Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[Wily Dog]

14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well, let's break it down:

Your premise is:

1) The O-line loves, and respects Tyrod Taylor, and believe that he should start vs. the Chargers.

2) McDermott benches TT in favor of Peterman.

3) The O-line is angered by this decision, and decides to not offer Peterman the protection that their jobs require. (Hey, they don't care WHO starts. It could be JOE BLOW for all they care! As long as it's not Taylor, they're not going to do their jobs!)

4) The game starts, and to plan, they ignore Peterman's leadership, and go ahead and let Joey Bosa, and the Chargers' defense destroy Peterman's first NFL start.

 

And, you don't think this reflects poorly on Peterman's leadership in any way? For real???

Talk about embarrassing! Do you not see how astonishingly stupid this narrative is???

 

(Jesus, am I a fish on a hook, or what?)

 

 

if you weren't so intent on derailing peterman you possibly jump a cog in your brain and understand . just pretend that  peterman wasn't even there and MAYBE  ,MAYBE

[Rocky Landing]

2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

if you weren't so intent on derailing peterman you possibly jump a cog in your brain and understand . just pretend that  peterman wasn't even there and MAYBE  ,MAYBE

This is not a conversation about Peterman at this point, but rather a preposterous premise about our O-line having such a crush on Tyrod Taylor that they're willing to throw a game, regardless of who is under center. (Good God! My fingers feel stupider for having just typed that!!!)

But, there is definitely an element of derailment here...

[Warcodered]

34 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well, let's break it down:

Your premise is:

1) The O-line loves, and respects Tyrod Taylor, and believe that he should start vs. the Chargers.

2) McDermott benches TT in favor of Peterman.

3) The O-line is angered by this decision, and decides to not offer Peterman the protection that their jobs require. (Hey, they don't care WHO starts. It could be JOE BLOW for all they care! As long as it's not Taylor, they're not going to do their jobs!)

4) The game starts, and to plan, they ignore Peterman's leadership, and go ahead and let Joey Bosa, and the Chargers' defense destroy Peterman's first NFL start.

 

And, you don't think this reflects poorly on Peterman's leadership in any way? For real???

Talk about embarrassing! Do you not see how astonishingly stupid this narrative is???

 

(Jesus, am I a fish on a hook, or what?)

 

You know you could always beat your head against a wall you might actually get somewhere.

[Rocky Landing]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

You know you could always beat your head against a wall you might actually get somewhere.

If I did it enough, I might begin to understand Wily Dog's derailed train of thought. 

[transplantbillsfan]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It started with this:

It kind of ended until we were told the facts aren’t real. I’m hoping that it’s over. If we can all agree that facts aren’t up for debate that conversation should be over. Seems reasonable enough....

 

It's 2018 America... clearly we can't agree on that

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

This thread is bats#/+ crazy. 

 

 

I am talking Bob Woods crazy.

Ain't that the truth! It's a potato sack race to page 100!

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Just like last season, every pass he throws similar to the following in Cleveland is a pick six waiting to happen.

 

 

 

My God... that throw against Cleveland was an atrocious decision.

 

Isn't decision making supposedly his greatest asset?

 

Plus, the football still looks like it's flying through molasses when he throws it.

6 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

That pass actually had more on it than his passes from last season.

 

Compared against Josh Allen's arm, the added velocity will quickly be dismissed, but compared to where Peterman was at last year, there is a difference.

 

That pass gets picked off if thrown with the same mechanics from a season ago, because that Browns' player had an even better break on the ball than Jalen Ramsey did in the playoffs game.

 

The Browns' player didn't drop it because he simply has no place on a football field, as has been suggested, he dropped it because it wasn't as easy a pick to make as it seems on first look.

 

Peterman doesn't have the same power behind his throw as Allen obviously, but he has added something to his passes and I believe that small addition could prove to be a big difference maker, should Peterman get the starting nod.

