Heartfelt story of female football player.. Toni Harris, best of luck on your goal!

[JinxedBill1]

1 minute ago, Bills4life1924 said:

What sport does a women have that men dont? Cheerleading? There are men cheerleaders. Field hockey(possibly)? But men play hockey instead. I cannot think of another women organized sport that men do not have. If I am missing something let me know, but women do not have all the opportunity in organized sports like men do

Agreed.  I'm for them having the opportunity but I think they should have their own league.  

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Well idk, are you telling me no man is barred from trying out for any female sport?  Then a follow up if you say none, why have no men try out for them?  I'll tell you why, because they see the unfair advantage and don't want to degrade the integrity  of the sport.  

 

My my fear isn't the few that could play the sport, it's the compulsory evening of everything now across the gender spectrum so that everything is fair.  But it's not, not to the men who won't go full throttle against a woman.  It will change the whole sport.  I'm more about protecting the sport than anything against woman.

 

I mean what sport are men not allowed to play.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

From what you posted first time, yes. Bills have 19 players players UNDER 200 pounds.  It appears you have a double standard or are skewing data to fit scenario.

 

There are 62 women in MNBA from 70.9"/180 pounds to 77.2"/250 pounds who physically could match up to players in NFL if they desire as well had opportunities (including scholarships) like men in college.  I am sure there are in other sports as well but choose MNBA because it is easiest sport to transition to NFL given number of TEs, etc has data accessible and a sport which requires speed.

 

what the hell is the "MNBA" and who has easily transitioned from it to the NFL??

[Bills4life1924]

4 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Agreed.  I'm for them having the opportunity but I think they should have their own league.  

Definately, unfortunately that's not the case. That's why I would never deny a female to tryout for a male team, if she and her family chose to do so

[Big Turk]

This is a nice story but there is no way a woman can physically compete with grown men on a football field. She is giving up 40-50 lbs even to "light" guys and men are just much stronger than women are in general. The strongest woman in the world is likely on par with an average male.

 

She is going to get seriously hurt if she plays long enough. There is a reason why Serena and Venus Williams, the best women's tennis players don't play against guys...guys who we never even heard of that were ranked in the 300 or 400s in the world easily beat them...one while smoking a cigarette in between games(look it up).

 

Anyone who wants to pretend there are not major physical differences between men and women that makes this a foolish endeavor is in fantasy land.

[JinxedBill1]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean what sport are men not allowed to play.

Idk that.  I would assume men are able to or have as many as woman and vice versa.  What are you getting at?

[Big Turk]

38 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

 

We had a girl on our team, Daniellle Davis, and she was a beast on special teams. She was tough as hell and hit hard. This was a 6a school in FL that faced several eventual D1 and even pro players. Former Bill Kawika Mitchell was on our team. 

 

Maybe in High school when you have kids weighing 140 or 150 lbs sometimes but in college when guys are really in the weight room and start packing on size and muscle women simply cannot do that...they lack the Testosterone to build muscle like that and the 140 or 150 lbs guys they were trying to tackle in high school are replaced by 190 and 200 lb guys in college...good luck with that.

Edited May 15, 2018 by matter2003

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Idk that.  I would assume men are able to or have as many as woman and vice versa.  What are you getting at?

I mean I'm having trouble thinking of any. If your talking about things like the WNBA that doesn't really count. I mean what man would want to play in a league that would pay them less and give them considerably less prestige. I mean any league that starts with the word Women's essentially implies there is a male version.

[Big Turk]

20 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

From what you posted first time, yes. Bills have 19 players players UNDER 200 pounds.  It appears you have a double standard or are skewing data to fit scenario.

 

There are 62 women in MNBA from 70.9"/180 pounds to 77.2"/250 pounds who physically could match up to players in NFL if they desire as well had opportunities (including scholarships) like men in college.  I am sure there are in other sports as well but choose MNBA because it is easiest sport to transition to NFL given number of TEs, etc has data accessible and a sport which requires speed.

 

Except the amount of strength they have per pound is far less than an equivalent male.  All you have to do to see this is put them in a weight room with a guy the same weight watch the differences...id be willing to bet the guy on average would be lifting 100-125 lbs more AT MINIMUM on the compound lifts.  Nobody in their right mind would think that a female should be playing football with males as adults.

