MJS Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: The idea that the patriots where gonna move into the top 15 or even move up for that matter was bs. Belichick dosent move up. He values his draft picks and wasnt given 2-3 picks to move up. The only thing the pats wpuld have done is move back to gain picks. Since belichick has been there this has been his mo The Pats value their draft picks as little as any team in the league. They trade them away all the time for players. I do agree that they see them as assets and wouldn't want to get rid of them for unproven talent, but sometimes it seems like they don't care about rookies as much as other teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: The Pats value their draft picks as little as any team in the league. They trade them away all the time for players. I do agree that they see them as assets and wouldn't want to get rid of them for unproven talent, but sometimes it seems like they don't care about rookies as much as other teams do. Last few years you are right. But it makes sense, you have an aging QB who is arguably one of the greatest of all time. You are in a win now mode, so you use your picks for established talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 i don't have a freaking clue how they will do, some seem to be teetering a bit more positive than the others.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 The thing I was always concerned about with Darnold was the turnovers And frankly......the jets is where QBs go to die...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The thing I was always concerned about with Darnold was the turnovers And frankly......the jets is where QBs go to die...... That's the truth. They have basically never had a franchise guy. Their best QB in franchise history threw more interceptions than TD's, but he did win them a Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) I don't know...I think Darnold will be a good one. If I'm the Jets, I can live with the turnovers in college. Sometimes you have to fail to know how to succeed, and it's much better to get those mistakes out of the way earlier (so long as they're learned from). It tells a QB "Okay, I can't do that. IMO, he'll be more "Favre-like" than Mayfield. He throws guys open, and isn't afraid to take some risks. He trusts his arm. Pass catchers will love that and love playing with him. He'll give his guys a chance to make a play on the ball. There's still some raw parts to his game, but he's probably the most "complete" QB in the draft. Add in the confidence you see in his play, and I think he's the most "can't miss" QB in the draft. To the point made in the OP, I do agree, but Allen is really the epitome of "boom or bust" IMO. He has the tools, especially for playing in Buffalo, but the accuracy has to improve. My train of thought is that, if a QB has less than about 62% completions in college, you should stay away. However, Allen didn't exactly have the best talent around him to work with. Beane mentioned yesterday that Allen looked much better at the senior bowl with better talent, and it's that idea that I'm holding on to. But as of right now, the Bills are lacking at WR, so that has to be a focal point going forward. 32 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Pats fans like our pick of Allen, Jets fans laughed. I trust Pats fans more. Why would you trust Pats fans over Jets fans? They're much more "fair weather" IMO. Edited April 27, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Re the Jets - Darnold at #3 or Rosen at #6 + 3 second round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: Re the Jets - Darnold at #3 or Rosen at #6 + 3 second round picks? The draft is funny business. You can't go off of hindsight to justify your point. Rosen was expected to go much earlier than he did, so the Jets did what they had to to put themselves in a better position to not miss out. They didn't want to have to potentially "settle" at 6. I've read the same kind of thing regarding Allen. People are complaining that the Bills could have gotten him at 12 and not had to give up picks, but that's a hindsight idea. There's no way to know what the Dolphins would have done, or Cardinals would have done, had the Bills not moved up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Danny Etling to Pats .... discuss he really sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Danny Etling to Pats .... discuss he really sucks Since the Patriots drafted him he will be a star obviously and better tham Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LABILLBACKER Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 8:42 AM, LeGOATski said: Me too. I think Darnold's gonna have a rough time with turnovers in the NFL. We gotta get Darnold out of the league....the Cheats and Sushi have no qb future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:10 PM, John from Riverside said: The thing I was always concerned about with Darnold was the turnovers And frankly......the jets is where QBs go to die...... Isn’t that the Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I was just thrilled that Rosen didn't drop into the Dolphins lap. I was angry enough that we passed over Rosen (at the time, I am much more in board with Allen now than I was then). I would have really lost it if Rosen dropped right the Fins at 11... So I was really happy when Arizona traded up to 10! lol I was so high on Rosen and Darnold before the draft (which is something I never do. I hate getting locked in on any 1 player because the chances the Bills take that player are slim). It would have really sucked to see both on other AFCE teams. I was never worried about the Pats taking any of the top 4 though. It never made sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Etling wont be on the team come september. They will get their qb next year or 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I'm on board with this. I would have been fine with any of the Top 4 not named Rosen. Attitude aside, the guy strikes me as skinny and fragile. For his sake, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him getting up after a big hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Dalton said: Since the Patriots drafted him he will be a star obviously and better tham Allen. Oh, it's a stroke of brilliance for sure and classic Belichick. In case you're wondering, " classic Belichick" is a term used ( glowingly) by the media that is defined as follows: A move Belichick has made in the past therefore it is genius OR a move Belichick has never made in the past so therefore it's brilliant. In a Jedi mind- trick sort of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Pretty sure all along the Jets draft board was Darnold first all the way and then Rosen and then Mayfield. Jets never thought they would have a shot at Darnold because Cleveland was going to grab him and if not the Giants would. The only QB they didn't want was Josh Allen - didn't fit their system that well. The Jets 'fake' love of Baker Mayfield may have induced the Browns to draft him first and not wait until 4th. No way were the Jets going to take Mayfield unless Darnold AND Rosen were off the board. 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: We gotta get Darnold out of the league....the Cheats and Sushi have no qb future... Darnold is going to dominate the AFC East once Brady retires. The Jets have some really good young players and a ton of cap room next year too. Add a couple of O-lineman, a pass rusher in free agency and they'll be good to go. After this year, watch out for the Jets. Interesting tidbit: The last time the Giants and Jets were in this position in the draft - when the Giants were ahead of the Jets at the top of the first round, the Giants took a running back and the Jets took Namath. The Giants GM wanted Namath but the owners handed in the card with the RB's name five minutes before it was their turn. The GM still regrets it. Painful for the Giants because Namath took NYC by storm and was the first real superstar football player in the NFL - babes, huge publicity, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 9:12 PM, LeGOATski said: Me too. I think Darnold's gonna have a rough time with turnovers in the NFL. or may be use his quick release to move the chains like Marino did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 On 2018-04-27 at 8:42 AM, LeGOATski said: Me too. I think Darnold's gonna have a rough time with turnovers in the NFL. That is our secondary’s specialty. Darnold vs Allen is going to decide this division for a long time. I hope we got the better guy. 5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I was just thrilled that Rosen didn't drop into the Dolphins lap. I was angry enough that we passed over Rosen (at the time, I am much more in board with Allen now than I was then). I would have really lost it if Rosen dropped right the Fins at 11... So I was really happy when Arizona traded up to 10! lol I was so high on Rosen and Darnold before the draft (which is something I never do. I hate getting locked in on any 1 player because the chances the Bills take that player are slim). It would have really sucked to see both on other AFCE teams. I was never worried about the Pats taking any of the top 4 though. It never made sense. I will say that Rosen’s post draft interview was pretty embarrassing. He might have trouble leading an NFL lockeroom. I was pretty high on him after watching film, but I am fine rolling the dice on Allen now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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