Tyrod Taylor finally unleashed in a "competent offense with weapons."

[reddogblitz]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Starbucks??  Who the hell goes there.  

 

(Besides the Champions of Tyrod)

 

 

I don't but evidenlty a lot of people do.  there's one on every corner.  By my house there's 2 about 100 yards apart.

 

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

For crissakes. If Josh Allen still looks like Taylor in his 8th year in the league, you’ll have a legit reason to gripe about it. 

 

Like most TBDers, I'll gripe as I see fit.  Or are you the new TBD legit gripe monitor?

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't but evidenlty a lot of people do.  there's one on every corner.  By my house there's 2 about 100 yards apart.

 

 

Like most TBDers, I'll gripe as I see fit.  Or are you the new TBD legit gripe monitor?

Far be it from me to be anyone’s gripe nazi so have at it.

 

But some gripes are more legit than others and comparing a rookie with a game and a half under his belt in his rookie year to a veteran of eight years and 60 games is absurd. 

[Foxx]

33 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

.... so the guy has to win without a kicker too?  Had he been able to take Haushka with him to Cleveland with him, they would be 2-0 right now.

shoulda/woulda/coulda

 

can we just leave delusions behind and deal with reality please.

[reddogblitz]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Far be it from me to be anyone’s gripe nazi so have at it.

 

But some gripes are more legit than others and comparing a rookie with a game and a half under his belt in his rookie year to a veteran of eight years and 60 games is absurd. 

 

Who determines if they "are more legit" or not?  You?

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

shoulda/woulda/coulda

 

can we just leave delusions behind and deal with reality please.

 

You're the one that brought up this nonsense about a guy that doesn' t even play for us anymore, not me.  Maybe follow your own advice?

 

Just curious.  Was the Packer tie Sunday Rodgers' fault?

Edited September 18, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

... You're the one that brought up this nonsense about a guy that doesn' t even play for us anymore, not me.  Maybe follow your own advice?

wot? #fakenews

 

please provide evidence to support your claim. i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Foxx

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Who determines if they "are more legit" or not?  You?

 

You're the one that brought up this nonsense about a guy that doesn' t even play for us anymore, not me.  Maybe follow your own advice?

No need for me or anyone else to make the determination when it’s entirely self evident. Maybe “legit” is too kind a word, though.  But hey, if you’re comfortable with it, good for you. 

[MAJBobby]

https://youtu.be/EJ5-Q69gQ6U

 

Browns Fans Speak about TT

[reddogblitz]

Just now, K-9 said:

No need for me or anyone else to make the determination when it’s entirely self evident. Maybe “legit” is too kind a word, though.  But hey, if you’re comfortable with it, good for you. 

 

Self evident to who?  You?

[K-9]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

Self evident to who?  You?

Maybe you should pose the question in a poll. If you need help constructing the question, let me know. 

 

In the meantime, your persecution act looks almost as absurd as your comparison between a rookie with 1.5 games under his belt and an eight year veteran with 60.

[reddogblitz]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Maybe you should pose the question in a poll. If you need help constructing the question, let me know. 

 

In the meantime, your persecution act looks almost as absurd as your comparison between a rookie with 1.5 games under his belt and an eight year veteran with 60.

 

I'm just trying to make a point.  and that is opinions are like a$$holes.  Everyone has one and they all stink.

 

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean you should to be condescending to them.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

https://youtu.be/EJ5-Q69gQ6U

 

Browns Fans Speak about TT

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

Edited September 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Foxx]

34 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Who determines if they "are more legit" or not?  You?

 

You're the one that brought up this nonsense about a guy that doesn' t even play for us anymore, not me.  Maybe follow your own advice?

 

Just curious.  Was the Packer tie Sunday Rodgers' fault?

i see you edited your post to include the last sentance.

 

what has this got to do with shineola? what Rodgers and what Taylor do can not even be remotely compared and besides, i'll say yet again, quit trying to work delusions into the narrative. shoulda/woulda/couldas are futile and have no bearing on what actually happened. 

