26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Byron Leftwich? Good lluck with that! He's actually well regarded in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Doc said: For what? He just became a (QB) coach last season. But the Cards' QB's haven't been playing well. Sounds like you should look him up and do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Sounds like you should look him up and do some research. Do some research on how well-regarded Leftwich is as an offensive mind when he's only been a coach for a whole 1-1/3 seasons, and for just QB's who have been playing lousy at that? Where do I start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Do some research on how well-regarded Leftwich is as an offensive mind when he's only been a coach for a whole 1-1/3 seasons, and for just QB's who have been playing lousy at that? Where do I start? It's called Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's called Google. You must have an article ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doc said: You must have an article ready to go. I don't think so. I couldn't find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: I don't think so. I couldn't find one. My mistake. Arizona Cardinals message boards don't count as "articles." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doc said: My mistake. Arizona Cardinals message boards don't count as "articles." 15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Byron Leftwich Gets First Chance as Offensive Coordinator By ANDY BENOIT October 19, 2018 Cardinals first-year head coach Steve Wilks made an unsurprising decision Friday, firing offensive coordinator Mike McCoy and promoting quarterbacks coach Byron Leftwich to that post. Two things I've heard whispered around the NFL: 1. McCoy's system is strung together by miscellaneous tactics and concepts that worked when he coached great field general quarterbacks like Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning, but were not user-friendly to your typical QB. 2. Leftwich, the former seventh overall pick out of Marshall who started 50 games in nine NFL seasons, is one of the league's great young quarterback minds. I heard this enough times that this past offseason I made a special trip to Phoenix to meet Leftwich and talk football. He was a joy to visit with, but to be perfectly honest, our conversation revealed very little. Leftwich is guarded with his—to borrow a Marc Trestman term—"football intellectual property." (To Leftwich's credit, he's unabashed about this. "I don't like to talk publicly about specific plays," he told me, "because I've heard too many coaches accidentally reveal things with what they thought were innocent, general comments.") What was apparent from our conversation is Leftwich believes that everything an offense does must tie not to a certain philosophy, but rather to your quarterback's perspective. You must understand how your QB sees things and build your plays and verbiage accordingly. That may seem obvious, but it's not something every offensive architect acts on. It's hilarious when people are dismissive without the benefit of any information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 seems someone is pretty obsessed with that rosen kid here. poor fella, the bills didn't pick him so he lives with a futile obsession over his boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 I should dig up the predict the stats for Nathan Peterman's 1st start thread from last season to out just for the hilarity of it and post some of the numbers of some of the peanut gallery. It got really quiet after that until this preseason and now....crickets. Now in here talking smack like they know something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I should dig up the predict the stats for Nathan Peterman's 1st start thread from last season to out just for the hilarity of it and post some of the numbers of some of the peanut gallery. It got really quiet after that until this preseason and now....crickets. Now in here talking smack like they know something. Folks routinely make projections that turn out wrong. So what, really? You do seem pretty certain Rosen is destined to be a superior qb. I don't see how you know that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: Folks routinely make projections that turn out wrong. So what, really? You do seem pretty certain Rosen is destined to be a superior qb. I don't see how you know that either. I know what I see as far as certain QB skill sets that translate to success or failure at the NFL level. It doesn't make it 100% certain, but signs are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's hilarious when people are dismissive without the benefit of any information. "He was a joy to visit with, but to be perfectly honest, our conversation revealed very little." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Doc said: "He was a joy to visit with, but to be perfectly honest, our conversation revealed very little." By design. "I don't like to talk publicly about specific plays," he told me, "because I've heard too many coaches accidentally reveal things with what they thought were innocent, general comments.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) I have to say for being proclaimed as the "Most ready to start" QB of the bunch, he has been pretty disappointing. He basically has been Josh Allen without the athleticism or the arm strength. Their stats and QB ratings are eerily similar...however Allen has had a handful of spectacular plays, mostly with his feet that Rosen has not. Allen also has thrown for more yards in a game than Rosen has(245 to 240) Edited October 20, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: I have to say for being proclaimed as the "Most ready to start" QB of the bunch, he has been pretty disappointing. He basically has been Josh Allen without the athleticism or the arm strength. Their stats and QB ratings are eerily similar...however Allen has had a handful of spectacular plays, mostly with his feet that Rosen has not. 100% wrong. It's pretty obvious who has never looked in on the thread or posted in it before TNF this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I know what I see as far as certain QB skill sets that translate to success or failure at the NFL level. It doesn't make it 100% certain, but signs are there. You