Peter King MMQB: 4/9/18.

[PIZ]

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[YoloinOhio]

Says Rosen will be in Buffalo on Wed.

[PIZ]

From a team studying the drafts QBs:

 

"If people see Carson Wentz when they look at Josh Allen, because they’re both big guys, they are making a massive mistake. Wentz was so ready mentally for the pro game. Allen needs a lot of work there. If you pick Josh, you are taking a raw, talented kid and banking the future on your coaches being able to take that raw talent and turn him into a great player. It’s a gamble for sure.”

 

From Gil Brandt:

"Josh Rosen and the questions        surrounding his desire: “I have zero questions about Josh Rosen. I have no problems with him at all.”

 

• Biggest surprise in the top 10:“[Notre Dame] tackle Mike McGlinchey. He’ll go in the top 10.”

 

• Player who will go higher than everyone thinks: “Will Hernandez, guard, UTEP. Reminds me of Mike Iupati—both drafted higher than anyone thought.”

 

• Draft invitee who fascinates Brandt:“Leighton Vander Esch, the Boise State linebacker. He’ll be the first man ever invited to the draft who played eight-man football in high school. He’s from Salmon River High School in Riggins, Idaho. A true rising star.”

 

More from Gil Brandt:

 

"You want to be the surest that you won’t be laughed at five years down the line with one of these quarterbacks? Pick Rosen. He’s a player. Lamar Jackson, immense talent, immense upside. Baker Mayfield is a guy like Drew Brees. He’s got velocity, good accuracy. We all undervalued Drew. But what you don’t know about anyone is which quarterbacks are gonna work like Drew Brees. Drew’s gonna work his ass off".

Edited April 9, 2018 by PIZ

[Brand J]

Dan Orlovsky had a scathing review of Josh Allen.

[whatdrought]

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

[Dkollidas]

38 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

That’s what I remember hearing as well. And that neither he nor Goff really deserved to be in the top 3-5 Picks... I think a lot of what’s helped these young QB’s is implementing more RPO and Spread into their offenses. 

[Lfod]

Just because of all the wild speculation I plan to keep tabs on all these QBs careers. I myself don't follow college ball and I usually don't read into the draft, but since we have ammo, I kept reading the speculation.

 

Darnold and Rosen seem to be favorites of this draft. I'm curious to see if they live up to the hype given to them. If not then mostly everybody was wrong on them. Except a few on here with injury concern on Rosen. Although Darnold to the Browns might not be his fault. So if he goes to Cleveland I might have to wait until no other team picks him up before I consider him busted out. 

 

Baker Mayfield is next up. I can see a split of opinion. I think more people like him then not so if he is not good then still a decent amount of people had it wrong and a decent amount had it right. 

 

Allen just isn't getting any hype or love around these parts. I can't consider him a top safe pick with the amount of negative people feel about him. I would say the Majority don't like him and actually use stats to back it up. So if he turns out amazing almost nobody gets to credit themselves for being right. 

 

Then you get guys like Rudolph and Jackson. These guys careers interest me the most because they are both underdogs in this draft. I've seen a few very strong supporters of both and if you few are correct feel free to remind everyone because the underdog is harder to get correct if you ask me. Nobody is expecting elite careers for these guys. 

 

Those are the QBs I will keep track of because they are the names I hear the most. Nobody is really talking about any QBs much beyond the 6.

 

What I am saying is that it will be interesting who got the easy picks wrong and the harder picks right. It was hard sometimes to read through all the speculation but I think I got an idea of how these QBs are viewed by fans. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Lfod

[longtimebillsfan]

19 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Just because of all the wild speculation I plan to keep tabs on all these QBs careers. I myself don't follow college ball and I usually don't read into the draft, but since we have ammo, I kept reading the speculation.

 

Darnold and Rosen seem to be favorites of this draft. I'm curious to see if they live up to the hype given to them. If not then mostly everybody was wrong on them. Except a few on here with injury concern on Rosen. Although Darnold to the Browns might not be his fault. So if he goes to Cleveland I might have to wait until no other team picks him up before I consider him busted out. 

 

Baker Mayfield is next up. I can see a split of opinion. I think more people like him then not so if he is not good then still a decent amount of people had it wrong and a decent amount had it right. 

 

Allen just isn't getting any hype or love around these parts. I can't consider him a top safe pick with the amount of negative people feel about him. I would say the Majority don't like him and actually use stats to back it up. So if he turns out amazing almost nobody gets to credit themselves for being right. 

 

Then you get guys like Rudolph and Jackson. These guys careers interest me the most because they are both underdogs in this draft. I've seen a few very strong supporters of both and if you few are correct feel free to remind everyone because the underdog is harder to get correct if you ask me. Nobody is expecting elite careers for these guys. 

 

Those are the QBs I will keep track of because they are the names I hear the most. Nobody is really talking about any QBs much beyond the 6.

 

What I am saying is that it will be interesting who got the easy picks wrong and the harder picks right. It was hard sometimes to read through all the speculation but I think I got an idea of how these QBs are viewed by fans. 

Do you have opinions on any of this draft class quarterbacks.    I would appreciate hearing your opinion so we can get a perspective in a couple of years.

 

I favor Rosen, Mayfield,  Darnold, Jackson, and Roudolph in that order.  If we must select from the second tier of quarterbacks, I would favor Falk and Lauletta.  

[Lfod]

36 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Do you have opinions on any of this draft class quarterbacks.    I would appreciate hearing your opinion so we can get a perspective in a couple of years.

 

I favor Rosen, Mayfield,  Darnold, Jackson, and Roudolph in that order.  If we must select from the second tier of quarterbacks, I would favor Falk and Lauletta.  