Edited May 15, 2018 by matter2003

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Let big,tall,powerful men join the WNBA then! No double standards....and start up another football league..for both females and males...

That is the WNBA. This is not the MNFL

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Except the amount of strength they have per pound is far less than an equivalent male.  All you have to do to see this is put them in a weight room with a guy the same weight watch the differences...id be willing to bet the guy on average would be lifting 100-125 lbs more AT MINIMUM on the compound lifts.  Nobody in their right mind would think that a female should be playing football with males as adults.

There shouldn't be a specific rule against it though. If someone is the best person available at a position they should be able to play. If none are able to make it then that's just how it hashes out but anyone should be free to try to make it if they want.

[The Now Moment]

2 hours ago, bobobonators said:

awesome story. Happy to see her excel like she has. 

 

I could see maybe a hanful of elite female athletes playing in college on smaller schools/divisions. 

 

No way a female ever makes it to the NFL in a position other than maybe kicker. NFL is about combining speed, size, and strength; three things males are genetically superior in on average. 

 

An elite male athlete (which is what is required to play in the NFL) will always be faster and stronger than an elite female athlete. The competition among elite male athletes is already so high that just a miniscule dropoff in talent is the difference between having an NFL career and watching from the couch on Sundays. 

On average, I'd agree with you.  However, there are some exceptional outlier athletes that certainly could compete.  

[JinxedBill1]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I'm having trouble thinking of any. If your talking about things like the WNBA that doesn't really count. I mean what man would want to play in a league that would pay them less and give them considerably less prestige. I mean any league that starts with the word Women's essentially implies there is a male version.

Ah there it is.  So we should allow woman into men's league who they physically can compete in because it's unfair their sport doesn't have the ratings or money.  How is that fair?  Again, here's the double standard.  

 

Dude, I want woman to have their own things not delude other things because they want more fame or money.  They don't get the money and fame because they aren't as entertaining.  You can't change that by forcing it but that's exactly what's happening in a lot of things.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

2 hours ago, Bills4life1924 said:

I find it unlikely as well, but would love to see it as a football fan

not unlikely... it's impossible, unless she is a short range FG Kicker.

3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

On average, I'd agree with you.  However, there are some exceptional outlier athletes that certainly could compete.  

No there aren't. Not even close.

[bobobonators]

20 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

From what you posted first time, yes. Bills have 19 players players UNDER 200 pounds.  It appears you have a double standard or are skewing data to fit scenario.

 

There are 62 women in MNBA from 70.9"/180 pounds to 77.2"/250 pounds who physically could match up to players in NFL if they desire as well had opportunities (including scholarships) like men in college.  I am sure there are in other sports as well but choose MNBA because it is easiest sport to transition to NFL given number of TEs, etc has data accessible and a sport which requires speed.

 

Im not skewing anything. You said not every player in the NFL is 240. The average weight of an NFL player is greater than 240 (slightly). So yeh not every player in the nfl is 240, but you act as if my statement was based in some story book world. 

 

Less than 1% of college football players make it to the NFL for a reason.

 

Yeh we can find a 6’4 woman that weighs 250. But Can she put up 225lbs 20 times? Very Likely not. Can she run a 40 in 4.6 seconds? Very likely not. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Would you tackle a woman with all of your might? I would not.

 

I would. She knows what she's getting into.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Ah there it is.  So we should allow woman into men's league who they physically can compete in because it's unfair their sport doesn't have the ratings or money.  How is that fair?  Again, here's the double standard.  

 

Dude, I want woman to have their own things not delude other things because they want more fame or money.  They don't get the money and fame because they aren't as entertaining.  You can't change that by forcing it but that's exactly what's happening in a lot of things.

You're completely missing the point. If you want to split things up that way then there should be three leagues one for men, one for women, and one for the best players no matter which side they come from. I mean no one is saying lower the bar for women to be able to play in the NFL that would be stupid, but if a women is above the bar then they sure as hell shouldn't keep her from playing just because she happens to be a woman.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

36 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

From what you posted first time, yes. Bills have 19 players players UNDER 200 pounds.  It appears you have a double standard or are skewing data to fit scenario.