 

29 minutes ago, Foxx said:

wot? #fakenews

 

please provide evidence to support your claim. i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

yeah, i didn't think you would respond.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Foxx

[BillsFan692]

Tyrod QB rating is very low this year i dont understand the post? Is it supposed to be sarcasm?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

see you edited your post to include the last sentance.

 

Not for nothing but I often post then follow up with a second thought which gets merged with the first and often someone will post before my second thought gets posted. 

Just now, BillsFan692 said:

Tyrod QB rating is very low this year i dont understand the post? Is it supposed to be sarcasm?

Sarcasm or pure trolling 

[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Not for nothing but I often post then follow up with a second thought which gets merged with the first and often someone will post before my second thought gets posted. 

Sarcasm or pure trolling 

sure. i wasn't commenting on anything other than i didn't address it originally, so i responded again to address the addendum. just wanted to point out that it wasn't there originally.

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Foxx said:

i see you edited your post to include the last sentance.

 

what has this got to do with shineola? what Rodgers and what Taylor do can not even be remotely compared and besides, i'll say yet again, quit trying to work delusions into the narrative. shoulda/woulda/couldas are futile and have no bearing on what actually happened. 

 

So for one QB, if the team gets a tie because his FG kicker missed a FG it is the QBs fault for not getting it done,. But for a different QB, that is not the case? 

 

On the other thing I did check but it was a comment by Red Lion, not you. I apologize.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

sure. i wasn't commenting on anything other than i didn't address it originally, so i responded again to address the addendum. just wanted to point out that it wasn't there originally.

I hear ya.  Just stuck my nose in there.  ? and it’s big.  Lol

[SouthNYfan]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

Yeah, but an 80 sack pace after two weeks? Is he staying in the pocket more? I honestly don’t know.

 

No 

He is just getting more passing plays called so his sack total will rise since the sack% stays the same

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

I do this a lot as well.

 

Me too

[K-9]

17 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

[Foxx]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

So for one QB, if the team gets a tie because his FG kicker missed a FG it is the QBs fault for not getting it done,. But for a different QB, that is not the case?  ...

 

when it comes to certain qb's, yes. Rodgers is a franchise QB, quite possibly the best in the league. sure he could be the reason in some games but he sure as hell wasn't in the Vikings game. i'm not trying to be mean here but if you can't see that, i am sorry, there is nothing i would be able to say to you that would make you understand that. you either get it or you don't.

 

... On the other thing I did check but it was a comment by Red Lion, not you. I apologize.

no worries, it happens. thank you for addressing that and clearing it up though.

[Teddy KGB]

4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

They've played the Steelers and the Saints and they have a better record than us... Maybe it's time to move on.

 

That defense is LEGIT.      Bring in the Baker to get those dubs ! 

3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I mean.. he is doing better than last year. Is that not true? He's missed kicks away from being 2-0

 

221 ypg > 56 ypg.      He’s on fire ! 

 

Upgraded from “suck” to “poor” 

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

That defense is LEGIT.      Bring in the Baker to get those dubs ! 

 

Should be legit with all the top draft picks on it ??

Edited September 18, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Foxx said:

when it comes to certain qb's, yes. Rodgers is a franchise QB, quite possibly the best in the league. sure he could be the reason in some games but he sure as hell wasn't in the Vikings game. i'm not trying to be mean here but if you can't see that, i am sorry, there is nothing i would be able to say to you that would make you understand that. you either get it or you don't.

 

I can absolutely say that Rodgers is a far superior QB.  No doubt.  But blaming one QB for getting in FG range and the kicker missing it and the other gets a pass seems inconsistent to me.

 

Would seem to be consistent to me to either say

 

A) It's not Hotrod's fault the dude missed the kick nor is Aaron's.

 

-or-

 

B) Hotrod blew it and so did Aaron (on this any given Sunday).

 

That's my point.

