DasNootz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think preseason means that much. That said: 9.3 ypa isn't dink-n-dunk territory. The best teams in the NFL last season had just over 8 ypa, Saints and Chiefs. 9.3 YPC on 71.4% completion percentage is 6.6YPA (vs. 1st string) 13.96 YPC on 57.8% completion percentage is 8.1 YPA (vs 2nd and 3rd string) Bottom line - Tyrod is best for Cleveland this year... playing the same role he did last year for us. The defense will play well, and he won't lose them games. Baker is better long term, but will cost them games with turnovers if he plays this season. Edited August 24, 2018 by DasNootz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Just now, DasNootz said: 9.3 YPC on 71.4% completion percentage is 6.6YPA (vs. 1st string) 13.96 YPC on 57.8% completion percentage is 8.1 YPA (vs 2nd and 3rd string) I sit corrected. That is pretty dink-n-dunk. Browns not got a speedster who gets open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, MJS said: The standard I held for him is throwing for more than 1 TD a game, AND over 200 yards occasionally. That seems like a pretty low standard to me. Well in fairness to Tyrod, that is perfection to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, 87168 said: you sound scorned. someone take your place on the podium? Nah, I didn't even qualify. (in case you missed it, it was a reference to 29 years of fanhood drinking the tyrod koolaid by touting he was the "best qb of the drought" era, as if it was that high of a bar to reach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: Well in fairness to Tyrod, that is perfection to him. On NFL.com they list Tyrod Taylor as the Bills QB in the game preview for the preseason games, showing last year's stats. Under 3,000 yards passing and 14 TD's!! And people think he is a franchise QB? That level of production is atrocious. He starter quality, but only for the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the NFL, which is why he is currently playing for the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: On NFL.com they list Tyrod Taylor as the Bills QB in the game preview for the preseason games, showing last year's stats. Under 3,000 yards passing and 14 TD's!! And people think he is a franchise QB? That level of production is atrocious. He starter quality, but only for the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the NFL, which is why he is currently playing for the Browns. There is literally no one who believes this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, DasNootz said: 9.3 YPC on 71.4% completion percentage is 6.6YPA (vs. 1st string) 13.96 YPC on 57.8% completion percentage is 8.1 YPA (vs 2nd and 3rd string) Bottom line - Tyrod is best for Cleveland this year... playing the same role he did last year for us. The defense will play well, and he won't lose them games. Baker is better long term, but will cost them games with turnovers if he plays this season. JMO but I think Baker will be starting sooner rather than later this year. I remember coach Jackson in Oakland when he had Trent Edwards. After Trent, true to form, threw a four yard out on third and long Hue blew a gasket, went on a rant and publicly excoriated him on the sidelines. Unless Tyrod is able to move that offence down the field given the weapons he has to work with an irresistable tsunami of negative sentiment will sweep Tyrod off the field and onto the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There is literally no one who believes this. The national media does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Just now, MJS said: The national media does. Mid to low end starter is what I have always seen. Give me one, just one member of this national media who believes he's a franchise level QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Tyrod's a QB impersonator. But at least he is really good at that. Fooled Hue Jackson (though that's apparently easy to do). Also was LMAO at Landry looking shocked at no PI on one uncatchable ball after another. Really can't fathom the network game crews. Can they really be that clueless or is everything scripted beforehand. I guess Romo never got the message. Like that guy. It's all scripted beforehand by the league office. Cleveland is on Hard Knocks. Cleveland is great. Tyrod is great. Why did we hold him back? Mayfield is great too. Joe "Shill" Buck must have mentioned Hard Knocks 5 times during the broadcast. And isn't Greg Williams a fun guy? Edited August 24, 2018 by Wagon Circler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mid to low end starter is what I have always seen. Give me one, just one member of this national media who believes he's a franchise level QB. National media thinks Buffalo did him wrong after he "led" us to the playoffs. They never watch Bills games so they think he is way better than he is. That playoff game should have been all they needed but they didn't watch that either. I'm not sure if they say "Franchise QB" but they say he's a "Good starter in this league". All of the ESPN shows say this. He is trash. Edited August 24, 2018 by HeHateMe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said: Through 3 Weeks of Preseason Tyrod Taylor averaging 9.3 yards per completion (71.4 completion pct.) Baker Mayfield averaging 13.96 yards per completion (57.8 completion pct.) What I take away from this is that it has nothing to do with who is calling the plays and everything to do with who is executing the plays. Stats do not always give an accurate picture of what is happening, but these most definitely do. Baker is trying to complete more difficult passes, pushing the ball down the field (Hence why his completion pct. is lower), while Tyrod continues to do Tyrod things, and takes way too many dump off throws underneath for 3 and 4 yards, especially when its 3rd and 10. Really? Watch this. Not pretty. And FYI Tyrod's numbers look about the same as Tom Brady this preseason for whatever that means. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000950437/Every-Baker-Mayfield-touch-Preseason-Week-3 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000950445/Every-Tyrod-Taylor-touch-Preseason-Week-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 52 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: National media thinks Buffalo did him wrong after he "led" us to the playoffs. They never watch Bills games so they think he is way better than he is. That playoff game should have been all they needed but they didn't watch that either. I'm not sure if they say "Franchise QB" but they say he's a "Good starter in this league". All of the ESPN shows say this. He is trash. You like so many others go too far with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Well, technically what they're saying is true, some of it, anyway. Yes, he did play under two defensive-minded coaches... but when the time came to go out there and cut it loose, dude could rarely rise to the occasion. Had what, one, maybe two 300 yard games over his three seasons here? I'm not really all about the stats, but with the way the league is geared today to favor the passing game, you'd think he could've had a couple more big games like that. And what's his record when he had to throw it over 30 times in a game? Like, 2 and 12 or something? I think what you see is what you get with Tyrod. He's a hard guy to dislike because he's a true pro, very respectable and respected by teammates, handles adversity well, works his tail off, etc. But I think he's hit his ceiling. He's a "see it, throw it" passer so he can't really throw with anticipation or throw a receiver open, or throw to a spot that the receiver is supposed to get to. He has to see the guy open before pulling the trigger. This is why his time from snap to throw was the longest in the league. On the positive side, he will dazzle you when he somehow escapes what looks like a sure-thing sack and either hits a target for a nice gain or takes off and picks up 20 yards with his legs. And he typically throws a nice deep ball, although he seems to wait just a tick too long to throw it and when he does, a lot of times his man has to slow up to catch it. On the negative side, dude is just too careful with the ball. Yeah, it's great not to turn it over but his hesitance to throw into tight windows or toss up a 50/50 ball and let his receivers try to make a play can drive you nuts. A QB has to be able to take those risks sometimes. And now the guy has Todd Haley as his OC? Haley worked with Big Ben who has the nads to sling it anywhere. I wonder if Haley is gonna try to instill a little bit of that with Tyrod, maybe tell him to take some more chances and whatnot. Either way... Browns fans will be chanting for Mayfield by halftime of their season opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 He is what I said he is. Not good enough of a passing QB to be a long term starter if there’s another option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Tyrod looked like Tyrod yesterday. Im happy he is not our QB anymore. I wish him all the luck in Cleveland but that Bakers team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I don't think we ever built an offense around him. I don't think we justifiably should - but i don't think we ever built one either. The run game built around zone read, shotgun draws and pistol options, and the pass game around RPOs, screens, and rollouts. There would need to be a ton of presnap motion for him to identify coverages, a ton of tempo, and college style signals to change plays at the line of scrimmage. Yes - I'm aware this is a college style offense. I just think that's where he would have had more success. Do i think it would've been great? No. But i think we likely have a better offense than we did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Tyrod threw for 56 yards in this game! Cmon lets get serious here, he is not a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, wppete said: Tyrod threw for 56 yards in this game! Cmon lets get serious here, he is not a starter. You are so right. That was the only game of his career. At any rate...we're on to 2018 and the Josh Allen era! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You are so right. That was the only game of his career. At any rate...we're on to 2018 and the Josh Allen era! The only game in his career? TT had 3 games in 4 with a QB rating of under 45. Thats is why we got the debacle that was the Chargers game!!!! you could at least try to be honest! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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