to make Ray Ray and Zay into the kind of receivers they want.  

2.  They're going to draft a receiver in 2019.

3.  They're going to pick up a free agent second third year guy who hasn't made it yet (like Ray Ray), and make him into what they want.  

 

Not popular, but that's my guess.  

 

These guys are sure of themselves, and they're patient.  I'm sure they have assurances from assurances from the Pegulas that they will be allowed to stay and do their work.  I'd guess they have at least three years, maybe more, and they're confident that by 2020 this team is going to be competing.  

I doubt they are counting on Ray Ray

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8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yep. This is why if they want to acquire a decent WR with experience they have to trade for one and overpay to keep him. 

 

 

And probably have to overpay in the trade too.

 

 Teams need WR talent more than ever and at the same time the pipeline of freak WR talent dried up after the 2014 draft.

 

Chuck Knox once said Buffalo is where coaches go to die.........and sure enough for decades after that Ralph couldn't get a sniff of a HC with a good resume.

 

Buffalo is now where WR's go to die.   

 

And every agent knows it.

 

This team desperately needs a #1 WR.........if only to create better matchups for EVERYONE else.

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8 hours ago, zow2 said:

I get that none of the big names want to be in Buf.   Still kinda shake my head that the team released guys like O'Leary and Rod Streater.  Not that our record would we any better, but the team desperately needs some possession receivers on the field.  Those guys knew the system and could have contributed more than Robert Foster, Logan Thomas, etc..., Right?!?

I would take Logan over O'Leary but streeter over any wr not named Zay. Hes the only one who can catch.... did I just say that

8 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

You know why they dont want to come? The Bills are cash strapped this season. Also, I dont think the Bills reached out to Maclin or Dez. Neither player has latched on because they both have really lost a step.

Maclin last year

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43 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I doubt they are counting on Ray Ray

I'm guessing Daboll wants to make him into one of those little Patriot receivers - a Welker-Amendola-Edelman type.  We saw it a little last week, and I'm looking for more of it Sunday.

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8 hours ago, ctk232 said:

No FA WR worth his salt will sign with the Bills this season if they are looking to make the playoffs. Nor do we really need to make any mid-season moves for any. Despite the current state of our corps, it's not like we're contending for a berth this year so why waste money on a WR that likely won't even fit the system/culture? We may have some more leverage in FA with our increased cap, but still risk overpaying for top talent. To be honest, Funchess is about the only WR I'd offer from this upcoming pool, but it's likely he stays put. We'll more than likely fill out our corps with second rate receivers with good fundamentals.

 

I'd rather we put our draft capital to work here for our top WR in the 2nd to start to provide a WR corps of the future. Use this to gain momentum and attraction for other elite talent. 

 

Frankly, if they don't want to be part of the build and future process, then fine.

Canning Benjamin and signing funchess would be I Ron Ic

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Why don't the Bills go get Rishard Matthews? Is he injured or something?

 

Cause he had 2 pretty productive years prior in Tennesee

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9 hours ago, jtothebrown said:

So many of us have been wondering why we havent signed any semi-notable wr's this year with the obvious need for help in that department.

 

I recently spoke to a very reliable source today that told me why! The Dez Bryants, Maclins, etc have turned us down. We go through the scrap heaps for a reason. 

 

 

Make the best offer and they will come. Make a lower offer and they won't.

 

That's how 95% of players make their minds up about contracts. It's only when the offers are more or less equal that other things come, for most guys.

 

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7 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

I would take Logan over O'Leary but streeter over any wr not named Zay. Hes the only one who can catch.... did I just say that

Maclin last year

Yes, Maclin didnt want to come here. I doubt the Bills would ask him again.

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16 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Yes, Maclin didnt want to come here. I doubt the Bills would ask him again.

How dumb would they look if they asked him back again and he left again. That's too risky

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23 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Why don't the Bills go get Rishard Matthews? Is he injured or something?

 

Cause he had 2 pretty productive years prior in Tennesee

Supposedly he and the Bills WR coach hate each other. 

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On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 11:38 AM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Wait until ‘19 when we have 80 million + in cap room.  They’ll be lining up to come to Buffalo.  Money talks.

 

Lining up to be coached by who?... We had two solid WR's in Woods and Watkins... -Didn't get us anywhere.