 

i'm not trying to be mean here but if you can't see that, i am sorry, there is nothing i would be able to say to you that would make you understand that. you either get it or you don't.

 

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, Mark80 said:

Couldn't win a game where his defense gave him 6 turnovers to work with.  That's embarrassing.

 

Hes still terrible as ever.    You would think any qb not named Tyrod would have won the Playoff game (only needing 10 pts)

[RocCityRoller]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

Yeah, but an 80 sack pace after two weeks? Is he staying in the pocket more? I honestly don’t know.

 

Aiming for Carr's record of 70 something.

[K-9]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

Aiming for Carr's record of 70 something.

That's the last thing I'd want for TT. I'm rooting for the guy. I was just wondering if the high number after two games was because he's staying in the pocket and getting sacked or if he's getting caught behind the line of scrimmage on scrambles. But man, Carr got beaten like a rented mule his rookie year. 

[RocCityRoller]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That's the last thing I'd want for TT. I'm rooting for the guy. I was just wondering if the high number after two games was because he's staying in the pocket and getting sacked or if he's getting caught behind the line of scrimmage on scrambles. But man, Carr got beaten like a rented mule his rookie year. 

 

I don't want TT  hurt, I liked him while he was here. But he walks into sacks on his own.

 

Seeing a lot of bad OLine play this year. Seattle almost made Buffalo's O-line look passable last night. Putrid O-line play across the NFL.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I got to be pleasantly surprised with the positives I saw out of Josh Allen instead of watching Tyrod tragically piss away 6 forced TOs to a tie game.

 

Wasn't even really a question of Josh Allen or Tyrod.

 

It was Nathan Peterman or Tyrod.

 

It's relatively clear now that Beane and McDermott's "plan" was to have Allen sit on the bench and learn for a while.  The problem is they fell victim to foolishly believing that Tyrod's "veteran presence" could be so easily replaced that they waited for the scraps of the QBs in vet FA to get AJ McCarron.

 

And then McCarron couldn't beat out or even really play up to the level of a rookie and a 2nd year pick-machine.

 

 

This very much is the same type of situation we had with Fitz.  We didn't have to get rid of Fitz just like we didn't have to get rid of Taylor.  But for both situations, the regimes of that time falsely viewed both Fitz and Taylor as easily replaceable.

 

NFL starting QBs just are NOT easy to come by.  And like Taylor or not, he's an NFL starting QB.  Just like Fitz was and is.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but it's pretty evident at this point that McDermott and Beane are regretting trading Taylor when they still would have had enough ammunition to trade up to get Allen at #7 in the draft.

 

 

Now, personally I'm very happy with Allen as our starter over the idea of keeping Taylor and letting Allen ride the pine, but I also think that rookie QBs have no reason NOT to be on the field starting right away if you're willing to draft them in the top 10.  The rules of the NFL are now so QB friendly that I think the David Carr effect is incredibly unlikely for QBs with that genuinely Elite potential worthy of spending a top 10 draft choice.

 

I agree with you.  I'd rather see Allen on the field now with the Bills than Taylor.

 

But that doesn't change the fact now it's clear that this was never remotely the plan and if McDermott and Beane could rewind time knowing the outcome of all events up to now and NOT trade Taylor while still drafting a QB high in the 1st, that's what they would have done.

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I don't want TT  hurt, I liked him while he was here. But he walks into sacks on his own.

 

Seeing a lot of bad OLine play this year. Seattle almost made Buffalo's O-line look passable last night. Putrid O-line play across the NFL.

Good points, all. 

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Wasn't even really a question of Josh Allen or Tyrod.

 

It was Nathan Peterman or Tyrod.

 

It's relatively clear now that Beane and McDermott's "plan" was to have Allen sit on the bench and learn for a while.  The problem is they fell victim to foolishly believing that Tyrod's "veteran presence" could be so easily replaced that they waited for the scraps of the QBs in vet FA to get AJ McCarron.

 

And then McCarron couldn't beat out or even really play up to the level of a rookie and a 2nd year pick-machine.

