DC Tom Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: A quick search shows several different stages where a fetus is considered to feel pain. The anti-abortion groups seem to claim there's pain at 8 weeks while the abortion enthusiasts claim it's up to 28 weeks. Others think it's about 20 weeks. The example used by Dr. Levatino was 2nd trimester which 20 weeks would fall right in the middle of that. Twenty weeks is also considered about the earliest a fetus could be viable outside the womb. Nothing in his testimony could be refuted with certainty. So there. I posted that here in response to a post by B-Man on the previous page that you responded to also. I should have quoted that in posting the Dr.'s testimony. All based on a misunderstanding of "pain" vs. "nocioception." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) I give up trying to keep the thread on topic and I also will listen to Dr. Levatino on this particular subject over our resident expert on all things Dr. Anthony Levatino is a board certified obstetrician-gynecologist with 40 years of medical experience. He is a physician and lawyer, and taught as associate professor of OB-GYN at Albany Medical Center, where he also served as the Medical Student Director and Residency Program Director. In the early part of his career, Dr. Levatino performed over 1,200 abortions in the first and second trimesters. Dr. Levatino has practiced obstetrics and gynecology in Florida, New York, and currently practices in New Mexico. Edited May 20, 2019 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: I give up trying to keep the thread on topic and I also will listen to Dr. Levatino on this particular subject over our resident expert on all things Dr. Anthony Levatino is a board certified obstetrician-gynecologist with 40 years of medical experience. He is a physician and lawyer, and taught as associate professor of OB-GYN at Albany Medical Center, where he also served as the Medical Student Director and Residency Program Director. In the early part of his career, Dr. Levatino performed over 1,200 abortions in the first and second trimesters. Dr. Levatino has practiced obstetrics and gynecology in Florida, New York, and currently practices in New Mexico. He's calling a reaction to stimulus "pain" with no evidence. You'll listen to him because he reinforces your preconceived notions. That's all. He's still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: He's calling a reaction to stimulus "pain" with no evidence. You'll listen to him because he reinforces your preconceived notions. That's all. He's still wrong. Thomas, I will defer to you and your expertise at preconceived notions ............................. I guess the democrat Boycott Fox movement doesn't match the need for exposure...................? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 The Swallwell one should be rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Swalwell looks like a more punchable Dennis Quaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Swalwell looks like a more punchable Dennis Quaid. Yes, I'd like to give him a little "nocioception" right to his nose. Edited May 20, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Yes, I'd like to give him a little "nocioception" right to his nose. You sure it wouldn't just be a stimulus? I mean...this is Swalwell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Is anyone at the Town Hall going to ask Swalwell about his plan to nuke proponents of the 2nd Amendment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You sure it wouldn't just be a stimulus? I mean...this is Swalwell... No, kicking him in the ass (literally) would probably be a real stimulus for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 OF COURSE SHE DOES AND OF COURSE IT IS: Kamala Harris Has a Plan to Close the ‘Gender Pay Gap’—and It’s Completely Unworkable. How long will de Blasio drag out his presidential farce? Original Article . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: OF COURSE SHE DOES AND OF COURSE IT IS: Kamala Harris Has a Plan to Close the ‘Gender Pay Gap’—and It’s Completely Unworkable. How long will de Blasio drag out his presidential farce? Original Article . he wants to build a warchest for future campaigns and other outlets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 27 minutes ago, B-Man said: OF COURSE SHE DOES AND OF COURSE IT IS: Kamala Harris Has a Plan to Close the ‘Gender Pay Gap’—and It’s Completely Unworkable. What a coincidence, so do I! It is called stop getting Gender Studies degrees and get a STEM degree instead! This old trope is ridiculous. If women were paid 20% less than men at the same job, no publicly held corporate would hire a man. The stockholders would revolt as an easy way to save 20% off the bottom line would be to hire only women. There are plenty of studies that show male/female wage scales are the same (or skew slightly higher toward women) within a field; simply look at nursing, medical doctors, civil engineering, etc to see that women with the same experience and same degree, make the same amount. Now if the discussion is why do women disproportionately put their careers on hold and take over childcare, well that is a different conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What a coincidence, so do I! It is called stop getting Gender Studies degrees and get a STEM degree instead! This old trope is