Jump to content

Shaq Lawson on roster bubble


Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Yes fans who defend their top pass rusher who has been under performing 

 

Underperforming based on what sack totals?  Right back to where your poor take began. Run with it. 

Edited by 26CornerBlitz
Link to comment
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

He had as many sacks as Hughes last year while playing less games. I’d say he’s arguably our pass rusher at a much cheaper price than Hughes. I’d say they should trade Hughes ??‍♂️

 

I agree. Hughes has been outright bad for a bit now. Doesnt get enough pass rush and is bad vs the run. That combo equals a liability. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, eball said:

I don't think we've seen the last of Shaq just yet.  By all accounts he appears to have "gotten the message" so I'm anxious to see how he performs in camp and preseason.

 

I agree! I

hope he can put it together!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Yes fans who defend their top pass rusher who has been under performing 

 

You do realize that getting sacks is about more than just beating your man, right?

1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

 

I agree. Hughes has been outright bad for a bit now. Doesnt get enough pass rush and is bad vs the run. That combo equals a liability. 

 

This post is outright bad

  • Haha (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

50 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

When's the last time we had a GM who came right out and said this player isn't performing as well as we expect and he needs to do better? It's so refreshing.

 

I agree, but that's easier to do when it wasn't a guy you brought into the organ-eye-zation.

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

I agree. Hughes has been outright bad for a bit now. Doesnt get enough pass rush and is bad vs the run. That combo equals a liability. 

 

You are simply not correct.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/jerry-hughes/5556

 

2017 PFF Grades
Overall 85.0
#20 ED
Elite
 
High Quality
 
Above Average
 
Average
 
Below Average
 
Poor
 
Rookie
 
Limited Information
  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

He had as many sacks as Hughes last year while playing less games. I’d say he’s arguably our pass rusher at a much cheaper price than Hughes. I’d say they should trade Hughes ??‍♂️

 

3 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

I agree. Hughes has been outright bad for a bit now. Doesnt get enough pass rush and is bad vs the run. That combo equals a liability. 

 

:doh:  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think Lawson is quaranteed a pot on this roster, given the acquisition of Trent Murphy and a few other free agents.  He is competing for a roster spot, but I think he has decent odds of making it.  Eddie Yarbrough was a good addition last season, but he doesn't have great athleticisim.  I think he is in as much danger as Shaq.  It depends not only on Trent Murphy making a successful comeback from his injury, but players like Odighizuwa and Mike Love, both of whome are pretty athletic.  Odghizuwa in particular is close to elite in his athleticism.  If he can get his athleticism to translate into production, he will be a key contributor to the team, and somebody else is going to have a tougher time making the cut.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

You do realize that getting sacks is about more than just beating your man, right?

 

This post is outright bad

 

 

Thats fine, you can disagree. Fact is that Hughes is paid to get sacks. There are stretches of weeks where he doesnt get a single sack. He went 8 weeks last season without a sack. Hes supposed to be our pass rush specialist. 

 

And hes not great vs the run. I like Hughes but he disappears for long stretches of the season. Yeh he gets double teamed at times. 

Edited by bobobonators
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, wppete said:

Lawson is going to compete with Murphy at the left DE spot. This is going to be a great rotation on Defensice line.

 

rodak is publishing click bait at this point until camp starts. 

 

I believe this to be true.  Unless SL comes to camp and completely sucks, he at the very least provides decent depth at a critical position, and is still relatively cheap on his rookie deal.  Given Murphy's injury history, I think it would be foolish to trade Shaq unless some team offered something ridiculous.

  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

 

:doh:  

 

8 weeks last season without a sack.  In that 8 week span he had 3 tackles in a 5 week stretch. 3 total tackles, 0 sacks in 5 weeks. Thats good? 

 

Hes our highest paid player vs the cap. I expect more. 

Edited by bobobonators
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Trent Murphy was wearing the non contact jersey for minicamp, is he expected to be a full go next month?

 

I don’t see them cutting Lawson unless he falls further down the rotation, I could see them trading him though.

