oldmanfan Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The notion that it is all 100% unpredictable and up to the football gods to decide is absurd. The knuckle heads running NFL teams need to improve their QB selection criteria. It's not 100% random, but close. What QB criteria would you add that aren't used now? I'd look for ability to process information quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Lamar Jackson detractors should read this, put it up on the fridge and remind themselves they do not know everything....and to read and listen more to those who do true evaluations and not just talking heads who continue to advance silly, petty ideas about what they "think" Jackson is or can become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 This is a statistical based model and college statistics are borderline meaningless. Cool story, but I don't really care about this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The notion that it is all 100% unpredictable and up to the football gods to decide is absurd. The knuckle heads running NFL teams need to improve their QB selection criteria. Or Play To The players talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On March 23, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Rad Likes The Bills said: Jackson at 12 and we will straight for a decade Is that good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: I'm starting to agree. Tape don't lie, and I think he's got all the other QB prospects beat there. Look at Russel Wilson's scouting report. The pros are all there "Can make every throw", "commands offense", "playmaker", "arm strength". The con was that he was short. Tape don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:04 PM, HappyDays said: Wow if I had made my own list it would have looked almost exactly like this. I'm torn between Darnold, Rosen, and Jackson, I have them all a step behind Mayfield but I can't tell you which of those 3 I would draft first. It doesn't matter. Just take one of them and be happy. I'm a Mayfield fan and would love to have him. But I'll gleefully take Jackson with our first pick and keep our remaining picks in our bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Is that good or bad? Bad Edited March 29, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Is that good or bad? i was insinuating it would be good hence the decade part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Rigotz said: This is a statistical based model and college statistics are borderline meaningless. Cool story, but I don't really care about this at all. Except you’re wrong. They can demonstrate the predictive accuracy of their metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:32 PM, MJS said: That's about how I feel about Josh Allen too. In fact, I'm pretty confused why anyone likes him. He's the biggest, strongest, smartest Quarterback in the draft. It's not that hard to figure out if you are willing to project these guys a little. Clearly these projection things factor college performance pretty highly...go figure the last two Heisman winners finish at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:00 PM, dbflaBill said: Mayfield is the best QB since Luck and its not even close. Only reason he is not the consensus number 1 is his height. Literally 2inches away. I've wanted him all year, but admit his height is a concern. That isn’t the only reason. He also didn’t run a pro style offense, didn’t have to go through his progressions often and ran an overabundence of screen passes (which is why his completion % is so high) and didn’t throw into tight windows that often. His guys were consistently “college wide open.” He also fails to set his feet before he throws way more often that you’d like to see - even when he has time to throw. He also had a habit of creating pressure where there was none. All that being said, his accuracy on the relatively few tight windows he thew into was good and he was phenomenal while under pressure. I like Mayfield and other than Rosen and Darnold he’s the guy I’d want the Bills to draft, but to claim it’s “only because of his height” that people aren’t high on him isn’t accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: He's the biggest, strongest, smartest Quarterback in the draft. It's not that hard to figure out if you are willing to project these guys a little. Clearly these projection things factor college performance pretty highly...go figure the last two Heisman winners finish at the top. That's your opinion and I don't agree. He has a strong arm. Just like JaMarcus Russel, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MJS said: That's your opinion and I don't agree. He has a strong arm. Just like JaMarcus Russel, huh? You don't agree with what? He is the biggest and strongest. That's not an opinion. He is also one of the fastest and most athletic outside of Lamar Jackson. Also a fact. He scored the highest of the major QBs on the wonderlich test...And he clearly has the strongest arm. His accuracy isn't nearly as bad purported, either. So again, it's not hard to see why