klos63 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, mead107 said: Day of draft you didn’t know what he would become. Just like this year with the top 5 QBs no one has any way of knowing what will happen. That is why the meadcoins are on Riley Ferguson. Wouldn't move up at that time, coming off shoulder surgery, not a prolific college career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TC in St. Louis Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Cash said: Weird that you included this, since it's probably the best historical case against giving up a lot of picks for 1 guy. That trade laid the foundation for the Cowboys' 3 championships, and led the Vikings to mediocrity. To answer your question, I would give up a lot. But do I know what I'm giving up? I'd much rather include 1983's #12 overall (Tony Hunter) than #39 overall (Darryl Talley). But I'd only give up so much. Without 1984's 1st rounder, we probably don't land Cornelius Bennett. If we include 1985's 1st or 4th rounder, we lose Bruce or Andre. How good would those teams have been if it was Kelly and a bunch of stiffs? The other problem with this question is that I'd give up a lot for Kelly, because I already know how he turned out. What if you know there's a 50% chance Kelly turns into Ken O'Brien the moment you draft him? Still willing to give up as much? Of course I mean now. Who wouldn't give up a 6th for Brady? a 3rd for Montana? a 3rd for Wilson? 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: Knowing what we know now about Jim Kelly? I would say he would easily be worth an entire draft worth of picks or something like that. I do not think there is any QB in this year's class that is expected to be or is going to be close to Jim Kelly, however. Right. But if you believe he's your franchise guy, you gotta make a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: Of course I mean now. Who wouldn't give up a 6th for Brady? a 3rd for Montana? a 3rd for Wilson? Right. But if you believe he's your franchise guy, you gotta make a move. yeah, but where are we drafting, how far to move up.... not a real easy question to answer. Simple answer - you don't get cheap, you give up what's necessary to move into position to draft him, or you wait and draft Marino, since he went last in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Whatever it took to get Elway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Whatever it took to get Elway good answer - I'd go after Marino next, then Kelly 21 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: Of course I mean now. Who wouldn't give up a 6th for Brady? a 3rd for Montana? a 3rd for Wilson? Right. But if you believe he's your franchise guy, you gotta make a move. Does he still bolt to the USFL for 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I wouldn't draft him again, hands are to small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It is a dumb question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Actually, I would try to find who is at spot 14 and trade my 12th pick DOWN and pick up more draft capital knowing Kelly was a HOF QB in two spots later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: I know it's a dumb question; a moot point. However, in retrospect, if you had to move up in the draft for Jim Kelly, what would you have given up? Ditka gave up an entire draft to get Ricky Williams. The Vikings gave up a freakin' fortune to get Herschel Walker. The Rams gave up a ton to get Goff. The Bears jumped up like idiots to move up one spot in the draft. Having Jim Kelly lead our team for years. What's that worth? If the brass believes there is a guy who can take this team to the promised land, they are obligated to do whatever is necessary to get him. Do you people believe the Bills have zeroed in on one guy? I know they're not gonna tell us till Thursday (unless they move up and take Cleveland's number one pick). Nothing because its all a crapshoot and if I keep my picks and bide my time, QB Reggie Collier of Southern Miss. would have fallen into my hands in the 6th round. Good mediocre things come to those who wait. Plus, I could have used those picks to fill the many holes the Bills of 1983 had up and down the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 We have the benefit of hindsight in this evaluation. What is a HOF QB worth? I would argue 3-5 1st round picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 he was picked 14th so you wouldn't have to give up much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I’d give up Kelly to draft Marino. (fully aware Jimbo was fmdrafted ahead of him) 13 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: We have the benefit of hindsight in this evaluation. What is a HOF QB worth? I would argue 3-5 1st round picks A HOF QB is worth just about as many draft picks as you can give up. 14 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: We have the benefit of hindsight in this evaluation. What is a HOF QB worth? I would argue 3-5 1st round picks A HOF QB is worth just about as many draft picks as you can give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Buftex said: I'd give more for Alison Brie! She doesn't look the same to me anymore. I think she lost too much weight or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Trade down for more picks and take Marino. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: I know it's a dumb question; a moot point. However, in retrospect, if you had to move up in the draft for Jim Kelly, what would you have given up? Ditka gave up an entire draft to get Ricky Williams. The Vikings gave up a freakin' fortune to get Herschel Walker. The Rams gave up a ton to get Goff. The Bears jumped up like idiots to move up one spot in the draft. Having Jim Kelly lead our team for years. What's that worth? If the brass believes there is a guy who can take this team to the promised land, they are obligated to do whatever is necessary to get him. Do you people believe the Bills have zeroed in on one guy? I know they're not gonna tell us till Thursday (unless they move up and take Cleveland's number one pick). Would you trade up for a QB who says he won't play for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'd draft him in the 4/5th round ..... I just don't think he'd ever win a Super Bowl. just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: My wife Pics? I’d give at least a bucket of 50 wings. Blue cheese. Don’t even go there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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