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36 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

How dumb would they look if they asked him back again and he left again. That's too risky

Not worth it at all- and I dont think any other teams have interest because he is in massive decline.

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11 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Not worth it at all- and I dont think any other teams have interest because he is in massive decline.

Coupled with the fact that most teams feel, and probably rightfully so, they have a viable wr Corp. You would be hard pressed to find a team with this kind of wr room. ZAY JONES is our best wr. Wow

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Can we just all agree the Watkins trade was not worth it? This was how it was pre Watkins/after Stevie. No WR talent. How do you obtain it? The draft, because generally talented WRs don’t hit FA. 

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43 minutes ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said:

Can we just all agree the Watkins trade was not worth it? This was how it was pre Watkins/after Stevie. No WR talent. How do you obtain it? The draft, because generally talented WRs don’t hit FA. 

I disliked letting Woods go even more.

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7 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

Coupled with the fact that most teams feel, and probably rightfully so, they have a viable wr Corp. You would be hard pressed to find a team with this kind of wr room. ZAY JONES is our best wr. Wow

The only team I can think of early on that had a weak WR Corps was NE and they didnt even kick the tires on Maclin!

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7 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

I disliked letting Woods go even more.

One of the most boneheaded non signings in recent memory. Great blocker and decent hads for a #3.

Allen could have used him well. Plus the fact he is under a extremely cap friendly contract.

Good for Robert woods making a bit of noise out West. 

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1 hour ago, Best Player Available said:

One of the most boneheaded non signings in recent memory. Great blocker and decent hads for a #3.

Allen could have used him well. Plus the fact he is under a extremely cap friendly contract.

Good for Robert woods making a bit of noise out West. 

For sure- good guy too. I am happy for him. Plus he is a USC guy so Woods is back home. 

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On 10/11/2018 at 2:38 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Wait until ‘19 when we have 80 million + in cap room.  They’ll be lining up to come to Buffalo.  Money talks.

we won't be the only team with a lot of cap space...

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5 hours ago, Best Player Available said:

One of the most boneheaded non signings in recent memory. Great blocker and decent hads for a #3.

Allen could have used him well. Plus the fact he is under a extremely cap friendly contract.

Good for Robert woods making a bit of noise out West. 

...did you EVER think that $8 mil a year, $15 mil guaranteed would be a ridiculous OVERPAYMENT for a WR ala Woods?.....the absurd market explosion is more of "desperation junction" versus paying for performance.....same for QB spot....Cousins @ $87 mil guaranteed?....hell, Willie Sutton is envious of that LEGAL heist IMO.............

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On 10/11/2018 at 1:53 PM, zow2 said:

I get that none of the big names want to be in Buf.   Still kinda shake my head that the team released guys like O'Leary and Rod Streater.  Not that our record would we any better, but the team desperately needs some possession receivers on the field.  Those guys knew the system and could have contributed more than Robert Foster, Logan Thomas, etc..., Right?!?

 

O'Leary was outplayed by Croom and Streater dropped passes all summer, he never got back into the shape he was in before his injury. 

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On 10/11/2018 at 3:08 PM, Soda Popinski said:

It's too late for that this season, it would take a WR a few weeks to get up to speed with the offense, and I'm not sure adding a WR is going to do much with a rookie QB.    

never give up hope. Maybe PS is the best resource at this point though, considering Allen and familiarity ?

On 10/11/2018 at 4:17 PM, YodaMan79 said:

Maclin is a true pro.  I think we need that here.  He can't be asking for too much...* Just read he wants no part of the team.

 

Problem is, having a lot of cap room is great, but, a curse too.  Most good/great players don't hit free agency and those that do have an *.  The Bills don't have a core group of young talent worth re-upping now.  

 

It's bad enough that Buffalo has to overpay to get FA talent to consider playing there.

Maybe that is not the method McBeanes plan.

Build thought the draft. Let Allen develop along with his own " generation ".
fill in some gaps with Fa.  But at some point they might well need to pay. if the right player shakes free come offseason.
Hopefully next draft is focused Offense and hard,

plus Fa for that line.
 

i also do not care who supposedly does not want to come to Buffalo.

 I think this is more a myth being regurgitated than our ability to bring in folks for a looksee.

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