Trump Wants To Regulate Google

[Magox]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

On a poetic note: Apocalypse didn't originally mean destruction in the sense most assume. In it's most original meaning, it means a revelation on a mass scale. An awakening. 

 

Welcome.   

 

I just cancelled my NY times and WAPO subscription.  I'm done with it.

[Buffalo_Gal]

22 minutes ago, Magox said:

Wow!

 

This is out of hand.  They need to be brought in in front of Congress right now.

 

 

Why it matters?  Google has a lot of online control.  Most online advertising is either on Google or Facebook, and most ad revenue comes from running some form of google ads (adsense, either directly or through an ad management company).  They pay a publisher 68% of the revenue and they keep the rest. In 2018, that "rest" was $24.1B.

Either by blocking their ads, or blocking them as a publisher, Google has made a decision that is purely to suppress a different point of view. The outcome they hope for is to drive the Federalist out of business.
 

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Google's ban of the websites comes after the company was notified of research conducted by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a British nonprofit that combats online hate and misinformation. They found that 10 U.S-based websites have published what they say are racist articles about the protests, and projected that the websites would make millions of dollars through Google Ads.
 

Google blocked The Federalist from its advertising platform after the NBC News Verification Unit brought the project to its attention. ZeroHedge had already been demonetized prior to NBC News’ enquiry, Google said. ZeroHedge and The Federalist did not respond to requests for comment.
 

Imran Ahmed, CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, said it found advertisements for many companies that had otherwise made public statements supporting Black Lives Matter and the recent protests running on the websites.
 

“We found that lots of those companies are inadvertently funding through their advertising content that is outright racist in defense of white supremacism and contains conspiracy theories about George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement," he said.
 

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[Deranged Rhino]

Now Google is refuting NBC’s story, saying it has not deplatformed them, but instead warned them they could be if they don’t make changes. Google also clarified this was not about any articles published but about ... their comments section. 
 

NBC already trying to stealth edit. 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Btaylor74/status/1272980624345755648

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 

I just cancelled my NY times and WAPO subscription.  I'm done with it.

 

 

 

...uh oh...Bezos will cancel your Amazon Prime account...........

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

And people wonder why the average American knows little about real current events.


 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

I liked the comment telling them to never check the comments on youtube. Genuinely made me laugh.

 

[B-Man]

 

 

GOOGLE RHYMES WITH GULAG: 

 

Google bans two websites from its ad platform over protest articles: The two sites, ZeroHedge and The Federalist, will no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads.

 

That’s okay, there are several percent of the ad market that Google doesn’t control. Time for antitrust scrutiny. And since NBC prevailed on Google to demonetize two of its competitors, I think NBC should be investigated, too.

 

When two huge companies collude to cut out competitors, that looks like a conspiracy in restraint of trade, whatever the excuses given.

 

 

 

 

[GG]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

GOOGLE RHYMES WITH GULAG: 

 

Google bans two websites from its ad platform over protest articles: The two sites, ZeroHedge and The Federalist, will no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads.

 

That’s okay, there are several percent of the ad market that Google doesn’t control. Time for antitrust scrutiny. And since NBC prevailed on Google to demonetize two of its competitors, I think NBC should be investigated, too.

 

When two huge companies collude to cut out competitors, that looks like a conspiracy in restraint of trade, whatever the excuses given.

 

 

 

 

 

I doubt that the activist NBC reporter fully understood what she just did.  I'm guessing that she didn't vet her actions past Comcast's Gov't Affairs or Compliance.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

I doubt that the activist NBC reporter fully understood what she just did.  I'm guessing that she didn't vet her actions past Comcast's Gov't Affairs or Compliance.  

I wonder if she will still have a job at NBC? Oh, someone will hire her asap if they do can her, I just wonder if whatever this made up NBC thing is, if they can afford to keep her on?

Google does return adsense privileges to people. No, not to everyone, and no not the majority. However, it does happen and the process can take weeks, months, or years. A few hours? Ummm nopers.   In this case, they blamed it on comments (that is a first I have ever heard of something like that) and the Federalist capitulated and turned them off. I have no idea if the Federalist will bring comments back in a moderated form.

I am wondering if Vox, NBC, USA Today, NYT, etc will have their comments closely looked at, and their adsense accounts locked? I kid! I kid! That will never happen.

 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I wonder if she will still have a job at NBC? Oh, someone will hire her asap if they do can her, I just wonder if whatever this made up NBC thing is, if they can afford to keep her on?

Google does return adsense privileges to people. No, not to everyone, and no not the majority. However, it does happen and the process can take weeks, months, or years. A few hours? Ummm nopers.   In this case, they blamed it on comments (that is a first I have ever heard of something like that) and the Federalist capitulated and turned them off. I have no idea if the Federalist will bring comments back in a moderated form.

I am wondering if Vox, NBC, USA Today, NYT, etc will have their comments closely looked at, and their adsense accounts locked? I kid! I kid! That will never happen.