 

There are 62 women in MNBA from 70.9"/180 pounds to 77.2"/250 pounds who physically could match up to players in NFL if they desire as well had opportunities (including scholarships) like men in college.  I am sure there are in other sports as well but choose MNBA because it is easiest sport to transition to NFL given number of TEs, etc has data accessible and a sport which requires speed.

NO woman could ever even come close to matching up with an NFL player. I can't tell if you are joking, or just an insane delusional wacko.

[JinxedBill1]

Just now, Warcodered said:

You're completely missing the point. If you want to split things up that way then there should be three leagues one for men, one for women, and one for the best players no matter which side they come from. I mean no one is saying lower the bar for women to be able to play in the NFL that would be stupid, but if a women is above the bar then they sure as hell shouldn't keep her from playing just because she happens to be a woman.

Oh I get it.  I'm all for that if that's how you want to break it up.  Just leave the game and product like it is is all I'm asking.  Give me a different product and let me tell you if it's entertaining, don't change what I already like.  

[bobobonators]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

On average, I'd agree with you.  However, there are some exceptional outlier athletes that certainly could compete.  

 

Lets make sure we’re discussing the same thing. This young lady is a better athlete than probably 90% of the male population. But thats not what we’re comparing her to. NFL players are the elite of the elite. So we’re not comparing her to the average male. We’re comparing her to the elite male athlete. Its not even close. 

 

This has nothing to do with sex. Its a pure numbers game. Its biology. Its physics. 

[The Now Moment]

6 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

No there aren't. Not even close.

You are denying that there are exceptional female athletes that are better than average male athletes?  There are certainly faster females than the average male athlete and there are certainly stronger ones too.  Don't be so pessimistic.  

[HT02]

This is just plain stupid, there is not a woman on  the planet who could/should play even DI-AA football let alone play in the NFL.  Why does she even have this as a goal?  Its foolish and she will end up being seriously hurtt

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

NO woman could ever even come close to matching up with an NFL player. I can't tell if you are joking, or just an insane delusional wacko.

 

You are established as SME for insane delusional wackos and are a bad joke. It nicely combines two.  Just because my opinion does not agree does not make me in your insanity class.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

Just now, Buffalo30 said:

You are denying that there are exceptional female athletes that are better than average male athletes?  There are certainly faster females than the average male athlete and there are certainly stronger ones too.  Don't be so pessimistic.  

No I am not. I am being realistic. Being better than average is not what it takes to make it in the NFL. You need to be the best of the best... and no woman could ever even come close to reaching that level. To deny that is to deny reality. Have fun on LaLa Land... the real world is a little more logical.

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

You are established as SME for insane delusional wackos and are a bad joke. It nicely combines two.  Just because my opinion does not agree does not make me in your insanity class.

you are correct, my opinion doesn't make you that.... your opinion makes you that. It is delusional at best

[The Now Moment]

6 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

Lets make sure we’re discussing the same thing. This young lady is a better athlete than probably 90% of the male population. But thats not what we’re comparing her to. NFL players are the elite of the elite. So we’re not comparing her to the average male. We’re comparing her to the elite male athlete. Its not even close. 

 

This has nothing to do with sex. Its a pure numbers game. Its biology. Its physics. 

I'm not talking about this individual woman.  Women have run a 4.3 40 in the past and some are very strong.  I don't think it would ever happen but I wouldn't be surprised.  There are some exceptional female athletes out there in today's world.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Oh I get it.  I'm all for that if that's how you want to break it up.  Just leave the game and product like it is is all I'm asking.  Give me a different product and let me tell you if it's entertaining, don't change what I already like.  

Realistically it would probably end up with just the Women's league and the National League since any Male league wouldn't be popular enough while the Women's league would have novelty going for it.

[HT02]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I'm not talking about this individual woman.  Women have run a 4.3 40 in the past and some are very strong.  I don't think it would ever happen but I wouldn't be surprised.  There are some exceptional female athletes out there in today's world.

None of these "exceptional" female athletes could compete in the NFL, NO WAY not even close

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I have and would again. 

 

It's even more bizzare wrestling one.

 

It's ridiculous to give less than your best and it's disrespectful to lighten up because she is a woman. Unless she's retarded she knows her risks on the field, it's the same risk anyone takes on the field and it's part of what so many enjoy about the participation in sports; the wide open sheer madness.

