BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Great comments from Joe B. He does a great job putting things into perspective and has been echoing what many of us have been saying for a while. Read the comments in bold https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-buffalo-bills-los-angeles-chargers-9_16_18 Quote Well here we are, in the spot that many thought the Bills would have been in for the 2017 season -- just one year later. The Bills are seemingly all in on 2018 being a rebuilding effort, using rhetoric like "nobody said it was going to be pretty," and "we're a work in progress." From a long-term rebuilding perspective, it has been something that has long been overdue from the franchise -- but one that needs to happen correctly with the moves that they make to rebuild that roster. The time to get experience to the young players is here, in the hopes that things start to click as the season progresses. The same goes for the long-term free agent signings the Bills have made, in the hope that they are a part of the solution for 2019 and 2020. Not every fan will be onboard for such an, at times, miserable season for the sake of long-term growth, but all that matters, in the end, is that they nail it with the core players that they've identified. Those fans out there that are starting to get the urge to want Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane canned, I've got bad news. They aren't going anywhere. They are as safe as can be and have delivered on every promise they've made to ownership to this point. They have time on their side and the understanding from Terry and Kim Pegula that 2018 likely wasn't going to be a pretty one. This type of season is what the Bills signed up for when they changed the entire building of staff, so this is going according to plan. Whether or not it works remains to be seen, but the broader point to understand is that they knew this was coming. Now, it's a matter of finding those small gains that can turn into long-term solutions. In the end, that's what 2018 is all about. Edited September 17, 2018 by BuffaloRush 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Then Why is Ducasse playing? Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? This is the latest spin after they have been embarassed for two weeks. So what happened to win now win in the future did that go out the door with 47-3? 13 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If that is the case, then the good news is that when they head into the offseason, they will (hopefully) have a potential franchise QB in the fold and locked up for the next four years. That is a lot different than trying to rebuild without knowing what you have at QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your brain broke Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Where has anyone (ownership,Bean McDermott) come out and said they expected this or are that it's all part of their "process"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I hope it works, and I will support them all the way...but this is basically the line we were sold with the Sabres a few years ago, but the GM proved much more adept at taring down what was there and acquiring future assetts, than he was at re-building...so we were treated to an extended period of some of the most miserable seasons in Sabres franchise history...lets just hope McDermot and Beane know how to re-build an NFL team, better than Tim Murray did and NHL team. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Fine and dandy, but stop making mistakes like trading McCarron before you're convinced your designated starter has progressed from his disastrous rookie season, especially since his back-up is nothing more than a raw rookie you'd like to bring along slowly and not see debilitated since he has a very "offensive" line in front of him. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I’m okay with it. Allen is giving me some hope. If they can put some focus on the o line in the offseason and get a true #1 receiver, we’ll be in business. Tough wait ahead, though. I look forward all year to the start of the season, and by halftime today it was basically over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Then Why is Ducasse playing? Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? This is the latest spin after they have been embarassed for two weeks. So what happened to win now win in the future did that go out the door with 47-3? If you read the article, he touches on some of this. Pretty sure I can answer a few of these questions: Then Why is Ducasse playing? He is one of the best lineman on the team. Watch Wyatt Teller in the preseason Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? My guess is because Coleman didn't show very much in the preseason. Holmes was kept because he's a veteran and plays ST's better than Reilly. No idea why Kerley was released. Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? They are the best RT's on the team Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? How much can you really get for a 30 year-old RB? Price might go up if a playoff contender loses a RB. Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? Such as???? Only name I can think about is Trent Murphy and his contract has some out clauses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Then Why is Ducasse playing? Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? This is the latest spin after they have been embarassed for two weeks. So what happened to win now win in the future did that go out the door with 47-3? I ask: Why is John Miller still here? Why is Shaq Lawson still here? Why is Jim Overdorf still here? Why is Chris Brown still here? Why is John Murphy still here? Why is the statue of Ralph Wilson still standing? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Your brain broke said: Where has anyone (ownership,Bean McDermott) come out and said they expected this or are that it's all part of their "process"? They haven't...it's speculation from the media who does talk to players/coaches/personnel off the record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Then Why is Ducasse playing? Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? This is the latest spin after they have been embarassed for two weeks. So what happened to win now win in the future did that go out the door with 47-3? Bobby many people on this board have debated this endlessly. Our O line is what it is because we have no one behind Mills and co except Teller who isn't ready yet. Coleman sucked as it turned out, and Reilly just wasnt that good. He doesn't even have a job. McCoy wasn't traded because we needed SOME semblance of offense, which is also why we "spent" cap space on rentals like Gaines and Davis. This year is a rebuilding year and it has been since the draft. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: If you read the article, he touches on some of this. Pretty sure I can answer a few of these questions: Then Why is Ducasse playing? He is one of the best lineman on the team. Watch Wyatt Teller in the preseason Ha ha ha. Just now, BuffaloRush said: Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? My guess is because Coleman didn't show very much in the preseason. Holmes was kept because he's a veteran and plays ST's better than Reilly. No idea why Kerley was released. So NOTHING to do with youth and rebuild like the new propaganda Just now, BuffaloRush said: Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? They are the best RT's on the team Again nothing to do with this experience Propaganda while career inactive McDermott get zero reps Just now, BuffaloRush said: Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? How much can you really get for a 30 year-old RB? Price might go up if a playoff contender loses a RB. Value. But hey your right it isnt a youth movement just the latest spin after getting smoked week 1 Just now, BuffaloRush said: Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? Such as???? Only name I can think about is Trent Murphy and his contract has some out clauses. Star, Vonte, Woods Extension Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Yea because Joe B has inside info. Terrible piece. What was "long overdue"? Trading away young talented players for draft picks and replacing them with trash? We have no young players Joe.... due to the new regime. It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team. Why is this so hard to understand? It does if you want long success. Look at the Seahawks as opposed to Philly's "dream team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFL Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Success said: I’m okay with it. Allen is giving me some hope. If they can put some focus on the o line in the offseason and get a true #1 receiver, we’ll be in business. Tough wait ahead, though. I look forward all year to the start of the season, and by halftime today it was basically over. The brass needs to totally concentrate on OL and DL......enough with this get any big guy mentality..... I even saw bs like that posted on this site during the run up to the draft. Without a good OL and DL you have nothing, and it doesn’t even matter who your QB or WR are. Edited September 17, 2018 by RFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: If you read the article, he touches on some of this. Pretty sure I can answer a few of these questions: Then Why is Ducasse playing? He is one of the best lineman on the team. Watch Wyatt Teller in the preseason Why did Holmes and Kerley make the team NOT Coleman and Reiley? My guess is because Coleman didn't show very much in the preseason. Holmes was kept because he's a veteran and plays ST's better than Reilly. No idea why Kerley was released. Why is Mills and or Newhouse playing? They are the best RT's on the team Why wasnt McCoy Dealt? How much can you really get for a 30 year-old RB? Price might go up if a playoff contender loses a RB. Why was cap space used on players that wont be here when rebuild over? Such as???? Only name I can think about is Trent Murphy and his contract has some out clauses. Actually Wyatt Teller looked pretty darn good in pre season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Right now. As soon as **** hits the fan. Then McDermott starts spewing lies in the post game. What are you going to do when this pays off and we have constant success? Wither away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Bobby many people on this board have debated this endlessly. Our O line is what it is because we have no one behind Mills and co except Teller who isn't ready yet. Coleman sucked as it turned out, and Reilly just wasnt that good. He doesn't even have a job. But youth movement they expected to be bad is the newest spin so wouldnt the youth WRs of Coleman and Reilly to see if there is something there fit this reported expectation? 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: McCoy wasn't traded because we needed SOME semblance of offense, which is also why we "spent" cap space on rentals like Gaines and Davis. So It isnt the youth movement as recently talked about. 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: This year is a rebuilding year and it has been since the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: The Seahawks? What about them? They were mediocre for a couple years before taking off. The complete opposite of what the Bills are doing at the moment. Yeah, thats my point. They took a couple years to build talent. Which is what we are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, RFL said: The brass needs to totally concentrate on OL and DL......enough with this get any big guy mentality..... I even saw bs like that posted on this site during the run up to the draft. Without a good OL and DL you have nothing, and it doesn’t even matter who your QB or WR are. It’s a cliche, but it really is all about the trenches. It’s really too bad what happened with Richie and Wood. The line would at least be average if they were still here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: It does if you want long success. Look at the Seahawks as opposed to Philly's "dream team" Lonh success what have the Seahawks done had a couple year run??? Philly going to be good for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: But youth movement they expected to be bad is the newest spin so wouldnt the youth WRs of Coleman and Reilly to see if there is something there fit this reported expectation? So It isnt the youth movement as recently talked about. Again, I don't think Reilly was as good as everyone thought. I thought Dez Lewis was going to be a boss. He wasn't. Just now, MAJBobby said: Lonh success what have the Seahawks done had a couple year run??? Philly going to be good for a long time I mean Chip Kellys dream team. And the Hawks had a solid 6-7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Lonh success what have the Seahawks done had a couple year run??? Philly going to be good for a long time Lohn success? Not familiar with that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Great comments from Joe B. He does a great job putting things into perspective and has been echoing what many of us have been saying for a while. Read the comments in bold https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-buffalo-bills-los-angeles-chargers-9_16_18 I know they are safe and are rebuilding just disagree with the timing. last year should have been a total housing cleaning and then be in a better position this year and with talent around Allen so he can make better progress instead of running for his life. But that is water under the bridge and hope we can make small gains while getting the top pick, GO BILLS !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Actually Wyatt Teller looked pretty darn good in pre season Yeah maybe. Joe makes the case for him to start over John Miller (Doug Whaley draft pick). At this point, I would be fine with shaking the line up. If McDermott could play, I'd be cool with giving him some time as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If 2018 is in the tank... trade McCoy... let him finish his career with a contender... and get some value for him while we can... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: I know they are safe and are rebuilding just disagree with the timing. last year should have been a total housing cleaning and then be in a better position this year and with talent around Allen so he can make better progress instead of running for his life. But that is water under the bridge and hope we can make small gains while getting the top pick, GO BILLS !!! Yeah I know what you mean, I think they were kind of caught off-guard by their success. They just had a lot of good bounces and when they were 5-2, they went all-in to end The Drought which they did. Problem is, they never really had a good young nucleus and no answer at QB. That's why were are getting this 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: Yeah maybe. Joe makes the case for him to start over John Miller (Doug Whaley draft pick). At this point, I would be fine with shaking the line up. If McDermott could play, I'd be cool with giving him some time as well This is one of the honest things I cannot agree with the coaches on...... Wyatt Teller missed some assignments in pre season.....but on a consistant play to play basis he was flat mauling people especially in the run game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Again, I don't think Reilly was as good as everyone thought. I thought Dez Lewis was going to be a boss. He wasn't. I mean Chip Kellys dream team. And the Hawks had a solid 6-7 years I dont think he wasnt that great either. However if this youth movement was really expected and everything like the recent spin Him and Coleman fit that expectation over Holmes and Kerley. instead it sure smells like this your movement and growth year talk is damage control for building a crap old roster. Ooo speaking youth movement if it was really the expectation why are we one of the oldest rosters? Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Believer said: If 2018 is in the tank... trade McCoy... let him finish his career with a contender... and get some value for him while we can... How much do you think teams will give up for a 30 year old RB? Last time I heard anyone with knowledge speak on it, it was about 6th round pick AT BEST Just now, John from Riverside said: This is one of the honest things I cannot agree with the coaches on...... Wyatt Teller missed some assignments in pre season.....but on a consistant play to play basis he was flat mauling people especially in the run game They have to do something....the OL is dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I dont think he wasnt that great either. However if this youth movement was really expected and everything like the recent spin Him and Coleman fit that expectation over Holmes and Kerley. Keeping junk players just because they're "young" is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Getting what exactly? Again, they dumped GOOD young players for what reason? The process? The !@#$ does that mean? Don't be so negative. Also which GOOD young players did they dump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: How much do you think teams will give up for a 30 year old RB? Last time I heard anyone with knowledge speak on it, it was about 6th round pick AT BEST They have to do something....the OL is dreadful Then fine take the 6th round pick alot of OL come from those areas in the draft. Heck even RBs are coming from later rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: How much do you think teams will give up for a 30 year old RB? Last time I heard anyone with knowledge speak on it, it was about 6th round pick AT BEST They have to do something....the OL is dreadful praying that we get OT Jonah Williams if we don't get Bosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Keeping junk players just because they're "young" is silly. They gave you JUST AS much as Kerley (gone) Holmes (Cant Catch) 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Don't be so negative. Also which GOOD young players did they dump? Watkins, Goodwin, Hogan, Woods, Darby, Gilmore, Glenn Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Then fine take the 6th round pick alot of OL come from those areas in the draft. Heck even RBs are coming from later rounds Trade deadline is not over yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Why would you bring back Kyle Williams? Or keep Shady? How does the defense taking massive steps in the wrong direction, despite no major subtractions help the long term gain? How is the Oline helping anything long term? You have younger guys on the bench and useless veteran turnstiles in the starting lineup? None of this makes and sense to me. Only playing Allen and Edmunds. That’s the only thing that I can see with the long term goal in mind. And they are not what has been concerning. This is some bull **** controlled message here. Nothing about this needs to happen. Getting completely blown off the ball on both sides is not a step in a rebuild. If it’s about the future, get Kyle out and Phillips in. Trade clay. Get both of the terrible guards out and get Teller in. Put bodine in at center and play Groy at Guard. Get Holmes out and play Foster and McCloud. If you are doing it, then do it. If you are getting your asses kicked and now you are reaching for an excuse, save it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: Trade deadline is not over yet... But this was expected. This youth and growth why wasnt it done in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Don't be so negative. Also which GOOD young players did they dump? Darby is good and trading Dareus for a 5th was crime. They should have kept them and traded Tyrod and McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why would you bring back Kyle Williams? Or keep Shady? How does the defense taking massive steps in the wrong direction, despite no major subtractions help the long term gain? How is the Oline helping anything long term? You have younger guys on the bench and useless veteran turnstiles in the starting lineup? None of this makes and sense to me. Only playing Allen and Edmunds. That’s the only thing that I can see with the long term goal in mind. And they are not what has been concerning. This is some bull **** controlled message here. Nothing about this needs to happen. Getting completely blown off the ball on both sides is not a step in a rebuild. If it’s about the future, get Kyle out and Phillips in. Trade clay. Get both of the terrible guards out and get Teller in. Put bodine in at center and play Groy at Guard. Get Holmes out and play Foster and McCloud. If you are doing it, then do it. If you are getting your asses kicked and now you are reaching for an excuse, save it. It is SPIN. For getting smoked. At No point in offseason did they play this like this was expected and going to happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Getting what exactly? Again, they dumped GOOD young players for what reason? The process? The !@#$ does that mean? They put a lot into 2 things: - putting together enough draft capital to land josh allen - cleaning up our cap spending It might actually be genius. They’re set up to have a huge draft next year, and pick up 3-4 impact free agents. The Yankees basically did the same thing a few years back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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