 

 

Too late, NBC exposed the industry to restraint of trade shenanigans.   If Google's policy is that comments must be moderated to receive ad revenue, the same standard has to apply to any other entity that receives AdSense.  Pyrrhic victory for NBC as they say.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, GG said:

 

Too late, NBC exposed the industry to restraint of trade shenanigans.   If Google's policy is that comments must be moderated to receive ad revenue, the same standard has to apply to any other entity that receives AdSense.  Pyrrhic victory for NBC as they say.

Youtube hardest hit.

[LeGOATski]

YouTube is under attack now? Damn.

 

There's a big difference between an open user-driven platform with comments that are hidden until the user opens them vs a private site with comments that are open while attached to the article....

 

Who really comments on a news site, anyway? BAN THEM ALL... ?

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

More at National Review, which notes that “The decision by Google comes after NBC News referred the company to complaints against The Federalist and the website ZeroHedge compiled by the U.K.-based Center for Countering Digital Hate:”  (sounds like the fraud SPLC)

 

 

The CCDH describes itself as “a not-for-profit NGO headquartered in London, England that seeks to disrupt the architecture of online hate and misinformation” that aims to counter “fringe movements that instrumentalise hate and misinformation.” A reporter from NBC’s “Verification Center” congratulated the CCDH and its subsidiary project “Stop Funding Fake News” on the action.

 

Their “About Us” page has quite the logo on it:

 

 

As Joe Gabriel Simonson of the Washington Examiner tweets, “I assume this logo with a flag historically connected to communism is a coincidence.”

 

 

 

NBC’s Adele-Momoko Fraser thanked CCDH and “Stop Funding Fake News” in a since-deleted tweet:

 

 

 

 

 

 

National Review’s David Harsanyi, who was a senior editor at the Federalist from 2013-2019, asks, “Would Google really demonetize sites over their comment sections? Has such a standard ever been used for a political website?”

 

Whatever the case, it’s clear now that NBC News was trying to have The Federalist demonetized. Unequipped to offer a compelling case on her own, Adele-Momoko Fraser appealed to authority by pointing to the alleged expertise of a previously unknown British group calling itself the “Center for Countering Digital Hate.”

 

A quick scan of the site will illustrate that the group relies on unsubstantiated Internet trolling as a basis for its “reports.” It looks as if the site is manned by one person, named Imran Ahmed, who seems to believe that Microsoft and Ford are also part of the white-supremacist conspiracy. It’s embarrassing that NBC News would rely on information given by such a transparently ideological and amateurish organization to censor anyone.

 

Where are all the other journalists banding together to defend the ideals of free expression and the First Amendment? So far, nowhere. The Left’s illiberal impulse to quash opinions it dislikes is getting increasingly brazen — and dangerous. And it won’t stop here.

 

Indeed. Although today’s debacle by the “NBC News Verification Unit” is yet another reminder of the solid reportage of the 94 year old network (including its origin as one of the first national radio networks) in its dotage:

 

 

 

 

UPDATE (FROM GLENN): So two big media companies basically collude to deprive two competitors of access to the advertising market. How, exactly, is this not a “conspiracy in restraint of trade?”

 

 

UPDATE (From Ed): “Google now denies it pulled ads from the Federalist in the first place. The objectionable content on the Federalist was, allegedly, in the comments section. As reporters like Vox’s Jane Coaston have pointed out, comments sections are generally protected under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. In fairness, this protects them from government takedowns, not Google bans…but if Google has an issue with the content in comments sections, it may want to turn a keen eye to the stuff that gets posted in response to YouTube videos by the second.”

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

JOSH HAWLEY MAKES AN INTERESTING POINT:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Melon]

I signed up for a gmail account today 

[Rob's House]

If conservatives hope to survive the purge we have to stop funding those who seek to destroy us.

 

There is no reason to use Google, and certainly no reason to click on any Google ads.

 

I use Duckduckgo and occasionally bing and they work just fine.

 

If they lose 1/3 of their traffic to competitors their monopoly dies.

[SydneyBillsFan]

First he needs to regulate the sewer that is Twitter. 

 

The double standards and censorship of only conservative viewpoints means that the joint needs to be scrubbed with bleach.

[Rob's House]

9 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

First he needs to regulate the sewer that is Twitter. 

 

The double standards and censorship of only conservative viewpoints means that the joint needs to be scrubbed with bleach.

 

Twitter's a squirt of piss in the ocean compared to Google. 

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

If conservatives hope to survive the purge we have to stop funding those who seek to destroy us.

 

There is no reason to use Google, and certainly no reason to click on any Google ads.

 

I use Duckduckgo and occasionally bing and they work just fine.

 

If they lose 1/3 of their traffic to competitors their monopoly dies.

 

 

The only people anyone pays any attention to in this country anymore are politicians.

 

Why hasn't Trump joined Gab yet?  Why aren't Rs en masse telling everyone everyday to find them in any other way that isn't Twitter or Fakebook?  Why are we subjugating ourselves to the Dem/Media narrative every freaking day and their echo chambers on Social media?