[Kirby Jackson]

44 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I'm not sure we can use the Cleveland game as a gague. They're wrecking Philly's #1 OL

 

Cleveland’s pass rush is really good. The Bills OL isn’t good though. They are going to have Bosa and Ingram week 2, Clowney and Watt week 6 etc... The line needs to be better. I think that they have an LT and a C though which is a good place to start.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, COTC said:

Talk about bi-polar thread. 

 

Anyone who thinks Peterman should start is just playing devils advocate. It’s so obvious. 

 

God I would love it if this were true.

 

I think I'd be able to believe in Santa Claus again in a world where that was true.

[Rocky Landing]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Cleveland’s pass rush is really good. The Bills OL isn’t good though. They are going to have Bosa and Ingram week 2, Clowney and Watt week 6 etc... The line needs to be better. I think that they have an LT and a C though which is a good place to start.

You don't think Miller has potential? I do.

 

Also, are you assuming Groy is C?

Edited August 24, 2018 by Rocky Landing

[Lfod]

Looks like on his first play one of his O-Line is pancaked immediately. I see pressure threatening often. I think there is only one pass Peterman would want to take back. Everyone just assumed the red carpet was rolled out. No run game, every play is a pass. 

 

AJ got destroyed behind the same line.

 

That's what it looks like without quick pass Peterman.

 

If it was between AJ and Peterman I think I'm going with Peterman. He handles pressure better. 

 

It's Josh Allen's turn to get a start. He has earned it. He might go out Sunday and play lights out. It hasn't happened yet so maybe relax on calling the competition over until it is. Josh Allen faces a true test and people have given him a passing grade before the final test. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Lfod

[BurpleBull]

11 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Looks like on his first play one of his O-Line is pancaked immediately. I see pressure threatening often. I think there is only one pass Peterman would want to take back.

 

AJ got destroyed behind the same line. This is not a bad performance. 

 

That's what it looks like without quick pass Peterman. 

 

Initially I thought that first throw from Peterman vs. the Panthers, which was behind the receiver, was all on Peterman, until watching that play again earlier today.

 

Vlad Ducasse was pushed way into the backfield by Kawann Short, which disrupted Peterman's follow-thru and ability to step into the throw.

 

I think a solidified O-line is one that includes Wyatt Teller at LG and Ryan Groy at C.

 

 

[Lfod]

9 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Initially I thought that first throw from Peterman vs. the Panthers, which was behind the receiver, was all on Peterman, until watching that play again earlier today.

 

Vlad Ducasse was pushed way into the backfield by Kawann Short, which disrupted Peterman's follow-thru and ability to step into the throw.

 

I think a solidified O-line is one that includes Wyatt Teller at LG and Ryan Groy at C.

 

 

I just look at his preseason game and often wondered why people were not impressed. I see pressure is there but people says he completely folds under pressure. He completely folded the ball down field in an all passing attack for a TD. 

 

Take away that one tipped pass for an interception and you might have two TD drives. 

 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Lfod

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Maybe the Browns will part with another mid round pick for Peterman. Taylor is done. Put Petey on the block.

 

Huh?

[Big C]

Rewatched the Peterman video posted above. It was a surprising and efficient performance. The fact is, however, that Petey can't stretch the field or fire the ball into tight windows like Allen can. He's impressed us all this preseason, but I have a hard time believing that he will either look that good in the regular season or outperform Allen, even if Allen comes with some ups and downs and Peterman remains steady.

[Boca BIlls]

Don't get fooled by Peterman you are all getting Fitzpatricked if you do.

[bills11]

5 hours ago, Lfod said:

I just look at his preseason game and often wondered why people were not impressed. I see pressure is there but people says he completely folds under pressure. He completely folded the ball down field in an all passing attack for a TD. 

 

Take away that one tipped pass for an interception and you might have two TD drives. 