 

Beane said in an interview that they were "probably being too conservative" with Murphy, but they preferred to let him go through minicamp without contact because they knew they had over a month off after that and they preferred to just let him fully recover and rehab rather thank risking a setback. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

8 weeks last season without a sack.  In that 8 week span he had 3 tackles in a 5 week stretch. 3 total tackles, 0 sacks in 5 weeks. Thats good? 

 

Hes our highest paid player vs the cap. I expect more. 

 

I equate your take to one of complaining that the Bills didn't throw to the TE enough while they were in a 4 WR/1 RB formation.

 

Sacks are generally the result of overall line play -- the Bills had nothing on the opposite side of Hughes, and Kyle was essentially playing out of position.  It was pretty easy for teams to take away the only threat on the Bills' D line.

 

I can name approximately 31 NFL teams who would be willing to take Hughes off the Bills' hands.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

You’re right it’s not only measured in sacks, but sacks are a pretty big one. I don’t care how many pressures a guy has, if your best pass rusher is only getting 4 sacks a year then they’re the ones that needs to step it up. Nobody talks about who has the most QB pressures in a season....

 

QB hurries and pressures is talked about.  It's just not a traditional stat.

Hughes doesn't have help which is why his sack numbers are low.  We didn't have much push in the middle or at the other end spot.  Murphy and Star should help.  The coaching staff knows that they needed a lot of help on the DL which is why they addressed that early in FA.  

McBeane isn't afraid of getting rid of players, especially with bigger contracts.  They didn't get rid of Hughes and the reason is he's the only one who gives them in anything in the pass rush.

  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hughes hasn't gotten many sacks lately but the guy applies lots of pressures and stuffs the run well.  He just needs to wrap up and finish off those opportunities, and if we can get him another effective pass rushing bookend, he will be back in double digits.

 

He's been good for the Bills.  Hopefully Shaq can become a quality contributor, I am certainly encouraged with what appears to be his commitment to the off season which often times is a prelude to higher performance.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

 

Thats fine, you can disagree. Fact is that Hughes is paid to get sacks. There are stretches of weeks where he doesnt get a single sack. He went 8 weeks last season without a sack. Hes supposed to be our pass rush specialist. 

 

And hes not great vs the run. I like Hughes but he disappears for long stretches of the season. Yeh he gets double teamed at times. 

 

He's paid to help his team win football games. Getting good pressure on the QB does that. 

 

I get that sacks a much more flashy, but players on the line, on both sides of the ball, are also dependent on the players next to them doing well. It that doesn't happen, you suffer because of it. Why do you think Hughes would get double teamed? Is it because he's good, or is it because his linemates weren't good? The answer is yes. Dareus was a bum last year, Kyle a shell of his former self, Washington not very good, Lawson under performing, Yarborough not the most athletic or refined. Hughes was more of a focal point for opposing offenses as a result. RBs and TEs would chip him over Yarborough or Lawson. That can be the difference between a sack and a hurry, and I'm sure it was on several occasions. 

 

Being the 20th best edge rusher out of 64, under those circumstances, pretty much renders your take as a bad one. Maybe he isn't the best against the run, but the defense as a whole should be this year. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Underperforming based on what sack totals?  Right back to where your poor take began. Run with it. 

I know right. It’s weird judging a pass rusher by sacks. Kinda like judging a QB by how many TDs he throws. That would be crazy...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I know right. It’s weird judging a pass rusher by sacks. Kinda like judging a QB by how many TDs he throws. That would be crazy...

 

Not like that at all with so many different responsibilities and performance measureables for the respective positions.  Hughes is a good player who's important to the success of the defense. Carry on. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not like that at all with so many different responsibilities and performance measureables for the respective positions.  Hughes is a good player who's important to the success of the defense. Carry on. 

Yes like picking up bone head penalties all the time. Good day, sir.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

You seem angry. Do you want to talk about it? I’m here if you need someone to talk to

 

Angry?  That's pretty funny. I'm just pointing out the fallacies you keep posting regarding Hughes.  Angry has nothing to do with anything, but nice deflection. 

Edited by 26CornerBlitz
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Angry?  That's pretty funny. I'm just pointing out the fallacies you keep posting regarding Hughes.  Angry has nothing to do with anything, but nice deflection. 

Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team....