are more convinced than I am. Frankly, I don't care too much because he isn't playing for my team. The only reason this is an issue here is that those like yourself who are strongly convinced Rosen has a high probability of success are equally convinced Allen has a low probability of success. I see equivocity in both cases and I think Allen has the higher ceiling and much more appealing leadership qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: You are more convinced than I am. Frankly, I don't care too much because he isn't playing for my team. The only reason this is an issue here is that those like yourself who are strongly convinced Rosen has a high probability of success are equally convinced Allen has a low probability of success. I see equivocity in both cases and I think Allen has the higher ceiling and much more appealing leadership qualities. Higher ceiling if he matches physical ability with the other aspects of playing the position well at the NFL level. We all hope he makes it there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 100% wrong. It's pretty obvious who has never looked in on the thread or posted in it before TNF this week. Is it? Look pretty similar to me! Rosen 55% completion percentage, Allen 54% Rosen 66.0 Rating, Allen 61.6 Rating. Rosen 3 TDs and 5 INTs, Allen 2 TDs and 5 INTs Allen has Added 3 TD's on the ground that don't get accounted for in the stats. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: By design. "I don't like to talk publicly about specific plays," he told me, "because I've heard too many coaches accidentally reveal things with what they thought were innocent, general comments.") You don't have to talk about specific plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Is it? Look pretty similar to me! Rosen 55% completion percentage, Allen 54% Rosen 66.0 Rating, Allen 61.6 Rating. Rosen 3 TDs and 5 INTs, Allen 2 TDs and 5 INTs Allen has Added 3 TD's on the ground that don't get accounted for in the stats. Boxscore scouting? You should know better. On 9/30/2018 at 10:20 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: What we learned so far from Sunday's Week 4 games 3. Don't get caught up in the box score when looking at Cardinals rookie quarterback Josh Rosen's first career start. Rosen completed 15 of 27 passes for 180 yards and a touchdown with some impressive throws, but his receiving corps didn't help out a lot early in the game. Wide receivers Christian Kirk, Larry Fitzgerald and J.J. Nelson all dropped passes, and Fitzgerald experienced a very uncharacteristic two drops in the first half. Rosen had perfect ball placement on deep passes to Kirk and Nelson, only to see the ball squirt away. Nelson, in particular, dropped a pass that should have set the Cardinals up with a first-and-goal at about the 5-yard line. Nevertheless, Rosen showed poise throughout the game to overcome the drops and led the team late in the fourth quarter to the game-tying score with a laser 22-yard strike to wide receiver Chad Williams. Given his arm strength and ability to shake off early adversity, the Cardinals rookie's future looks bright. -- Herbie Teope On 10/1/2018 at 2:28 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: On 10/1/2018 at 8:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: On 10/2/2018 at 6:18 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Boxscore scouting? You should know better. Bet Allen wishes he had a first ballot HOF'er at WR to throw to... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: Bet Allen wishes he had a first ballot HOF'er at WR to throw to... Regardless of who your throwing targets are, a QB still has to process pre and post snap information rapidly and quickly to get the ball out on time and accurately. No boxscore or stat line examination will tell you any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Regardless of who your throwing targets are, a QB still has to process pre and post snap information rapidly and quickly to get the ball out on time and accurately. No boxscore or stat line examination will tell you any of that. How was his processing when he threw 2 pick 6's in the first quarter last game? Peterman like? Edited October 20, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Regardless of who your throwing targets are, a QB still has to process pre and post snap information rapidly and quickly to get the ball out on time and accurately. No boxscore or stat line examination will tell you any of that. You realize that Rosen is staring-down his receiver the entire play, right? Meaning he's not doing anything other than going with his first read. About the best I can say is that the throw was right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: You realize that Rosen is staring-down his receiver the entire time, right? No I don't and he isn't. Sometimes he does and other times he does not. He still has things to improve upon, just like any other rookie. Edited October 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No I don't and he isn't. Sometimes he does and other times he does not. He still has things to improve upon, just like any other rookie. I meant on that movethesticks play above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Doc said: I meant on that movethesticks play above. Yeah. That will happen. Helluva throw nonetheless. 16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: When Allen has a game where he demonstrates this level of QB play, I'll say he's better. He has the physical attributes to be, but has not put that together with the mental aspects thus far to have even a single game as good as Rosen's debut as a starter. None of these rookie QBs are finished products, so we're talking about where they are now with no one knowing how things will ultimately stand. The All-22: Beyond the Numbers Cardinals rookie quarterback Josh Rosen, fresh off his first NFL start in a 20-17 loss to the Seahawks, could certainly relate. Rosen had decent stats on the day—he completed 15 of 27 passes for 180 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions—but in no way do those quiet numbers represent how Rosen actually played against one of the NFL’s better defenses. In truth, had Rosen’s receivers met him anywhere near halfway, not only would his numbers have been far better, but the Cardinals—whose offense was dormant in the season’s first 2 ½ games