 

Its because first and foremost he was good last preseason as well . And he's making all the throws we already know Peterman is decent at ..soft tosses over the middle slants..quick fades. The minute he has to throw outside..the ball has no velocity on it and it's nearly pick 6..he's limited as a passer because of his physical limitations it's hard to get behind a guy who you know limits the playbook. He struggles to even to get adequate zip on a simple quick out . 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

You don't think Miller has potential? I do.

 

Also, are you assuming Groy is C?

Miller is okay but he’s a FA after this year. I get the sense that this group isn’t high on him. He will get a chance to prove himself this year but I’d bet he’s elsewhere in 2019.

 

Groy is the assumption. I’m higher on him than most I think. He played well when given the opportunity. He may not be a big downgrade from Wood at this stage.

7 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Initially I thought that first throw from Peterman vs. the Panthers, which was behind the receiver, was all on Peterman, until watching that play again earlier today.

 

Vlad Ducasse was pushed way into the backfield by Kawann Short, which disrupted Peterman's follow-thru and ability to step into the throw.

 

I think a solidified O-line is one that includes Wyatt Teller at LG and Ryan Groy at C.

 

 

I like the idea of Teller at least getting a look with the 1’s. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

 

if you weren't so intent on derailing peterman you possibly jump a cog in your brain and understand . just pretend that  peterman wasn't even there and MAYBE  ,MAYBE

Then every snap would've been a fumble instead of an interception...

Edited August 24, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[Wily Dog]

14 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

This is not a conversation about Peterman at this point, but rather a preposterous premise about our O-line having such a crush on Tyrod Taylor that they're willing to throw a game, regardless of who is under center. (Good God! My fingers feel stupider for having just typed that!!!)

But, there is definitely an element of derailment here...

 

Whether or not the Oline was purposeful or not had no bearing on Peterman's leadership qualities. 

[Wily Dog]

 

 

There is a book by John Grisham called" A Time To Kill " which may help you people who just remain on facts for your judgements in life. A man killed two other men and was arrested for murder.

 

FACT: He shot the two men and didn't deny it.

Fact:   Peterman threw five interceptions against the Chargers

 

WHY>:   The  two men had brutalized his nine year old daughter before Raping and killing her. The fatherr , being enraged  shot a killed the two men.

 

WHY:    The fullback did not catch a short pass over the middle and  the ball ricochet into an interception.. Two instances an offensive lineman not blocking a defensive end , resulting in two  interceptions.

 

JUDGEMENT::  The father was acquitted by the jury because of the circumstances  of the crime.

 

JUDGEMENT:  YOU DECIDE.

 

It isn't always about the Facts.

[prissythecat]

13 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

There is a book by John Grisham called" A Time To Kill " which may help you people who just remain on facts for your judgements in life. A man killed two other men and was arrested for murder.

 

FACT: He shot the two men and didn't deny it.

Fact:   Peterman threw five interceptions against the Chargers

 

WHY>:   The  two men had brutalized his nine year old daughter before Raping and killing her. The fatherr , being enraged  shot a killed the two men.

 

WHY:    The fullback did not catch a short pass over the middle and  the ball ricochet into an interception.. Two instances an offensive lineman not blocking a defensive end , resulting in two  interceptions.

 

JUDGEMENT::  The father was acquitted by the jury because of the circumstances  of the crime.

 

JUDGEMENT:  YOU DECIDE.

 

It isn't always about the Facts.

 

So basically NFL should put an asterisk on Peterman's record setting first half against the Chargers.  Think about how absurd that notion is

[Wily Dog]

2 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

So basically NFL should put an asterisk on Peterman's record setting first half against the Chargers.  Think about how absurd that notion is

 

I did not say that, in fact I did not say anything , except , you decide.

[Warcodered]

40 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

There is a book by John Grisham called" A Time To Kill " which may help you people who just remain on facts for your judgements in life. A man killed two other men and was arrested for murder.

 

FACT: He shot the two men and didn't deny it.