he is a top prospect. Jamarcus Russell was a lazy idiot. All they have in common is the arm. It's a terrible comp. So is EJ Manual. EJ has a GREAT completion percentage in college and a super wonky delivery. Everybody wants Baker Mayfield to be Russell Wilson, but he is nowhere near Wilson physically. And he isn't nearly as smart as Brees. Not to mention all the other predictability issues...he could easily be Troy Smith. Edited March 29, 2018 by Mikey152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: You don't agree with what? He is the biggest and strongest. That's not an opinion. He is also one of the fastest and most athletic outside of Lamar Jackson. Also a fact. He scored the highest of the major QBs on the wonderlich test...And he clearly has the strongest arm. His accuracy isn't nearly as bad purported, either. So again, it's not hard to see why he is a top prospect. Jamarcus Russell was a lazy idiot. All they have in common is the arm. It's a terrible comp. Bust. I'll be happy when the Jets take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:00 PM, dbflaBill said: Mayfield is the best QB since Luck and its not even close. Only reason he is not the consensus number 1 is his height. Literally 2inches away. I've wanted him all year, but admit his height is a concern. If he's as good as advertised, then his height won't matter. It hasn't held Brees or Wilson back. It didn't hold Flutie back, either. The only red flag on Mayfield really is his height. Of course, being really tall didn't do much for Mike Glennon or Brock Osweiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 12:32 PM, MJS said: That's about how I feel about Josh Allen too. In fact, I'm pretty confused why anyone likes him. Allen and Jackson should drop to the late 2nd rd. They will probably be overdrafted due to QB demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:42 PM, kdiggz said: Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Trade all players of value. They did trade them but they waited until after the season. Trade them before the season and you try and win with who you have, sure, but with Peterman at QB and who knows at RB we go 3-13 like you said. We would have our QB plus a TON of picks by not having to trade up. Could you imagine? We would be super bowl contenders in 2 yrs. But hey I'm glad everyone liked that embarrassing 3 point playoff performance. Just know that it seriously hurt our rebuilding efforts. And what would be your suggestion for 2020 or 2021 or 2022 if all of the first round QBs in this draft bust, including the Bills #1 pick? Tank again? And again? In case you haven't noticed, perpetual losing too often becomes a cycle that's almost impossible to break as the Cleveland Browns (2005-?), Detroit Lions (2001-2009), Arizona Cardinals (1999-2006), Tampa Bay Bucs (1982-1996), Buffalo Bills (2005-2013) etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, SoTier said: And what would be your suggestion for 2020 or 2021 or 2022 if all of the first round QBs in this draft bust, including the Bills #1 pick? Tank again? And again? In case you haven't noticed, perpetual losing too often becomes a cycle that's almost impossible to break as the Cleveland Browns (2005-?), Detroit Lions (2001-2009), Arizona Cardinals (1999-2006), Tampa Bay Bucs (1982-1996), Buffalo Bills (2005-2013) etc All of the teams you listed didn't have a QB. Get a QB at all costs. Look at PHI and LAR. Do you think they feel bad about trading up for a QB? They went from nobodies to super bowl contenders in 1 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Interestingly - the score on Peterman - which says to me he's a backup at best. Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh (74) Mean Projection in Years 3-5: -245 DYAR Bust (< 500 DYAR) 71.6% Adequate Starter (500-1499 DYAR) 21.3% Upper Tier (1500-2500 DYAR) 7.0% Elite (>2500 DYAR) 0.2% Dobbs won the Tennessee job over Nathan Peterman, who then transferred and got two years as a starter at Pitt. Last year, he led these eight prospects with 10.1 adjusted passing yards per attempt (passing yards with a 20-yard bonus for touchdowns and a 45-yard penalty for interceptions). However, he did this against the easiest schedule of any of these eight prospects, ranked 59th in FBS, and with the benefit of an offensive line that's likely to get two linemen drafted in the first four rounds (guard Dorian Johnson and tackle Adam Bisnowaty). Combine these facts with a lower expected draft position, and QBASE is very pessimistic about his chances for NFL success. ------------------------------------------------------- Reading what the data says about Jackson makes me really hope he falls to us at 12 and we don't have to trade up at all... but who knows. And sort of scratch your head as to why he's mostly panned by the media. I suspect at least part of this is his "worry" that teams want to draft him as something other than a QB. Certainly the way he's being handled by his Mom does not seem to be helping his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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