before the decision was made to replace Sam Bradford—probably would have won this game. Instead, Rosen was mysteriously bedeviled by drop after drop on passes that not only should have been caught, but also showed the attributes that make Rosen the most talented quarterback in this draft class. When I reviewed Rosen’s UCLA tape, I saw a passer with the ability to move in the pocket, the toughness to make throws with defenders all around him, and the arm to make just about any throw accurately. He showed all of those things against Seattle, but the numbers didn’t match up because his targets—including future Hall-of-Famer Larry Fitzgerald—had an epic case of Bad Hands throughout the game. What was most impressive and important about this is the way Rosen handled it. He didn’t get flustered, he didn’t veer off the plan; he simply kept making great throw after great throw. It took a while for that approach to pay off—Rosen threw his first NFL touchdown pass with 8:59 left in the game—but the overall performance had to be encouraging for an offense that had done nothing before Rosen arrived to spark things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Regardless of who your throwing targets are, a QB still has to process pre and post snap information rapidly and quickly to get the ball out on time and accurately. No boxscore or stat line examination will tell you any of that. Funny how even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers look like mere mortals when their #1 WR's went down for extended periods of time in their careers. Not saying Allen isn't hurting himself many times, he is, but we have the worst supporting cast in the NFL by a mile. Edited October 20, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Funny how even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers look like mere mortals when their #1 WR's went down for extended periods of time in their careers. Not saying Allen isn't hurting himself many times, he is, but we have the worst supporting cast in the NFL by a mile. That has to get fixed next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, no name said: seems someone is pretty obsessed with that rosen kid here. poor fella, the bills didn't pick him so he lives with a futile obsession over his boy... Seems like a combination of a spamming campaign & a crusade. I thought those things weren't allowed here. Guess I was wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: To the contrary, his 1st game was very good. First off, using the term “very good” about his first game is comical and comes across as trying to force a narrative. But even if you want to stick to that rather exaggerated narrative, that means he peaked game 1 and been worse and worse each week to the point he got his OC fired and only Peterman had a worse game. So so if you consider 180 yards, 1 TD “very good” then fine, but the fact remains that was his “best game” and he’s been worse every game since week 1 and he wasn’t that good in week 1 in the first place. Edited October 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Cripple Creek said: Seems like a combination of a spamming campaign & a crusade. I thought those things weren't allowed here. Guess I was wrong. well, some must feel they're special and can crusade another teams QB and who is obviously strangely obsessed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) Christian Kirk/Larry Fitz aren’t good Arizona’s starting guards are really good. Byron Leftwich is really really good. Allen and Rosen’s similar stats aren’t similar. What else is there to know about the Cardinals ? Is David Johnson is a bum yet ? Edited October 20, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: First off, using the term “very good” about his first game is comical and comes across as trying to force a narrative. But even if you want to stick to that rather exaggerated narrative, that means he peaked game 1 and been worse and worse each week to the point he got his OC fired and only Peterman had a worse game. So so if you consider 180 yards, 1 TD “very good” then fine, but the fact remains that was his “best game” and he’s been worse every game since week 1 and he wasn’t that good in week 1 j. The first place. Boxscore scouting again. Look at the actual game and the throws that were made in post after post in this thread. Edited October 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Boxscore scouting again. Look at the actual game and the throws that were made in post after post in this thread. Josh allen made two of dazzling throws in the last game escaping a sack and getting it to shady all the way across his body and then a third to Benjamin on the injury, a few throws dont make it a very good game. 180 and 1 td isnt a very good game. He might have a few very good throws that doesnt make it a very good game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Bill_with_it said: Josh allen made two of dazzling throws in the last game escaping a sack and getting it to shady all the way across his body and then a third to Benjamin on the injury, a few throws dont make it a very good game. 180 and 1 td isnt a very good game. He might have a few very good throws that doesnt make it a very good game. You obviously didn't watch. Another late comer to the thread since Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Meh.. both Allen and Rosen have a long way to go .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 the defense of another teams rookie QB is probably a worse obsession then jeffmagics over his boy mahomes. I think its funny to watch a member squirm in envy and obsess over the arizona cardinals rookie QB, real funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You obviously didn't watch. Another late comer to the thread since Thursday. No i watched the gamed. Doesnt matter when I came to the thread. A handfull of good throws and 180/1 isnt a very good game doesnt matter how much you crusade it. Yeah they had a big drop. Every qb has wrs that misses drops passes including our very own team. The cardinals defense gave that offense every opportunity to win and ultimately a Rosen led offense couldnt do it. The hawks went 0/10 on third downs. Look I dont know what your attempting to do but. That wasnt a very good game by Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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