Elite Poster Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The Jets just overpaid according to Mr JJ's chart. So we probably will have to overpay more than 15 measly Super JJ Points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Wow!!! I just looked at Yolo's thread about the rumored trade up and if it's true that's what the Bills proposed I was dead on Edited March 20, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: You're seriously underpaying if you think that's how we get to #2. I just think that won't get it done. Yeah I think that's about right. Might need to throw in a 4th rounder this year, though. A GM should do his HW and draft a QB in the top of the draft assuming, based on your scouting, that he's going to be a future HOFer. You don't refuse to go after that QB simply because the historical odds are he won't. Perspective check: 1. How often do you think HOF -caliber QBs are available in the draft? Are you saying tha a team should not draft a QB high in round 1 if they think that he will be good, but not necessarily a HOFer? 2. If you think the Bills can get to the 2nd pick, are there 2 certain HOF QBs in this draft? Edited March 21, 2018 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: Perspective check: 1. How often do you think HOF -caliber QBs are available in the draft? Are you saying tha a team should not draft a QB high in round 1 if they think that he will be good, but not necessarily a HOFer? 2. If you think the Bills can get to the 2nd pick, are there 2 certain HOF QBs in this draft? I would say that technically they all are since very few players make it in to the league without going through the draft. So technically, all HOF QBs were at one time available through the draft.......... But I know what your saying (and just making a joke) that not its not often that the early QBs drafted in the draft end up as HOFers. For every HOF QB drafted in the top 10 of the draft, you can probably count 10 that won't make it or flopped. The key to all of this is that to trade away the assetts that are most likely necessary for the Bills to move up this year, does anyone feel that any of the top 4 are future HOFers or in the elite category of starting QBs? Cause if not, then thats alot to give up for a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 5:57 PM, napmaster said: So if all of those picks are House Money and expendable then take this approach with the draft: #12 Lamar Jackson #22 Mason Rudolph #53 Luke Falk #56 Kyle Lauletta It's the same net result with 0 positon player help. Bet on the field as none of the Core 4 are can't miss prospects. LOL this has just a bit of insane logic to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 There is no "house money." The picks we have were gotten by giving up something in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Perspective check: 1. How often do you think HOF -caliber QBs are available in the draft? Are you saying tha a team should not draft a QB high in round 1 if they think that he will be good, but not necessarily a HOFer? 2. If you think the Bills can get to the 2nd pick, are there 2 certain HOF QBs in this draft? To the first question, you search for the best player in every draft at the time you're drafting. If you're drafting at the top of that draft... yeah, you're drafting a guy who you think could be a HOFer. Top of the draft yields more HOFers than any other area of the draft, plain and simple. Between 1936-1997 there were 111 former 1st round draft picks inducted into the HOF. 31% of all those guys were drafted as the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd picks of the draft. 12% of all those guys were the 1st overall pick. To the 2nd question, that's not my job, that's Beane's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm totally fine with them moving up in fact I strongly encourage them the last 17yrs should be proof enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 4:59 PM, Real McCoy said: If it's for their guy then go for it. I think we might trade up to 7-10 to get our guy though for a fraction. Problem is we don't know who "the guy" is? Wasn’t Zay Jones their guy last year? Or was he a Whaley pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: I'm totally fine with them moving up in fact I strongly encourage them the last 17yrs should be proof enough It's baffling to me that all Bills fans don't feel this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 My god. . .it's full of stars. I just had an epiphany - we are all having the exact same conversation over and over, day after day! ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Step 1) Find out who Cleveland is hopeful to get at 4 Step 2) Find out what non-QB the Giants want Step 3) Tell Cleveland the Giants are taking their guy Step 4) Trade with Cleveland Step 5) Tell the Giant they still get the same exact guy at 4 as 2, but get to screw the Jets Step 6) Profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Step 1) Find out who Cleveland is hopeful to get at 4 Step 2) Find out what non-QB the Giants want Step 3) Tell Cleveland the Giants are taking their guy Step 4) Trade with Cleveland Step 5) Tell the Giant they still get the same exact guy at 4 as 2, but get to screw the Jets Step 6) Profit I think the Browns are taking Darnold, particularly after what looked like a potentially historic pro-day for him, which is a shame because he and Mayfield are the 2 QBs I want most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 There is only 1 QB that I really like from this draft and that's Mayfield. Darnold would be the only other QB I might trade up for if Mayfield is drafted by the Browns. I think Rosen, Allen, Rudolph and Jackson all have major flaws, one or two will be a surprise drop out of the 1st rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: There is only 1 QB that I really like from this draft and that's Mayfield. Darnold would be the only other QB I might trade up for if Mayfield is drafted by the Browns. I think Rosen, Allen, Rudolph and Jackson all have major flaws, one or two will be a surprise drop out of the 1st rd. Well this is a nice surprise... you and I prioritize the QBs in this class in almost exactly the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Ya know I really think this just needs to happen soon. Sweetening the pot for the Giants offering both of our 1sts and both of our 2nds should do it. Or if Darnold is truly the guy we covet, add next year's 1st and this year's 3rd to that pot for the Browns at #1. Though ideally we wait until draft day and watch Mayfield slide out of the top 5 and just throw both of our 1sts to the Colts in a trade up to 6... but damn... this waiting is gonna kill me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ya know I really think this just needs to happen soon. Sweetening the pot for the Giants offering both of our 1sts and both of our 2nds should do it. Or if Darnold is truly the guy we covet, add next year's 1st and this year's 3rd to that pot for the Browns at #1. Though ideally we wait until draft day and watch Mayfield slide out of the top 5 and just throw both of our 1sts to the Colts in a trade up to 6... but damn... this waiting is gonna kill me!!! I will be amazed if CLE trades out of 1. It honestly is near impossible, their fan base would kill them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I will be amazed if CLE trades out of 1. It honestly is near impossible, their fan base would kill them... Yeah it's not happening. Sashi is gone. John Dorsey isn't dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yeah it's not happening. Sashi is gone. John Dorsey isn't dumb. yup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: I will be amazed if CLE trades out of 1. It honestly is near impossible, their fan base would kill them... Dorsey could almost justify the move if he truly likes a QB other than Darnold like Allen or Mayfield a lot considering he's still got the 4th pick and he'd pick up 2 more 1st rounders this year alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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