Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, Peter said: I believe that, if we had an offensive line that was better in pass protection, he would have been just fine for us. As it was, he had some good games for us and, I think, at one time (perhaps still) he holds a Bills record for completion percentage or something like that. "Truly awful" does not accurately describe RJ's ability and betrays your bias. 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: You said that I am biased. How so? Read the paragraph where I wrote this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Peter said: Read the paragraph where I wrote this. The fact that I completely disagree with your assessment doesn’t mean I am biased. The facts argue against your unsupported assertions. Again, where Johnson’s mother was from or whether Flutie was a bad guy is completely irrelevant to the discussion about who was the superior QB. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: The fact that I completely disagree with your assessment doesn’t mean I am biased. The facts argue against your unsupported assertions. Again, where Johnson’s mother was from or whether Flutie was a bad guy is completely irrelevant to the discussion about who was the superior QB. The facts do not objectively show that RJ was "truly awful." RJ had a better QB rating and completion percentage than Jim Kelly so one can hardly say that RJ was "truly awful" unless one were completely biased. No, I am not saying RJ was better than Jim Kelly. Edited April 23, 2018 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peter said: The facts do not objectively show that RJ was "truly awful." A 34.5% winning percentage is awful. Having the highest sack to drop back ratio in the NFL is awful. Did you ever see him play? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: The fact that I completely disagree with your assessment doesn’t mean I am biased. The facts argue against your unsupported assertions. Again, where Johnson’s mother was from or whether Flutie was a bad guy is completely irrelevant to the discussion about who was the superior QB. People can’t seem to separate the personalities from the on field accomplishments even after all these years. Give me the biggest douchebag in the world as our qb. If we win games and are in the playoffs, that’s far more important than being a “good guy” but getting nowhere. We experienced enough of that the past 3 years. After 17 years of garbage, you’d think by now this wouldn’t even be an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: A 34.5% winning percentage is awful. Having the highest sack to drop back ratio in the NFL is awful. Did you ever see him play? I watched every minute that they both played. Again, the fact that RJ had a better completion percentage and QB rating than Jim Kelly certainly shows that he was not (in your words) "truly awful" unless one were COMPLETELY biased. [No, I am not saying RJ was better than Jim]. I also readily admit that I am biased about Flutie and feel the same way about Flutie as I do about his BFF in this photo with him. https://goo.gl/images/QChs7p Edited April 23, 2018 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Rob Johnson is just proving that he's still a Johnson. Flutie's autistic kid was why you didn't start over him? Did you really go there Bobby? Bottom line, winning counts, and you were not a winner. Flutie was, end of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peter said: I watched every minute that they both played. Again, the fact that RJ had a better completion percentage and QB rating than Jim Kelly certainly shows that he was not (in your words) "truly awful" unless one were COMPLETELY biased. I also readily admit that I am biased about Flutie and feel the same way about Flutie as I do about his BFF in this photo with him. https://goo.gl/images/QChs7p I think you are projecting your bias on to me. 3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Rob Johnson is just proving that he's still a Johnson. Flutie's autistic kid was why you didn't start over him? Did you really go there Bobby? Bottom line, winning counts, and you were not a winner. Flutie was, end of discussion. Pretty sad to blame your failure on an autistic kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: I think you are projecting your bias on to me. Whatever you want to think. I will let you get the last word if you want. I have posted more about this subject both while it was taking place and since than any other subject that people have discussed on this board. For the sake of efficiency, I will just incorporate all of my myriad posts on the subject. The fact is that neither QB was great. The only thing great about those teams was the defense and winning percentages had more to do with the defense in particular games than any other aspect of the team. In the meantime, I will take Thurman's word on what kind of teammate Flutie was. You guys can continue to re-litigate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: I don’t condone cheering when a player is injured, but it was a reflection of how truly awful Johnson was. More a reflection of how well Flutie played the PR game. Many fans really saw it as one or the other you can't like both. And the easy stereotype of Johnson was the surfer boy. Didn't matter that that really didn't fit who he was. 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Pretty sad to blame your failure on an autistic kid. Pretty sad to be so desperate to make your point you're willing to pretend that's what happened. You're looking more and more like a troll rather than a poster here. Edited April 23, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Yea Flutie is a dick Wouldn't know. Only met Rob "The Turd" Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Sky Diver said: I’m still bitter we traded for this bum and shafted Flutie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.amp I don't see any quotes from Johnson that would indicate he's still bitter. He's recalling his perception of the situation at the time. Nothing wrong with that. Johnson shouldn't be bitter anyway - he ultimately won the QB competition. Flutie was the one who was traded away while Johnson had the job all to himself in 2001 before he took a dump inside Ralph Wilson Stadium. Talbot does a good job but his titles/headlines are 100% clickbait. I wish he'd get away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Talbot does a good job but his titles/headlines are 100% clickbait. I wish he'd get away from that. Good call. This dude is Bush League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Not only did Johnson have an abysmal 34.5% winning percentage, he had the highest drop back to sack ratio in the NFL. The article shows that he has no self-awareness of just how bad he was. If he thinks he really though that he lost his starting job because of Flutie’s autistic son, he’s delusional. Edited April 23, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Rob Johnson career ended in 2003 at the age of 30. Flutie played until 2005 at the age of 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Not only did Johnson have an abysmal 34.5% winning percentage, he had the highest drop back to sack ratio in the NFL. The article shows that he has no self-awareness of just how bad he was. If he thinks he really though that he lost his starting job because of Flutie’s autistic son, he’s delusional. 55 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Rob Johnson career ended in 2003 at the age of 30. Flutie played until 2005 at the age of 43. So I'm starting to sense that you preferred Flutie to Johnson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 So am i but not with him even though i still don't like him as a QB we should be bitter with Ralph he was the one that made the decision to play him . RW did a lot of good things for this team but that wasn't one of them !! In a different situation it may have been alright but any dum ass knows you don't pull the guy that has played his heart out & was a huge reason why you got to the play offs that was a amateur move at best !! IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'm over it, still didn't think Flutie was useful in the playoffs, never was. And people still have this crush on the rodeo clown all this time later. I guess if you just missed Jim Kelly this could somewhat be explained.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Terrible comparison, but Flutie had 8 4th Quarter comeback wins and Taylor had 3. Did you actually see Flutie play? Quick question, the Bills defense was among the best in football when Flutie was QBing the Bills. Why were they behind so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Rob's Johnson should be power-slammed through a burning table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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