ridiculous. If women were paid 20% less than men at the same job, no publicly held corporate would hire a man. The stockholders would revolt as an easy way to save 20% off the bottom line would be to hire only women. There are plenty of studies that show male/female wage scales are the same (or skew slightly higher toward women) within a field; simply look at nursing, medical doctors, civil engineering, etc to see that women with the same experience and same degree, make the same amount. Now if the discussion is why do women disproportionately put their careers on hold and take over childcare, well that is a different conversation. One thing about this is sometimes mentioned but not often. I found out about it when I got a job offer and watched a few videos about salary negotiation on youtube. Seems women don't negotiate for salary near as often as men. If you start with less because you didn't negotiate a good deal, you'll be stuck with less for the whole time you are that company. Should be an easy fix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: One thing about this is sometimes mentioned but not often. I found out about it when I got a job offer and watched a few videos about salary negotiation on youtube. Seems women don't negotiate for salary near as often as men. If you start with less because you didn't negotiate a good deal, you'll be stuck with less for the whole time you are that company. Should be an easy fix. and then your only raise will come from exceptional work or first finding another offer and they want to retain your services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I get the sense that Kim doesn't care for Joe Biden. I am sure it is because he'll be lots tougher on North Korea, so they fear Creepy Uncle Joe. North Korean Media Lashes Out at ‘Reckless, Senseless’ Biden As the 2020 U.S. presidential race heats up, North Korea’s official KCNA news agency has jumped into the fray, calling aspiring Democratic contender Joe Biden a "snob bereft of elementary quality as human being". "He is self-praising himself as being the most popular presidential candidate. This is enough to make a cat laugh," the agency writes in a commentary piece that also denigrates Biden for his university grades and for falling asleep at a speech by President Barack Obama in 2011. KCNA also called the former vice president a "fool of low IQ" and said he "had the temerity to insult the supreme leadership" of North Korea at a recent campaign event. </snip> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, row_33 said: and then your only raise will come from exceptional work or first finding another offer and they want to retain your services My corporate experience tells me that probably won't even do that much for you. All raises are based on a percentage of your salary. Even when you get promoted to a higher level they'll just bump you up like 4%. You may get a bonus now and then but nothing to significantly change your income. I always now tell young people they need to negotiate the best deal they can because all future raises will depend on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: My corporate experience tells me that probably won't even do that much for you. All raises are based on a percentage of your salary. Even when you get promoted to a higher level they'll just bump you up like 4%. You may get a bonus now and then but nothing to significantly change your income. I always now tell young people they need to negotiate the best deal they can because all future raises will depend on that. you have no pull on salary for your first job you cannot contribute: 1) capital to invest in the company 2) a book of business you are bringing 3) the experience to do the things well that nobody else wants to do just relax and work hard and learn and build up the other 3 things for later on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 6 hours ago, B-Man said: How long will de Blasio drag out his presidential farce? Original Article . For ever. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 18 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I get the sense that Kim doesn't care for Joe Biden. I am sure it is because he'll be lots tougher on North Korea, so they fear Creepy Uncle Joe. North Korean Media Lashes Out at ‘Reckless, Senseless’ Biden As the 2020 U.S. presidential race heats up, North Korea’s official KCNA news agency has jumped into the fray, calling aspiring Democratic contender Joe Biden a "snob bereft of elementary quality as human being". "He is self-praising himself as being the most popular presidential candidate. This is enough to make a cat laugh," the agency writes in a commentary piece that also denigrates Biden for his university grades and for falling asleep at a speech by President Barack Obama in 2011. KCNA also called the former vice president a "fool of low IQ" and said he "had the temerity to insult the supreme leadership" of North Korea at a recent campaign event. </snip> So, KCNA out-Trumped Trump with the insults. That is an accomplishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 AMEN........................ . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 4 hours ago, KRC said: So, KCNA out-Trumped Trump with the insults. That is an accomplishment. KCNA's hyperbolic nonsense is always good for a laugh. Especially when their insults and boasts don't translate well into English. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: KCNA's hyperbolic nonsense is always good for a laugh. Especially when their insults and boasts don't translate well into English. I always enjoyed reading it. Not only was it good for a laugh, but it is good for insight. I spent a lot of time studying their negotiating tactics a while back. By reading it, you can see shifts in their official positions on issues. Not on the surface, but by looking at how the rhetoric shifts over time. It was pretty insightful and gave you a good look into them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 "Born to run..." to the bottom. (Sad trombone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: "Born to run..." to the bottom. (Sad trombone) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Stupid Trump meme aside... Beto wants to address abortion via executive power and judicial activism, but not legislative action. And Trump's abusing power? I ***** hate Democrats. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Quinnipiac 2020 Poll: Top Three Dems Are White and Seventy-ish. JOSH KRAUSHAAR: Kamala Harris Is Undermining Her Campaign. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: 2 thing. 1. Birth control is covered in the Affordable Care Act. He doesn't know that? According to HealthCare.Gov Food and Drug Administration, approved contraceptive methods prescribed by a woman’s doctor are covered. This includes: Barrier methods used during intercourse like diaphragms and sponges Hormonal methods, like birth control pills and vaginal rings Implanted devices, like intrauterine devices (IUDs) Emergency contraception, like Plan B® and ella® Sterilization procedures Patient education and counseling https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-birth-control/ 2. It's an election year and abortion is being heated up by both sides. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 The 24 Democrats by Jim Geraghty Original Article Every presidential primary ends with one winner and a lot of losers. Some might argue that one or two once-little-known candidates who overperform low expectations get to enjoy a form of moral victory. (Brief review of each candidate at the link) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 10 hours ago, reddogblitz said: 2 thing. 1. Birth control is covered in the Affordable Care Act. He doesn't know that? According to HealthCare.Gov Food and Drug Administration, approved contraceptive methods prescribed by a woman’s doctor are covered. This includes: Barrier methods used during intercourse like diaphragms and sponges Hormonal methods, like birth control pills and vaginal rings Implanted devices, like intrauterine devices (IUDs) Emergency contraception, like Plan B® and ella® Sterilization procedures Patient education and counseling https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-birth-control/ 2. It's an election year and abortion is being heated up by both sides. Coincidence? If THIS is an election year, what year ISN'T an election year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Taro T said: If THIS is an election year, what year ISN'T an election year? it's an off-off year not sure why they are killing each other off like this, there's only so much $$$ to go around... especially if the Dems know they are driving a team of wild horses up Bear Mountain during a snowstorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: and these polls force the person to CHOOSE ONE undecided and "not one of these pigs listed" isn't an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Taro T said: If THIS is an election year, what year ISN'T an election year? There aren't any. As soon as one election is over and the winners sworn in, the race to stay in office or throw the bum out office begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Obviously, Dems are not burning to have Biden lead them into 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Warren was all but dead, and she is now at 9%? And Harris gained 6% after not moving off 8% since she declared? And Bernie is at 14%? Ummm yeah. Is this the beginning of the unlikeable Harris moving up? (She was who I thought was the "chosen one" since the start of this circus.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: There aren't any. As soon as one election is over and the winners sworn in, the race to stay in office or throw the bum out office begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Campaign 2020 Buttigieg: It’s ‘disgusting’ that Trump is reportedly considering pardons for soldiers convicted of war crimes Democratic 2020 hopeful Pete Buttigieg, a mayor from Indiana who served in Afghanistan as a Navy Reserve intelligence officer, says such pardons would hurt the standing of the U.S. military abroad and make troops less safe. By John Wagner 2 hours ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Campaign 2020 Buttigieg: It’s ‘disgusting’ that Trump is reportedly considering pardons for soldiers convicted of war crimes Democratic 2020 hopeful Pete Buttigieg, a mayor from Indiana who served in Afghanistan as a Navy Reserve intelligence officer, says such pardons would hurt the standing of the U.S. military abroad and make troops less safe. By John Wagner 2 hours ago Tibs, in general do you have positive views of the US Military? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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