 

Yes. I'm delusional and you're proving how little you know about football.  I'm sure Beane is on the phone now trying to trade Hughes. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team....

 

Why hasn't a Defensive Minded Coach, with his big contract, not get rid of him if he really is as bad as you're saying he is?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yes. I'm delusional and you're proving how little you know about football.  I'm sure Beane is on the phone now trying to trade Hughes. 

I’m sorry. Maybe it’s just your personality. And yes the “you must not know anything about football” take. What is that thing that the point guard throws around? Can you help me out with that?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I’m sorry. Maybe it’s just your personality. And yes the “you must not know anything about football” take. What is that thing that the point guard throws around? Can you help me out with that?

 

Another deflection attempt.  Accusations of being delusional after your points have been proven off base is your personality it would seem.  Sacks, it's only about the sacks! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why hasn't a Defensive Minded Coach, with his big contract, not get rid of him if he really is as bad as you're saying he is?

I never said he was “bad”. Comparing his production to his salary and then comparing Lawson’s production to his salary tells me that at this very moment, Lawson is arguably more valuable to the team. Now if you asked me straight up who I’d pick to start at DE, without thinking salary cap, I’m taking Hughes all day long. Lawson is younger and cheaper. Now before 26livesinhismothersbasement started getting offended, I would have mentioned that

  • Haha (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

He's paid to help his team win football games. Getting good pressure on the QB does that. 

 

I get that sacks a much more flashy, but players on the line, on both sides of the ball, are also dependent on the players next to them doing well. It that doesn't happen, you suffer because of it. Why do you think Hughes would get double teamed? Is it because he's good, or is it because his linemates weren't good? The answer is yes. Dareus was a bum last year, Kyle a shell of his former self, Washington not very good, Lawson under performing, Yarborough not the most athletic or refined. Hughes was more of a focal point for opposing offenses as a result. RBs and TEs would chip him over Yarborough or Lawson. That can be the difference between a sack and a hurry, and I'm sure it was on several occasions. 

 

Being the 20th best edge rusher out of 64, under those circumstances, pretty much renders your take as a bad one. Maybe he isn't the best against the run, but the defense as a whole should be this year. 

 

I dont necessarily disagree with anything you say in theory however the reality is different. There were games where Hughes wasn’t even seen in the game. You don’t think Joey Bosa is double teamed? 

 

Who ranked him the 20th best pass rusher out of 64?

Edited by bobobonators
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Bills drafted a DE who played with the team for a long time. He was a real lunch pail guy who wasn’t very good but was always defended by the masses because he was “good against the run.”

 

He just wasn’t a very good player. We don’t need more of those players.

Why can't we have talented players with work ethic? It isn't always a one or the other proposition.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I never said he was “bad”. Comparing his production to his salary and then comparing Lawson’s production to his salary tells me that at this very moment, Lawson is arguably more valuable to the team. Now if you asked me straight up who I’d pick to start at DE, without thinking salary cap, I’m taking Hughes all day long. Lawson is younger and cheaper. Now before 26livesinhismothersbasement started getting offended, I would have mentioned that

 

No one but you is getting offended and you make that obvious.  Another silly point as Hughes position on the team is not in question while Lawson has much to prove.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Another deflection attempt.  Accusations of being delusional after your points have been proven off base is your personality it would seem.  Sacks, it's only about the sacks! 

Another great take

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No one but you is getting offended and you make that obvious.  Another silly point as Hughes position on the team is not in question while Lawson has much to prove.  

Another great take

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes it’s not all about the sacks; however, it’s a lengthy trend. Hughes had 4 sacks last season, 6 the season prior, and 5 the season before. If he’s not stout vs the run (which he’s not) and isn’t getting sacks, what’s he doing? Ah yes, creating “pressure” (except that’s not really happening either).  He’s certainly not racking up tackle totals either.

 

He must be a unicorn:  he’s awesome, but doesn’t get sacks, and doesn’t get tackles. He’s had a whopping 2 forced fumbles and zero fumble recoveries  over the last 31 games started. 

 

5 sacks/season over the last 3 seasons is Chris Kelsay territory. 

Edited by bobobonators
  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...