Fact:   Peterman threw five interceptions against the Chargers

 

WHY>:   The  two men had brutalized his nine year old daughter before Raping and killing her. The fatherr , being enraged  shot a killed the two men.

 

WHY:    The fullback did not catch a short pass over the middle and  the ball ricochet into an interception.. Two instances an offensive lineman not blocking a defensive end , resulting in two  interceptions.

 

JUDGEMENT::  The father was acquitted by the jury because of the circumstances  of the crime.

 

JUDGEMENT:  YOU DECIDE.

 

It isn't always about the Facts.

So now your saying the O-Line killed Peterman's daughter?

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

 

Whether or not the Oline was purposeful or not had no bearing on Peterman's leadership qualities. 

 

1 hour ago, Wily Dog said:

 

 

There is a book by John Grisham called" A Time To Kill " which may help you people who just remain on facts for your judgements in life. A man killed two other men and was arrested for murder.

 

FACT: He shot the two men and didn't deny it.

Fact:   Peterman threw five interceptions against the Chargers

 

WHY>:   The  two men had brutalized his nine year old daughter before Raping and killing her. The fatherr , being enraged  shot a killed the two men.

 

WHY:    The fullback did not catch a short pass over the middle and  the ball ricochet into an interception.. Two instances an offensive lineman not blocking a defensive end , resulting in two  interceptions.

 

JUDGEMENT::  The father was acquitted by the jury because of the circumstances  of the crime.

 

JUDGEMENT:  YOU DECIDE.

 

It isn't always about the Facts.

I've said, much earlier in this thread, that the five picks Peterman threw only told part of the story. In the first half of that game, confusion reigned. When Tyrod came out in the second half, the entire offense (not just the line) looked like a different team. You say that has nothing to do with Peterman's leadership abilities. You say that it doesn't matter who the QB was-- that any other QB (other than Tyrod Taylor), under the same circumstances, would have failed just as spectacularly.

 

I call BS.

 

You can blame the O-line.

You can blame McD for putting him out there before he was ready.

You can blame Tyrod for casting a spell, and charming the professionalism out of his teammates.

You can blame Peterman for not having the ability to lead, or inspire his teammates.

 

YOU DECIDE

 

Facts matter.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Rocky Landing

[Lfod]

8 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

I've said, much earlier in this thread, that the five picks Peterman threw only told part of the story. In the first half of that game, confusion reigned. When Tyrod came out in the second half, the entire offense (not just the line) looked like a different team. You say that has nothing to do with Peterman's leadership abilities. You say that it doesn't matter who the QB was-- that any other QB (other than Tyrod Taylor), under the same circumstances, would have failed just as spectacularly.

 

I call BS.

 

You can blame the O-line.

You can blame McD for putting him out there before he was ready.

You can blame Tyrod for casting a spell, and charming the professionalism out of his teammates.

You can blame Peterman for not having the ability to lead, or inspire his teammates.

 

YOU DECIDE

 

Facts matter.

Tyrod in the playoffs was a complete non factor just saying. Peterman may not have been the answer but Tyrod wasn't either. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Lfod

[Kirby Jackson]

51 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

I did not say that, in fact I did not say anything , except , you decide.

I’ve decided. If you throw 5 INTs in a half it counts. If you throw 5 TDs in a half it counts. Everything that actually happens counts. That’s why we keep stats and records. 

[Lfod]

 

The reason Nate Peterman started in the first place. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, prissythecat said:

 

So basically NFL should put an asterisk on Peterman's record setting first half against the Chargers.  Think about how absurd that notion is

Yes it was all Nate’s fault he was on the field in the first place. 

 

Nate wasn’t drafted to be the long term starter.  Ask anyone.

 

[Rocky Landing]

5 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Tyrod in the playoffs was a complete non factor just saying. Peterman may not have been the answer but Tyrod wasn't either. 

Sure. And I'll say I do agree that he has improved as a QB since that game, at least, to some degree. 