 

 

This very much is the same type of situation we had with Fitz.  We didn't have to get rid of Fitz just like we didn't have to get rid of Taylor.  But for both situations, the regimes of that time falsely viewed both Fitz and Taylor as easily replaceable.

 

NFL starting QBs just are NOT easy to come by.  And like Taylor or not, he's an NFL starting QB.  Just like Fitz was and is.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but it's pretty evident at this point that McDermott and Beane are regretting trading Taylor when they still would have had enough ammunition to trade up to get Allen at #7 in the draft.

 

 

Now, personally I'm very happy with Allen as our starter over the idea of keeping Taylor and letting Allen ride the pine, but I also think that rookie QBs have no reason NOT to be on the field starting right away if you're willing to draft them in the top 10.  The rules of the NFL are now so QB friendly that I think the David Carr effect is incredibly unlikely for QBs with that genuinely Elite potential worthy of spending a top 10 draft choice.

 

I agree with you.  I'd rather see Allen on the field now with the Bills than Taylor.

 

But that doesn't change the fact now it's clear that this was never remotely the plan and if McDermott and Beane could rewind time knowing the outcome of all events up to now and NOT trade Taylor while still drafting a QB high in the 1st, that's what they would have done.

I don’t care if it was the plan or not. I’m glad TT is gone. A third round pick AND I don’t have to watch him? Is it Christmas?

[SouthNYfan]

12 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I don’t care if it was the plan or not. I’m glad TT is gone. A third round pick AND I don’t have to watch him? Is it Christmas?

 

And $7.6 mil in dead cap space this year

Still well worth it

Good riddance

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

221 ypg > 56 ypg.      He’s on fire ! 

 

Upgraded from “suck” to “poor” 

ypg doesn't mean yards per 2017 Saints game haha. I don't give a flying **** about Tyrod. He upgraded from suck to poor that's what I said. Great conversation all around 

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

ypg doesn't mean yards per 2017 Saints game haha. I don't give a flying **** about Tyrod. He upgraded from suck to poor that's what I said. Great conversation all around 

 

Fitz hung 20,000 yards on the Saints the week before.  

 

Tyrod hovered around 100 all day and made a few lucky plays at the end to end up with a whopping 240 yards ???. 

 

Hes still garbage.    It’s still all lol’s at the Tyrod lovers of tsw.        

 

If his week 1 Browns debacle happened here after the debacle in Jacksonville he would be benched again.  

 

6 turnovers and can’t win ?????

 

hot ?????

 

Edited September 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Fitz hung 20,000 yards on the Saints the week before.  

 

Tyrod hovered around 100 all day and made a few lucky plays at the end to end up with a whopping 240 yards ???. 

 

Hes still garbage.    It’s still all lol’s at the Tyrod lovers of tsw.        

 

If his week 1 Browns debacle happened here after the debacle in Jacksonville he would be benched again.  

 

6 turnovers and can’t win ?????

 

hot ?????

Ok.. you're right lmao

[Big Gun]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

https://youtu.be/EJ5-Q69gQ6U

 

Browns Fans Speak about TT

That was quick, 2 games. Lol

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, pop gun said:

That was quick, 2 games. Lol

 

Ahaha that guys smarter than many bills fans. Only took him two games to figure it out

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

I don’t care if it was the plan or not. I’m glad TT is gone. A third round pick AND I don’t have to watch him? Is it Christmas?

 

We know you are.

 

Keep screaming it to the world like a juvenile about a player who really has nothing to do with you or us anymore.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

[Teddy KGB]

31 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Ahaha that guys smarter than many bills fans. Only took him two games to figure it out

 

That damn 4th and 5 Hail Mary gonna cost those poor Browns fans and Browns defense to sit through another Taylor start.   

 

I’d set the Tyrod bench line at week 5.5 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

And who wouldn't want a QB who can put the team in a position to lose based on a kick, right?

 

Um....well, we kind of think a lot of Kelly in these parts, usually