Well my opinion wouldn't be a very educated one. I would just be repeating what I read and having feelings about it. I really should just go watch the games they played. 

 

That is kinda why I want to keep track of these guys after all the speculation. The before/after picture is what I'm interested in now because I think I burned myself out on reading about the prospects. I want to know how much the picture changes after these guys play games. 

 

Just because you asked I'll say. Darnold then Rosen or Mayfield. I'm equal about those two. I hear good and bad about both. Rosen (injury) and Mayfield (character). The same for Rudolph and Jackson. They equal to to me in the sense I see good in both of them but the overall consensus is you wait till they fall. I think Jackson being very athletic will be his benefit over Rudolph some. I think Rudolph ends up on a better team then Jackson. 

 

Allen with the amount of concern about his stats. I'd have to agree with other people. I'd rather Buffalo not be the ones to test those waters. 

 

I wish more was being said about the guys after that but it's kind of quiet. The QB the Browns pick I won't call a bust unless like Johnny Manziel they never play for another team. 

 

If I'm the Giants I want Rosen because he just looks and talks like Eli. I don't know if that is just me. 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Lfod

[Ol Dirty B]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

 

I think you're pretty spot on about that. 

[CSBill]

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

 

Yes, you are correct. And like Allen, he came from a lower level of college play, so that too raised many questions.

 

[Buddo]

QBs these days seem to be being drafted almost purely on potential, and physical attributes. Allen simply has huge upside, and it probably helps that he should be a pretty intelligent guy, according to his wonderlic score.

I'm a bit old school with all of this, in that if a guy cannot come in and start immediately, then realistically, he shouldn't be a first round pick. That simply doesn't appear to be part of a standard for taking QBs however.

Bearing in mind that I'm certainly no expert, of the top 6 guys, the only ones who could come in and start immediately, in the right circumstances, are Rosen and Mayfield, with Jackson, oddly enough, an outlier. This is just what I have gleaned from reading stuff about them, and some limited film watching. Jackson makes the list, only due to his running ability, and the fact that the NFL can tailor an offense to make use of that immediately.

Those 'top six' guys, all need work. From the top 4, based off of 'NFL readiness', you would probably put them in an order that goes Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen. And then flip it when it comes to 'NFL Upside'. Little wonder there's so much debate about it all.

Tbh, I don't think that Brandt sheds any more light on the QBs than anyone else. He does say that he has no problems with Rosen as regards supposed 'attitude', at all. His final comment really is about finding a guy who is going to work as hard as Brees, after making the Mayfield/Brees comparison, but is in relation to all of the QBs.

[PIZ]

5 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

 

They said he was still in the development stage because of competition.  Big hands.  Big guy.  Not a huge arm.  Very smart.  Interviewed great.  Compared to Roethlisberger by some.  Bortles by others.  One thing he had in college, if I remember correctly, was that he was accurate.

[H2o]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Dan Orlovsky had a scathing review of Josh Allen.

From the mouth of God to all of our ears, gospel. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I could be wrong because I didn't follow that draft very closely, but didn't a lot of people think that Wentz was going to take time to develop? 

Not defending Allen, just wondering if I am remembering correctly? 

 

 

I dont think you're wrong, WD.

 

so weird, I know I am not the only who watched everything leading up to the draft and thought that Wentz was better, while pro-progs had Geoff almost universally first.

Edited April 9, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Lfod said:

Well my opinion wouldn't be a very educated one. I would just be repeating what I read and having feelings about it. I really should just go watch the games they played. 

 

That is kinda why I want to keep track of these guys after all the speculation. The before/after picture is what I'm interested in now because I think I burned myself out on reading about the prospects. I want to know how much the picture changes after these guys play games. 

 

Just because you asked I'll say. Darnold then Rosen or Mayfield. I'm equal about those two. I hear good and bad about both. Rosen (injury) and Mayfield (character). The same for Rudolph and Jackson. They equal to to me in the sense I see good in both of them but the overall consensus is you wait till they fall. I think Jackson being very athletic will be his benefit over Rudolph some. I think Rudolph ends up on a better team then Jackson. 

 

Allen with the amount of concern about his stats. I'd have to agree with other people. I'd rather Buffalo not be the ones to test those waters. 

 

I wish more was being said about the guys after that but it's kind of quiet. The QB the Browns pick I won't call a bust unless like Johnny Manziel they never play for another team. 

 

If I'm the Giants I want Rosen because he just looks and talks like Eli. I don't know if that is just me. 

 

 

No Rosen looks like a lab breed a person and a ferret.

[Tyrod's friend]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Dan Orlovsky had a scathing review of Josh Allen.

From Orlovsky ... 
 
You think Dick LeBeau Bill Belichek is easier to do it against? When he’s got Star Wars on the back end going on?

Goes right to my point of thinking a QB will make massive leaps forward in the pros. It's incredibly difficult to change the muscle memory once you get to the pros. If you don't see improvement in college - and I mean, legitimate growth - thinking it is going to come under the stress of the pro game you're really bucking huge headwinds.
 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Says Rosen will be in Buffalo on Wed.

can they hold him indefinitely ?  

[MrEpsYtown]

Trade up for Rosen at 2. Surest thing in a while and fits any type of offense. Big time prospect for a very long time. Smart and can make all the throws. Use that draft capital to bring that arm talent to Buffalo  

 

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

can they hold him indefinitely ?  

Don't let him leave the building!!!

Edited April 9, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[jrober38]

Please let us draft one of Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield. Lamar Jackson would make a nice consolation prize. 

 

If we pick Allen, and trade up to get him, I'm going to need to live in a padded room for a couple weeks, lol.