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14 minutes ago, BmarvB said:

He needs a veteran to help guide him, and Nate Peterman ain't it!

A veteran may not be a good coach, nor is it their job. 

 

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I will say one thing about Allen.  He doesn't get that deer in headlights happy feet stuff.  He doesn't even get the white faced pre-game puke face that Kelly used to get. So things are looking up I guess!

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21 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok I watched the Bills Yesterday and here is my impression on Allen:

 

1. Accuracy :  for me this was tough to judge, because of the drops (I think like 5?) and an O line that had him running for his life most of the day, and when he did have time I didn’t see many Bills receivers running wide open.

 

2. Toughness:  I define toughness as keep fighting no matter how bad it looks.  I think Allen showed a lot of this yesterday. Dislike being down 28-3 he kept fighting and never stopped.   Yes they lost but that will help him a lot when they finally have an O around him.

 

3. Overall Performance — Again hard judge because outside of McCoy I don’t see one player on that O that any D would be afraid to go 1 on 1 with.  I saw little separation from any WR and the O line acted like Matadors most of the game.

 

my overall opinion — I like Allen I think he will be at worse an average starting QB given the proper supporting cast and at best a top 6 or 7 QB.

 

so in other words this year may be tough to watch, but you have IMO the most important piece at QB and now need get an Oline and maybe a defense so he doesn’t have to do it all by himself.

Top 6 or 7 you say?

Brady

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

Big Ben

Rivers

Ryan

 

If he falls in to a category that falls within these guys you will not find any complaints from Bills fans.

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18 minutes ago, BmarvB said:

Who's going to guide Josh Allen, Nate Peterman? Really? Seriously??? 

Your thoughts?

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-brandon-beane/

 

Can't argue with that.  It is a serious problem.  The kid deserves better.  He shouldn't have to take it upon himself to call out the defense to play better as a rookie in his first start either.  Luckily, he seems to have the poise, backbone and leadership to take all this stuff upon himself and do it pretty gracefully in my opinion. 

 

I think Allen has shown himself very well so far, all things considered.

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1 minute ago, PeterDude said:

I will say one thing about Allen.  He doesn't get that deer in headlights happy feet stuff.  He doesn't even get the white faced pre-game puke face that Kelly used to get. So things are looking up I guess!

 

quick, someone come up with an analogue to "Trentative" for Allen

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1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said:

A veteran may not be a good coach, nor is it their job. 

 

But it is part of the learning process and most vets will take the young guy under their wing. I cringe when I saw the story on how Tyrod was helping Baker Mayfield.

I like Allen and Buffalo should afford him every opportunity to be successful.

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3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Top 6 or 7 you say?

Brady

Rodgers

Brees

Wilson

Big Ben

Rivers

Ryan

 

If he falls in to a category that falls within these guys you will not find any complaints from Bills fans.

4 of those guys may retire in the next couple years.

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2 minutes ago, VADC Bills said:

But it is part of the learning process and most vets will take the young guy under their wing. I cringe when I saw the story on how Tyrod was helping Baker Mayfield.

I like Allen and Buffalo should afford him every opportunity to be successful.

 

His best shot at being successful will be by surrounding him with talent, either along the line or with offensive playmakers, and creating a favorable scheme for his abilities. 

 

If Allen busts, it will not be because he didn't have a veteran QB to show him the way. 

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6 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

I will say one thing about Allen.  He doesn't get that deer in headlights happy feet stuff.  He doesn't even get the white faced pre-game puke face that Kelly used to get. So things are looking up I guess!

 

LOL, yeah i know exactly what you are talking about

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7 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

I will say one thing about Allen.  He doesn't get that deer in headlights happy feet stuff.  He doesn't even get the white faced pre-game puke face that Kelly used to get. So things are looking up I guess!

 

6 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

quick, someone come up with an analogue to "Trentative" for Allen

 

Josh All-in.

 

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10 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

A veteran may not be a good coach, nor is it their job. 

 

All true; however, when it does happen, and it clicks (e.g., Mahomes telling Peter King that Alex Smith's willingness to mentor/share his knowledge of what it takes to make it in the league being absolutely the foundation for Mahomes' blowing up so far this year) it absolutely gives the young pup a leg up as opposed to having to reinvent the wheel for himself through trial and error on the fly only.

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YE OLE was definitely against the Allen pick when it happened. Everything we heard about this guy was that he needed at least a year, if not 2 years, just to sit and learn. And even then, we were told he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. 

 

All of that said, for his first start in only the second game of his rookie year, he looked extremely competent. Based on what we were told about Allen before the draft, yesterday should’ve been a recipe for a real debacle from Allen. Despite all of his detractors, nobody really questioned his supreme physical talent. If he can look competent this early into his career with all of the nonsense going on with this offense, he has a chance to be very good.