 

The Rs needed to do this starting January 2017.  But they dropped the ball and didnt see what was happening. 

 

That the entirety of Silicon Valley, run by left wing ideologues, especially Schmidt over at Google who visited The Obama WH more than ANYONE, suddenly became used by those leftists to suppress conservative opinion in America? 

 

Raise your hand if you found this development stunning. 

 

I'm not saying Trump is going to lose.  I think he's going to win because he will hold all the usual red states (including FL) and at least one of the Blue Wall rust belt states he won in 2016.  It electorally will be narrower then 2016.  His floor is 47%.  I've said this before and I stand by it.  

 

But he might lose the popular vote by 5 million. 

 

Turnout in deep blue America will be higher than 2016.  Higher in places Trump won big.  Ohio and Florida and Georgia and North Carolina will be closer. 

 

Imagine how these lunatics are going to respond then.  

 

Republicans are fighting the fight on liberal terms.  This is not sustainable.  You can't tell the kids "hey guys, limited government! And "tax cuts!" anymore and hope that when they get older they see why and agree with you.  They don't.  

 

This is why Trump's Nationalist vision is the formula.  Borders.  Defense.  Spending at home.  No endless wars.  Increase manufacturing here.  Less immigration from 3rd world countries more high skill and even that should be less. 

 

The media knows this was such a threat to Dems they had to work from 2016-2018 to call it racist and xenophobic.  Yes.  Wanting to bring in foreigners that have an Education or money is definitely racist.  They call you racist when they can't win on merit.  

 

Problem is the old guard GOP can't quit the neo con and the globalists they suck up to, especially on the immigration.  Trump won foreign policy.  That's why Bolton is so mad.  And if it wasn't for Paul Ryan the tax cut would not have been as traditionally top heavy as the Bush era GOP loved their tax cuts (don't get me wrong I liked the bill but i agreed with Bannon----highest bracket should have started with a 4--look that up.)

 

I miss Bannon.

[Hedge]

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

I doubt there will ever be a retraction or apology.

A news agency went after another news' agencies revenue because they did not like what that second news agency had to say. Google went along with it because hey, "nbc" and got unexpected blowback. They quickly saved face by saying "comments" and got the Federalist to agree to remove them. However, a buncha Senators were unhappy with Google, and now Barr has more ammo.

I am not sure how any of this will play out. Everyday people are super pissed at the tech giants. The US alphabets use(d) them (didn't the CIA give google some early funding?)... they still need to be broken up.

 

 

 

[Hedge]

 

 

[Koko78]

47 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

*****'em. They were warned.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Time to unleash hell on Silicon Valley.  Should be at the top of the GOP platform.  Word it just like that for all I care.  

 

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/17/justice-dept-announces-recommendations-for-reform-of-big-tech-platform-immunity-section-230/#more-194588

 

When NBC published their background conversation with Google yesterday the media outlet made a big legal mistake.  NBC not only outlined the mechanics of a racketeering and antitrust violation, via Google’s power to control on-line ad revenue as a weapon to target NBC’s competition, but NBC outlined the actual collaborative communication.

 

NBC did the worst thing possible, they published the quotes from Google’s response to them where Google willingly accepted the request from NBC without pause...

 

Within hours of realizing the consequences of the publication, the legal offices of NBC and Google both activated and attempted damage control.  The NBC article was completely rewritten and the communication between them and Google –as quoted– was removed.  For its part Google published a statement saying no action had been taken, and later they professed no action would be taken.  However, the damage was already done.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Mike Lee getting smacked around  above ^. 
I think we can all see how Big Tech pays Congress to ignore them.

Sean Davis:
 

 

 

[Taro T]

19 hours ago, Rob's House said:

If conservatives hope to survive the purge we have to stop funding those who seek to destroy us.

 

There is no reason to use Google, and certainly no reason to click on any Google ads.

 

I use Duckduckgo and occasionally bing and they work just fine.

 

If they lose 1/3 of their traffic to competitors their monopoly dies.

 

Problem is, google analytics is on almost every site out there.  There is no way to fully avoid the borg.

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

 

Problem is, google analytics is on almost every site out there.  There is no way to fully avoid the borg.

 

That's true, but even if we can't fully avoid them we can avoid clicking on their ads.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

MICHIGAN STATE SCIENTIST STEVEN HSU HAS COME UNDER ATTACK BY THE MOB: 

 

Twitter Attacks, and a Defense of Scientific Inquiry.

 

 

Here’s more from Scott Alexander at SlateStarCodex.

 

And here’s a petition in support of Hsu signed by nearly a thousand leading academics.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

No Fake.

 

No "manipulation"

 

Just a real person's story and experiences.

 

BUT it must be censored because it doesn't fit the Liberal narrative.

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Mike Lee must be feeling some heat ...

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

@Hedge put these tweets in a different thread. Here's Bill Barr talking about big tech:
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]