 

Not sure who taught you how to respect women, but I can tell you this ... they didn't do a good job.

[Big Gun]

Great story and good for her but she can't compete on a NFL or D1 football field.

 

How would she fare against 6'5" 245 lb Kelvin Benjamin going over the middle? 

 

or she's a safety, right so maybe she is asked to tackle 6'6" 265 lb Rob Gronkowski, never going to happen for any woman no matter how badass she thinks she is.

Edited May 15, 2018 by PeterGriffin

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Would you tackle a woman with all of your might? I would not.

 

Maybe someone can come up with the quote, but a prominent NFL player, RB I think, said something to the effect, "if my momma was on the football field and wearing the opponent's uniform, I would run over her...and I love my momma"

 

She plays safety so it's on her to do the tackling.  If you're on the football field in a game, I don't think that thought runs through you.  I think it's like "safety between me and the goal line,BAM, stiffarm"  Or if she hits you and you know you've been hit, well then.

 

Sort of like sparring a girl in Tae Kwon Do, that "oh, hold back" attitude lasts until she nails you then it's like "well all right then, let's go"

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Talk about synchronicity lol I just saw this on YouTube 10 minutes ago lol

good luck, but I doubt she makes it

 

I know women athletes who could probably play football if they wanted.  They're feminine, but they're just as big and strong as the guys, 5'11, 6'1.  They say NBA players have a lot of respect for WNBA players - talent knows talent.

 

That said, at this time she doesn't look like she really has the size and strength for it.  So I say "same - good luck, doubt she makes it".

 

2 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Great story and good for her but she can't compete on a NFL or D1 football field.

 

How would she fare against 6'5" 245 lb Kelvin Benjamin going over the middle? 

 

or she's a safety, right so maybe she is asked to tackle 6'6" 265 Rob Gronkowski, never going to happen for any woman no matter how badass she thinks she is.

 

To be totally fair, that's a mismatch for a lot of the male safeties playing in the league.  But I couldn't find her height and weight anywhere, and she does look small.

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Maybe someone can come up with the quote, but a prominent NFL player, RB I think, said something to the effect, "if my momma was on the football field and wearing the opponent's uniform, I would run over her...and I love my momma"

 

She plays safety so it's on her to do the tackling.  If you're on the football field in a game, I don't think that thought runs through you.  I think it's like "safety between me and the goal line,BAM, stiffarm"  Or if she hits you and you know you've been hit, well then.

 

Sort of like sparring a girl in Tae Kwon Do, that "oh, hold back" attitude lasts until she nails you then it's like "well all right then"

 

 

I know women athletes who could probably play football if they wanted.  They're feminine, but they're just as big and strong as the guys, 5'11, 6'1.  They say NBA players have a lot of respect for WNBA players - talent knows talent.

 

That said, at this time she doesn't look like she really has the size and strength for it.  So I say "same".

 

Talent definitely respects talent and I think their are tons of great female athletes... it will just take a special woman to break the football barrier...

 

my guess if it ever happens...

 

Kicker, Punter or dark horse....

 

Quarterback

[bobobonators]

Just now, Buffalo30 said:

I'm not talking about this individual woman.  Women have run a 4.3 40 in the past and some are very strong.  I don't think it would ever happen but I wouldn't be surprised.  There are some exceptional female athletes out there in today's world.

 

Haha. Lets break this down bc it really shouldnt be THIS complicated. 

 

Are there fast women in this world? Yes. 

 

Are there big women in this world? Yes. 

 

Are there strong women in this world? Yes. 

 

Now that those disclaimers are out of the way lets stop the nonsense. 

 

Some of the fastest women in the history of the world (Jeter, Jones, Joyner) have weighed between 128lbs and 150. 

 

Yes theyre fast. We’re talking about all-time fast. How strong are they? How big are they? A 128lb woman would DIE on a football field. Name me a single NFL player that weighs less than 150 (including kickers). Those sizes could only be used at WR or maybe CB. LB’s or safeties that weigh 220lbs+ would obliterate them. 