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For the kid to be in the situation he has been forced into this year, he played really well. I was very impressed and honestly think we've FINALLY got our guy. 

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Having a vet to "guide" you is a myth. That is the coaching staff's Job. In some cases the vet is more detrimental to the rookie than he is helpful, because vets are often hostile towards the rookie who they are supposed to train to replace them. 

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13 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

I will say one thing about Allen.  He doesn't get that deer in headlights happy feet stuff.  He doesn't even get the white faced pre-game puke face that Kelly used to get. So things are looking up I guess!

Good point--Kelly himself said he could never get ready to start a game without tossing his cookies as a necessary "nerves" pregame ritual--I bet the only times he didn't do that were the last 3 of the SB's (played decent enough to have won XXV), lol.  

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More to the point - how about NOT letting him get sacked 5+ times a game????  2 were on him I left, 3 were LOOK OUT JOSH!  At some point the kid ain't gonna get up again.....

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43 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok I watched the Bills Yesterday and here is my impression on Allen:

 

1. Accuracy :  for me this was tough to judge, because of the drops (I think like 5?) and an O line that had him running for his life most of the day, and when he did have time I didn’t see many Bills receivers running wide open.

 

2. Toughness:  I define toughness as keep fighting no matter how bad it looks.  I think Allen showed a lot of this yesterday. Dislike being down 28-3 he kept fighting and never stopped.   Yes they lost but that will help him a lot when they finally have an O around him.

 

3. Overall Performance — Again hard judge because outside of McCoy I don’t see one player on that O that any D would be afraid to go 1 on 1 with.  I saw little separation from any WR and the O line acted like Matadors most of the game.

 

my overall opinion — I like Allen I think he will be at worse an average starting QB given the proper supporting cast and at best a top 6 or 7 QB.

 

so in other words this year may be tough to watch, but you have IMO the most important piece at QB and now need get an Oline and maybe a defense so he doesn’t have to do it all by himself.

#3  - there were a number of plays with guys wide open   I'd call that separation.  Josh needs to relax a bit and "not try to hard" (aka panic) to make a play. He's a rookie and that should develop with time. 

 

which also accounts for this - Josh needs to learn to throw the ball away to avoid the sack. 

 

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Maybe the more serious problem is the backup QB situation.  Josh is in a precarious position, taking lots of hits, not well protected at all and having to run for first downs more than anyone is comfortable with.  And still Peterman is the only alternative.  Something needs to be done about that.

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26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is where I am too. I'd give him about a 6.5/10 for yesterday and I pretty much agree with Coach Tuesday's list of positives and negatives. It was up and down, very mixed, but some good grounds for encouragement. The kid makes some sensational throws. He always did in college too. There are still too many throws that to quote McDermott "he'd want to have back" but look for a first start, against a decent team, on a bad offense that was promising. 

Ya 100 percent agreed  

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Here is my take on him after his first week.

 

Negatives:

 

1.  Pre Snap reads, they are not there yet, just having a horrible time seeing the blitz and adjusting from there.

2.  Touch - Needs to find some, not everything needs to be that Fast Ball. A touch pass to Clay doesn't get broken up in the seam.

3.  Learn to slide, though I do like the competitiveness

4.  processing time - Needs to get ball out faster.

5.  Mechanics / Accuracy - it seems he regressed a bit (which can be understandable) though I have more worries here with Culley stalling his progress he has made with Palmer

6.  Decisions made some very poor and rookie choices, however that is also because he was trying to make a play I think

 

Positives:

1.  Competitive and Leadership Qualities his going to the defense after the Ivory TD is what you want to see here.

2.  Better athlete than I though he was running the ball

3.  Arm is there, can make every throw

4.  Looked the part, like it wasn't too big for him ala Peterman

 

 

Overall it was a good week, not great but not bad.  Put it this way his play isn't going to be the bad story lines about this week.

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4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

All true; however, when it does happen, and it clicks (e.g., Mahomes telling Peter King that Alex Smith's willingness to mentor/share his knowledge of what it takes to make it in the league being absolutely the foundation for Mahomes' blowing up so far this year) it absolutely gives the young pup a leg up as opposed to having to reinvent the wheel for himself through trial and error on the fly only.

 

I'm sure it helped, but the KC situation is going to be damn near impossible to replicate. 

 

Mahomes got to sit an entire season behind a very competent veteran. He has a head coach with an extremely impressive resume of developing QBs and playcalling. He has top tier playmakers at WR, TE and RB. His OL is quite good. 

 

Right now, Allen has none of that. 

 

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