atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, Magnetar said: He was able to tailor the velocity when the situation required. Question with Allen is, will he learn to do that. Yes. He already is. Watch throws from the Carolina game. Those are the ones that matter. Not the throws at Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Phillip Rivers has it too. His first coach, I believe was Shottenheimer? Anyway, they used to put 7 ft ladders in front of him forcing him to start throwing more over the top. I don't know if it actually helped or not. Josh Allen would be the product if Phil Rivers and Big Ben could somehow conceive a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Josh Allen would be the product if Phil Rivers and Big Ben could somehow conceive a child. In a sperm bank, it would go for like $10,000,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Phillip Rivers has it too. His first coach, I believe was Shottenheimer? Anyway, they used to put 7 ft ladders in front of him forcing him to start throwing more over the top. I don't know if it actually helped or not. Rivers just has that awkward 3/4 sidearm release which no QB coach will teach but he has been so effective so it’s moot Rivers not only had great accuracy, but very good arm strength with his release... he still has it to this day... I throw with a 3/4 motion too but every coach loved the way the ball came out of my hand so I never changed it either Edited August 15, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 The angle of the dangle = the mass of the ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 When it comes to understanding throwing mechanics, I'm much more of a baseball guy than a football guy, but to me Allen's delivery DOES look very different. Probably the two qualities that stand out most to me about it are that it seems very compact and very fast. The comments above about the lower placement of his elbow probably explains the compactness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I always notice if a guy has a dip because I have one too. I noticed it immediately with Allen. Here's two screen shots of a throw on Thursday. Drops it close to the hip and looks his elbow is below the shoulder near release. An old school QB coach, like the one I had in HS would try to correct it. I don't see an issue with it since it's not a long wind up. Folks this is not a flaw and There's plenty of information out there where circling right below the breast plate is perfectly acceptable and coached. Allen has a very similar motion to Wentz although I'd say a slightly smaller circle - where for example Brees has a much larger circle. It's about efficiency in the release time and Allen certainly doesn't suffer from that. If a coach tried to change this about him - I would fire him immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royale with Cheese Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: Folks this is not a flaw and There's plenty of information out there where circling right below the breast plate is perfectly acceptable and coached. Allen has a very similar motion to Wentz although I'd say a slightly smaller circle - where for example Brees has a much larger circle. It's about efficiency in the release time and Allen certainly doesn't suffer from that. If a coach tried to change this about him - I would fire him immediately. I know...I've had coaches try to change me. When I played baseball and was at the plate, I had a hitch and dropped my hands too. It was just my trigger. When I pitched, I would drop my hand below my waist. I liked watching David Wells pitch because we had very similar throwing motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I wonder why QB's don't get arm injuries like baseball pitchers do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: One of my all time favorite movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: I wonder why QB's don't get arm injuries like baseball pitchers do? QB's aren't throwing with nearly the frequency or velocity that pitchers do. Plus don't forget, pitchers are stepping down hill, aiding all that elbow- and shoulder-blowing momentum even more. A pitcher's arm is behaving almost like a whip, putting tremendous tension on the MCL (the "Tommy John" ligament). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) I think what makes Allen unique is his hip rotation; he generates most of his power in that manner. He is harnessing his entire big body which is why he has such velocity. Similar to how boxers throw a punch. They punch with their hips, not their arms. He does not throw with his arm, per se. Edited August 15, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, jimmy10 said: QB's aren't throwing with nearly the frequency or velocity that pitchers do. Plus don't forget, pitchers are stepping down hill, aiding all that elbow- and shoulder-blowing momentum even more. A pitcher's arm is behaving almost like a whip, putting tremendous tension on the MCL (the "Tommy John" ligament). Counting practice time they probably are close on frequency, but yeah, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: He has a classic over the top, quick release... The way the ball comes out is Bledsoe esq its just different I disagree... I feel Allen throws more 3/4 where Kelly was more over the top...I’ve also seen still frame pics that seem to illustrate this. Edited August 15, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, JaCrispy said: I disagree... I feel Allen throws more 3/4 where Kelly was more over the top. Rivers has a true 3/4 release and Allen’s isn’t that bad he dips a bit but i feel its closer to over the top than sidearm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Rivers has a true 3/4 release and Allen’s isn’t that bad he dips a bit but i feel its closer to over the top than sidearm Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Fair enough But he definitely does have a 3/4 flare when he goes deep. He had a longer motion 2 years ago so I bet it’s a work in progress ... regardless, the football comes out of his hand like he was sculpted by the football gods... when you think up what a football looks like when it leaves a QBs hand, Allen is the model Edited August 15, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: One of my all time favorite movies Me too, I was trying to find a gif of him backing up into the car and saying it but I settled for that lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: One thing I notice is does drop the hand level low before he throws it. It goes down to his hip. Not saying it's an issue because he actually releases it pretty quickly. It was an issue with Byron Leftwich since his was a much longer wind up. Good observation Royale. Actually I think this could be a very big issue when real games are played, defenders will be going after that constantly to strip him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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