[Wily Dog]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So now your saying the O-Line killed Peterman's daughter?

if that's is all you got out of it yes i suppose

[Wily Dog]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

I've said, much earlier in this thread, that the five picks Peterman threw only told part of the story. In the first half of that game, confusion reigned. When Tyrod came out in the second half, the entire offense (not just the line) looked like a different team. You say that has nothing to do with Peterman's leadership abilities. You say that it doesn't matter who the QB was-- that any other QB (other than Tyrod Taylor), under the same circumstances, would have failed just as spectacularly.

 

I call BS.

 

You can blame the O-line.

You can blame McD for putting him out there before he was ready.

You can blame Tyrod for casting a spell, and charming the professionalism out of his teammates.

You can blame Peterman for not having the ability to lead, or inspire his teammates.

 

YOU DECIDE

 

Facts matter.

i was trying to convince you that it did not matter who the quarterback was for leadership because it was NOT a thing they could have done  , under the same circumstances . i apparently failed trying to explain it to you. Go off on another tirade if you want , i'm done answering your posts.

[reddogblitz]

Oh, I decided  long time ago ...

[Wily Dog]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve decided. If you throw 5 INTs in a half it counts. If you throw 5 TDs in a half it counts. Everything that actually happens counts. That’s why we keep stats and records. 

 

I would not like you to be on a jury for me with that outlook.

[Warcodered]

33 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

i was trying to convince you that it did not matter who the quarterback was for leadership because it was NOT a thing they could have done  , under the same circumstances . i apparently failed trying to explain it to you. Go off on another tirade if you want , i'm done answering your posts.

I would like to think that another Quarterback would of come to the conclusion to take a sack before getting 5 interceptions.

[Wily Dog]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I would like to think that another Quarterback would of come to the conclusion to take a sack before getting 5 interceptions.

 

You just would have criticized him for taking the sack.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Wily Dog said:

 

You just would have criticized him for taking the sack.

...which would be worse than an interception?

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

i was trying to convince you that it did not matter who the quarterback was for leadership because it was NOT a thing they could have done  , under the same circumstances . i apparently failed trying to explain it to you. Go off on another tirade if you want , i'm done answering your posts.

You are correct. You have failed to explain your position.

 

I highly doubt you have convinced anybody that the Bills offense was not capable of being led by any other QB than Tyrod Taylor, or that it didn't matter who was under center, or that leadership doesn't matter. 

 

And, thank goodness you are done trying.

[transplantbillsfan]

Wily Dog being a wily dog as he engages in in as much misdirection as he possibly can.

 

Truth isn't truth!

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

They aren't impressed because their first choice is to not be impressed so long as anything has to do with Peterman. 

 

A lot of these guys think their take on Peterman is superior to even that of those within the org. like the GM, coach and players. They downplay facts and in some cases outright deny that a fact expressed is a fact at all, simply because that fact puts Peterman in a positive light.

 

You know like I do, that if Peterman's preseason performance was McCarron's, folks would be expressing contentment with McCarron leading the show in the event that it was determined that Allen wasn't ready to be given charge, as was the case at the start of this. There'd be no nitpicking about him not throwing the ball twenty plus yards in the two games, no complaining about him not facing a pass rush which would allow one to form an opinion about how he reacts under pressure, or trivializing of any of his TD throws.

 

Something clearly hasn't been impressive enough to the coaches or GM with regards to Peterman because he's not the one who will be getting the 1st string snaps in the dress rehearsal of the preseason AND he didn't get announced as the starter in the week leading up to that game AND unlike Allen, who is this week getting the 1st team reps in practice rather than rotating, Peterman had to rotate... maintaining the guessing game.

 

Your bar was always just too high. Peterman should be a fine backup. 

 

We would have been in serious trouble if he was our starting QB week 1.

 

 

As a sidenote, when do you plan on shutting this thread down?