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  1. Wow, it's really fun seeing Bills fans are just as crazy as Jets fans. Let me ask you this - who would you rather have as your QB playing in a big game in the playoffs - Aaron Rodgers or Josh Allen? Allen is way more prone to mistakes and isn't as good of a passer or as smart, but a better runner obviously. Allen was seeing ghosts against the Jets if you watched both games last year - if we had competent QB play in the second game the Jets could easily have won both. Allen would much rather play the Chiefs or Bengals D than the Jets D. Rodgers played with a broken thumb for most of last year with no #1 receiver and is one year removed from MVP. Jets have a ton of weapons now with a stingy D. Bills seem to be losing ground to most people outside of the organization and it's fans. BTW, the Jets have a ton of talent on their Oline - their top 5 lineman were on injured reserve last year. That won't happen again. They most likely will have 3 #1 picks starting on the line next season. This team is primed to win the next two years - loads of young talent. BTW, both teams have leverage because GB will crush their cap if they keep Arod, he will make it miserable for them, and they would lose draft compensation if they wait. They are moving on from Rodgers and the Jets are the only team willing to take the huge contract. I think they give up a #2 this year and a conditional 3rd or 2nd if he plays next year. He's older and expensive. Packers are just as desperate as the Jets but don't seem to be as smart as Joe Douglas but we'll see. It will be fun to see what happens. I hope the teams stay healthy.
  2. If you are seriously asking why and not being facetious - where do I start? 1. Cleveland is getting killed for the pick and he's trying to soften the blow. 2. Why would they trade with the Pats and not the Bills? 3. The Pats didn't have enough capital with both 1sts and two seconds. 4. The Giants sprinted to take Barkely and didn't answer the phone. 5. Many teams had him as their 3rd or 4th best QB.
  3. Pretty sure all along the Jets draft board was Darnold first all the way and then Rosen and then Mayfield. Jets never thought they would have a shot at Darnold because Cleveland was going to grab him and if not the Giants would. The only QB they didn't want was Josh Allen - didn't fit their system that well. The Jets 'fake' love of Baker Mayfield may have induced the Browns to draft him first and not wait until 4th. No way were the Jets going to take Mayfield unless Darnold AND Rosen were off the board. Darnold is going to dominate the AFC East once Brady retires. The Jets have some really good young players and a ton of cap room next year too. Add a couple of O-lineman, a pass rusher in free agency and they'll be good to go. After this year, watch out for the Jets. Interesting tidbit: The last time the Giants and Jets were in this position in the draft - when the Giants were ahead of the Jets at the top of the first round, the Giants took a running back and the Jets took Namath. The Giants GM wanted Namath but the owners handed in the card with the RB's name five minutes before it was their turn. The GM still regrets it. Painful for the Giants because Namath took NYC by storm and was the first real superstar football player in the NFL - babes, huge publicity, etc.
  4. Bills are too far back for the Giants to make that trade and leave Barkely or Chubb on the board for someone else. Very little chance they don't pick Darnold if the Browns go Allen. The Bills will not get Darnold and I don't see the Jets getting him either. Gettleman hasn't really been into trading back over the years from what I hear.
  5. If the Browns pick Allen or a non QB, the Giants are all over Darnold and will not trade out. If Darnold is gone they may try and move to 5 with the Broncos and move back one spot if the Jets are up for it, but most likely not past 5. Bills only real trading partner is at 7 if a QB falls. The Browns will not trade back - they already have enough picks. They need quality players. Why move back and get two guys that will not be better than Barkley or Chubb. They already have two first round picks and a ton of other picks. They also will sit the QB, so they will be selling Barkley the first year. Makes no sense to trade out for the Giants beyond the 5th pick and lose out on Chubb, Barkley or Nelson if they don't take a QB because they will want to pick a marquee player to make a run now.
  6. I think it's pretty well known that if the Browns take Allen, the Giants will not be trading the pick and will grab Darnold. I don't think the Browns will trade at 4 either, since they like Barkely and Chubb a lot and have a lot of picks and need to start picking marquee players. Jets will pick Rosen, Browns will pick Barkely or Chubb, and then Denver will go Mayfield if they like him or take the other player the Browns did not. If they take Mayfield, the top 4 Qbs will be gone by pick 5 with no trading partners. What hurts the Bills is that this draft has about 7 or 8 blue chip players. I think it would be crazy to trade down to where you don't get one. The Colts said they didn't want to go down any further than 6. If the Browns take Allen or Barkely the Giants will not be trading the pick. BTW, Allen makes the most sense for the Bills. A big guy with a cold weather background, huge hands and can throw well downfield. Don't think Rosen would want to be in Buffalo or Cleveland and they will probably pick up on that. Rosen would be better off with the Jets or Giants based on the type of guy he is.