 

Lets go on opposite side of spectrum. Lets find a woman that is 6’5 and weighs 250. Can that woman run a 4.6 40? Can she put up 225lbs 20+ times? 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Not sure who taught you how to respect women, but I can tell you this ... they didn't do a good job.

Really? I mean let's say you were playing against a guy that happened to be smaller and weaker than you. Which would be more disrespectful beating them or refusing to play them.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Maybe someone can come up with the quote, but a prominent NFL player, RB I think, said something to the effect, "if my momma was on the football field and wearing the opponent's uniform, I would run over her...and I love my momma"

 

She plays safety so it's on her to do the tackling.  If you're on the football field in a game, I don't think that thought runs through you.  I think it's like "safety between me and the goal line,BAM, stiffarm"  Or if she hits you and you know you've been hit, well then.

 

Sort of like sparring a girl in Tae Kwon Do, that "oh, hold back" attitude lasts until she nails you then it's like "well all right then, let's go"

 

 

I know women athletes who could probably play football if they wanted.  They're feminine, but they're just as big and strong as the guys, 5'11, 6'1.  They say NBA players have a lot of respect for WNBA players - talent knows talent.

 

That said, at this time she doesn't look like she really has the size and strength for it.  So I say "same".

No you don't, because they don't exist. They can compete with average male athletes, but would never even come close to division 1 talent, let alone professional talent.

 

Everyone got so excited about that female basketball player from baylor who's 6'9" and could barely dunk... yet you have TONS of highschool boys under 6' who can do crazy dunks. Please don't deny reality, it looks bad.

[The Now Moment]

5 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

Haha. Lets break this down bc it really shouldnt be THIS complicated. 

 

Are there fast women in this world? Yes. 

 

Are there big women in this world? Yes. 

 

Are there strong women in this world? Yes. 

 

Now that those disclaimers are out of the way lets stop the nonsense. 

 

Some of the fastest women in the history of the world (Jeter, Jones, Joyner) have weighed between 128lbs and 150. 

 

Yes theyre fast. We’re talking about all-time fast. How strong are they? How big are they? A 128lb woman would DIE on a football field. Name me a single NFL player that weighs less than 150 (including kickers). Those sizes could only be used at WR or maybe CB. LB’s or safeties that weigh 220lbs+ would obliterate them. 

 

Lets go on opposite side of spectrum. Lets find a woman that is 6’5 and weighs 250. Can that woman run a 4.6 40? Can she put up 225lbs 20+ times? 

Who says they have to be that big?  Darren Sproles is 5'6" 190.  There are small players all over the league.  Tarik Cohen for the Bears is 5'6" 179.  I'm not saying it's likely but I'm also not saying it's impossible.  It just hasn't happened yet.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Really? I mean let's say you were playing against a guy that happened to be smaller and weaker than you. Which would be more disrespectful beating them or refusing to play them.

 

Great analogy.

 

Really.

[Big Gun]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who says they have to be that big?  Darren Sproles is 5'6" 190.  There are small players all over the league.  Tarik Cohen for the Bears is 5'6" 179.  I'm not saying it's likely but I'm also not saying it's impossible.  It just hasn't happened yet.

and never will.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who says they have to be that big?  Darren Sproles is 5'6" 190.  There are small players all over the league.  Tarik Cohen for the Bears is 5'6" 179.  I'm not saying it's likely but I'm also not saying it's impossible.  It just hasn't happened yet.

No, it's impossible

[bobobonators]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who says they have to be that big?  Darren Sproles is 5'6" 190.  There are small players all over the league.  Tarik Cohen for the Bears is 5'6" 179.  I'm not saying it's likely but I'm also not saying it's impossible.  It just hasn't happened yet.

 

Sir, have a good night. We’re talking past each other. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by bobobonators

[Big Gun]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who says they have to be that big?  Darren Sproles is 5'6" 190.  There are small players all over the league.  Tarik Cohen for the Bears is 5'6" 179.  I'm not saying it's likely but I'm also not saying it's impossible.  It just hasn't happened yet.

FWIW at the 2005 combine, Sproles 5'6" 187 lbs put up 225 lbs 23 times and ran a 4.48 40.

 

Remember Joe Morris, 5'7" 195 lbs, he benched 420 lbs and squatted 700 lbs. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3819466

 

Sorry but no woman is ever playing in the NFL