  7. This is why Josh Allen may be the best QB in this class and why he may go #1 overall. IMO, Mayfield will take more time to adjust to the NFL because he never played under center. Allen played on a lesser team with a bad line, below average receivers and didn't pad his stats with screen passes. Take a look at this post from another message board: I just learned a ton from this post on a message board on why comparing college QBs stats is an exercise in futility. I really want Rosen, but Allen would be my second choice after reading this. This is a great explanation that shows why comparing completion %, etc. amongst college QBs is near impossible based on how most systems are too far removed from the NFL Game. This was taken from another message board, but I learned a lot from it. Makes me really want Rosen or Allen. I really... really.... really.... despise stats at the NFL level. But I literally fall down laughing at them when someone compares the stats of college QB's. Trust me man.... this is useless information. But I'd be glad to explain it anyways. The first thing you need to understand is that college is different than the pro's. It's a bunch of young kids who have severely limited practice time via the NCAA. Therefore the game is based entirely on athleticism. The most effective systems in college are the Spread and Air Raid. The Air Raid for example is a conceptual offense that runs about 10 plays based on "concepts" rather than actual play calls. Your 5 year old could learn to run an Air Raid offense. Kids that come out of these systems have jacked up stats. Because the systems are entirely based on their athleticism. Previous QB's in these systems include Johnny Manziel who had EXCELLENT completion percentage and sucked balls in the NFL because he couldn't learn to run a timing offense to save his life. Josh Allen and Josh Rosen are in pure pro style offenses which are MUCH too complicated to run at the college level. Josh Allen's HC runs this type of system because he's trying to groom NFL QB's in order to get notoriety for his program. Carson Wentz came from the same system and was recruited by the same guy. Because Pro style systems are 100 times more complicated and much less effective their QB stats are not comparable to other college systems. Pro style QB's in college throw less TD's, have lower completion percentages, and throw more INT's. This is especially true if they are on a bad football team. Because the pro style offense is built on timing. It's an intricate machine in which every moving part has to be in the right place at the right time. There is predesigned footwork (developed by Paul Brown BTW) for every single throw. Go watch this and you'll have a better understanding of it. https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Video/QB-Walsh-part-1-of-7-8260141?View=Full Once you understand how footwork is intricately tied to the timing and accuracy of plays in a pro style offense then you have to determine three things to judge a guys accuracy (especially in college.) First.... does the line consistently give him time to execute his footwork properly? In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Second.... Do the WR's properly count their steps, avoid the press, and create the proper window at the proper time. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no. Third.... If the first two worked properly did the QB execute sound footwork and body mechanics delivering an accurate pass. In Josh Allens case the answer is hell no because it was impossible. But when he did..... he was very accurate and decisive. What we have here is a system that's much too complicated for college football. It's much less effective. His football team was consistently a 2 win team for a long time prior to his arrival. They are not good at recruiting. They are not even the best of the bottom of the barrel of a division 2 team. And yet Josh Allen led them to back to back 8 win seasons with bowl appearances. The kid was asked to be 100% of the offense. He learned some really bad habits. His coach basically said they knew they didn't have the talent to win so they crossed their fingers and chunked it almost every play. They didn't run the ball. They put it all on Allen and the kid made some amazing plays to keep them in football games. He needs to be retrained. But even with the bad habits he's still better prepared and less of a project than Darnold or Mayfield because they are both spread QB's. I firmly believe that Rosen is the best QB in this class. I'd take him in a heartbeat. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Allen may end up the best of the bunch and dare I say has HoF potential. He's tough as hell. Most of his games are in the ice and snow in Wyoming. He fights like hell. He just has a bad habit of throwing off balance and making ill advised throws because he had to. The kids a winner pure and simple. Whoever takes him is going to have some rough going if he starts as a rookie. Lots of people are going to call me a moron. But by his third year he could be the best in this class and possibly even one of the best in the league. I watch him play and see a lot of Favre and Brees when he was younger. Plus the kid has really quick feet. It's not going to be difficult at all to hone his footwork.
  8. The guy hit by my calculations at least 50 of his first 52 passes (one was off camera) - I only saw him miss one. At the end he was launching 80 yard bombs that the receivers couldn't catch even if it was placed well. Huge improvement in footwork which led to his accuracy going way up. Still in play for Browns because the guy can roll out and on a full run throw a dart to the sideline accurately. Biggest talent at QB in draft - will need a year to learn though.
  9. Yeah, right. DBs: Trumaine Johnson, resigned Claiborne to add to Adams and Maye in the secondary Crowell at RB - 4.2 yards per carry QB: McCown to mentor a top young QB you guys probably won't be getting ;), Bridgewater - both on 1 year deals. Next year rookie takes over and we cash in on Bridgewater if he plays well to recoup some picks. If rookie plays great we can cut Bridgewater and it only costs us $500,000. We had over 90 million and you're thinking 5 million is a big deal? McCown job is to mentor the young QB we pick at 3 (or 2). Best case scenario is that Browns trade into the #2 spot with the Giants from #4. Jets are a lock to get Rosen if that happens. That would mean Giants want Nelson or Chubb and grab some extra picks and still get who they want. Upgrade at center Upgrade at linebacker Depth on D-line And we're not done yet. Plus, we're getting Q back as our #1 receiver Top 3 QB in the draft - quite possibly top 2. Jet's will dominate the division for the next 10+ years once the young QB takes over. You guys had your time, Pats are coming to the end of theirs, Dolphins had theirs - this Jets team will take over in a year for a decade. Once we get rid of Bowles then we'll really be dangerous. A new owner would be great too, but that's much tougher to get.
  10. This is just wishful thinking. The Jets had $97 million in cap space and signed the best corner, a solid running back, a couple linebackers, a center - all young and in their first contract or just starting their second contract. Jet's haven't had a franchise QB since Namath and you think we're mortgaging our future? We had an extra second round pick and we didn't give up our first rounder for next year. Jets could still jump to Cleveland's #1 pick - screw the Giants. Also, history shows that picking a first round QB has a 67% chance of being a solid starter, compared to around 30% in the second round and it just goes south after that. Jets could pick the wrong guy - not like they are picking first, but I'm glad they made the move and didn't risk 4 QBs going in front of them, which would have been possible: Cleveland, Giants, (trade in Colts spot) and Broncos. The GM would have been canned if that happened. Bills will probably get to #6 and get a top guy if the Giants pick Barkely and Cleveland doesn't trade out.
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