wppete Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Btw, at #12, as it stands, I'd take Quenton Nelson if he's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 This regime is not going to draft a quarterback, just to take one. If Rudolph is there in the third, he is worth a pick. I still like the upside of a guy like Lauletta or even White more than Rudolph. Just now, Chicken Boo said: Btw, at #12, as it stands, I'd take Quenton Nelson if he's there. If we stay it's going to be Smith or Edmunds. I don't think Nelson is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If Rudolph were "their guy", they could have stayed at 21 and 22 w/o the need to move up at all. If Rudolph were "their guy" they could get a stud defensive player at 12 and possibly still get him at 22. I don't believe that is what the Bills want to do but it might be a good fallback position if there is a run on qbs. I still believe, as I think you do, that the Bills will make a concerted effort to move up to get their preferred, or more preferred qb. If I had to guess I believe that the Giants and the Colts will be the teams we will do business with to move up the board. Denver might be another team in play in the mix for us to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JohnC said: If Rudolph were "their guy" they could get a stud defensive player at 12 and possibly still get him at 22. I don't believe that is what the Bills want to do but it might be a good fallback position if there is a run on qbs. I still believe, as I think you do, that the Bills will make a concerted effort to move up to get their preferred, or more preferred qb. If I had to guess I believe that the Giants and the Colts will be the teams we will do business with to move up the board. Denver might be another team in play in the mix for us to deal with. Reaching for a QB in the 1st isn't the answer. It's done far too often with little to no reward. I hear Beane talk about value of players quite a bit and IMO Rudolph does not merit a 1st round selection based on what kind of player he is or can be. Edited March 17, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Have you seen any of Rudolph's games? If yes, then tell me why you are so opposed and please don't say he is from a "gimmick offense" unless you can tell me why it is such a gimmick. Everyone has a highlight reel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Raching for a QB in the 1st isn't the answer. It's done far too often with little to no reward. I hear Beane talk about value of players quite a bit and IMO Rudolph does not merit a 1st round selection based on what kind of player he is or can be. For most positions I agree with your take. With respect to the qb position I have no problem with drafting a round earlier. It would make no sense to draft Rudolph at the 12 spot but I don't see it being unreasonable to take him with the lower first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Rudolph is definitely under rated. Who knows but I could see him being drafted higher than some of the bigger names. He is a big dude and a 4 year starter. Those some good balls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: For most positions I agree with your take. With respect to the qb position I have no problem with drafting a round earlier. It would make no sense to draft Rudolph at the 12 spot but I don't see it being unreasonable to take him with the lower first round. It matters who the QB is in addition the position itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: And you love it. Are you of the opinion that QBs that don't have "1st round talent" (whatever that is) can't have a successful career or be a franchise guy? Which of this years crop do you consider to be 1st round talent and are indeed franchise worthy? Tell me, what did you learn from it? Seriously? Its pretty obvious. You don't a QB for the sake of doing so because you need one when the guy you are taking is an inferior prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If Rudolph is their guy, they should still be trying to get to 2. You don’t trade up to 12 and hope that a franchise QB is sitting there and only you know about it. You go get him. Can’t play the “I’m smartet than every other GM” game. You’ll get burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: If Rudolph is their guy, they should still be trying to get to 2. You don’t trade up to 12 and hope that a franchise QB is sitting there and only you know about it. You go get him. Can’t play the “I’m smartet than every other GM” game. You’ll get burned. They moved up to 12 to sweeten what they had to offer to teams with high picks. It still hasn't been enough to this point. But make no mistake, they have a backup plan if plan A fails completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: They moved up to 12 to sweeten what they had to offer to teams with high picks. It still hasn't been enough to this point. But make no mistake, they have a backup plan if plan A fails completely. Again, if Rudolph is even their back up plan there are too many teams also looking to stay put st 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: Again, if Rudolph is even their back up plan there are too many teams also looking to stay put st 12. I'm not disagreeing, although I don't think it's Rudolph. Anyway, a smaller move up ( less expensive) is likely to happen. It's just not as likely to happen before the draft starts. They have to be sure they can get the targeted player , so NYG at 2 is probably the only way to do that. I don't think the NYG want to trade out of that spot, that's why the Jets settled for 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I believe Rosen, Darold, Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson all have a chance to be that based on a combination of physical ability and other traits required to play the position at a high level in the NFL. Instead of questioning everyone else, why don't you tell us why he is a potential franchise QB who's worthy of a 1st round selection. Ok - so a franchise QB should have a combination of physical ability and other traits. I can't possibly top that in depth analysis. BTW, I'm not questioning everyone. Just you. re: EJ and what was learned? I learned nothing, other than they're all crap shoots. What did you learn? Wait. I know....he didn't have the physical ability and other traits. I think i got it now. 10 minutes ago, DJB said: Seriously? Its pretty obvious. You don't a QB for the sake of doing so because you need one when the guy you are taking is an inferior prospect. You're right. I just learned this from a "prominent" poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, inaugural balls said: Ok - so a franchise QB should have a combination of physical ability and other traits. I can't possibly top that in depth analysis. BTW, I'm not questioning everyone. Just you. re: EJ and what was learned? I learned nothing, other than they're all crap shoots. What did you learn? Wait. I know....he didn't have the physical ability and other traits. I think i got it now. You don't have it actually. Articulate why Mason Rudolph is worthy of being selected in the 1st round and what makes him a potential franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I'm not disagreeing, although I don't think it's Rudolph. Anyway, a smaller move up ( less expensive) is likely to happen. It's just not as likely to happen before the draft starts. They have to be sure they can get the targeted player , so NYG at 2 is probably the only way to do that. I don't think the NYG want to trade out of that spot, that's why the Jets settled for 3. I don’t think the Giants wanted to trade with the cross town team and I also think the Jets didn’t have enough capital. It would have taken their 1st in 2019 to get to #2, that wasn’t going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You don't have it actually. Articulate why Mason Rudolph is worthy of being selected in the 1st round and what makes him a potential franchise QB. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You don't have it actually. Articulate why Mason Rudolph is worthy of being selected in the 1st round and what makes him a potential franchise QB. Never said he was. Though it's possible an organization may think so. I'm not a scout.....nor do I pretend to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If Rudolph is their guy, they should trade down. Maybe Cinci would be interested in moving up from 21 to 12. Rudolph will be available there still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 McCarron college stats compared to this years top QB's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If Rudolph were "their guy", they could have stayed at 21 and 22 w/o the need to move up at all. maybe it's not him they are moving up for. at 12 there could be a big time playmaker available. if they really like rudolph (as opposed to moving obscene amounts of draft capital to take a swing) then nabbing him at 22 may be the play. use the rest of the picks to fill in around him, strengthen the team overall. just a "what if". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, swnybillsfan said: maybe it's not him they are moving up for. at 12 there could be a big time playmaker available. if they really like rudolph (as opposed to moving obscene amounts of draft capital to take a swing) then nabbing him at 22 may be the play. use the rest of the picks to fill in around him, strengthen the team overall. just a "what if". That would be disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That would be disappointing. it would certainly be anticlimactic. the speculation has been incredible so far this offseason, and we have a way to go yet. it's not exactly what i would want to have happen, but there are many teams that want a qb, just look what the jets gave up to move up three spots! i would love for the bills to get "their guy", whoever that may be. but i would bet these guys have plans A, B, C, D, E, and F all laid out. and i am also pretty sure they have values attached to everyone. so, in the process i shall trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: If Rudolph is their guy, they should still be trying to get to 2. You don’t trade up to 12 and hope that a franchise QB is sitting there and only you know about it. You go get him. Can’t play the “I’m smartet than every other GM” game. You’ll get burned. So now we're trading up to 2 to get MASON !@#$ING RUDOLPH? What are you chuckleheads smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Domdab99 said: So now we're trading up to 2 to get MASON !@#$ING RUDOLPH? What are you chuckleheads smoking? Wow, comprehension problem? Lets try again, if the Brandon Beane believes Mason Rudolph is this franchises next franchise QB then you go get him. You don’t sit at 12 and wait for “your guy” to come to you otherwise you may be left empty handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Wow, comprehension problem? Lets try again, if the Brandon Beane believes Mason Rudolph is this franchises next franchise QB then you go get him. You don’t sit at 12 and wait for “your guy” to come to you otherwise you may be left empty handed. No, I understood you completely. Even if Beane believes Rudolph to be THE GUY, he'd be a fool to move up to 2 to take him. An absolute fool. Why? Because Rudolph can be had at 22..certainly at 12. And I'll bet you that he could even be had in the 2nd round. You don't move up when you grade a guy as drastically better than everyone else does...you move down, collect some extra picks, and still get your guy. Learn something about what you're talking about before you get all snippy, Gomer. Edited March 17, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: No, I understood you completely. Even if Beane believes Rudolph to be THE GUY, he'd be a fool to move up to 2 to take him. An absolute fool. Why? Because Rudolph can be had at 22..certainly at 12. And I'll bet you that he could even be had in the 2nd round. You don't move up when you grade a guy as drastically better than everyone else does...you move down, collect some extra picks, and still get your guy. Learn something about what you're talking about before you get all snippy, Gomer. Nope you still haven’t understood. Still have a reading and comprehension problem problem I see. I’m not talking about where you believe Rudolph is ranked or where you think he can be had. I’m not talking about where I believe Rudolph should be drafted or where is can be had. The thread is about Rudolph being “the guy” that Beane really wants. If that is the case, then Beane ranks him higher than Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, etc. And if Beane thinks that, he is THE GUY, he needs to go get him. I know this may be difficult to understand but if Beane thinks Rudolph is the best QB in the draft and his guy, guess what, other GMs may have come to that conclusion too. Why would you risk losing out on Rudolph or whoever because you think your smarter than any other GM in the league? All it takes is Arizona jumping in front or the Dolphins taking him for “your guy” to be going to another team. So I’ll say it again, if Brandon Beane believes Mason Rudolph is his guy, he needs to go get him. Did you just say you don’t move up for a guy you grade drastically better? Are you suggesting the Jets should have traded down and still got their guy? ?? Are you sure it’s me that needs to learn? Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Everyone has a highlight reel... Those are not highlight reels. Check it out before commenting. 4 hours ago, DCOrange said: If Rudolph is their guy, they should trade down. Maybe Cinci would be interested in moving up from 21 to 12. Rudolph will be available there still. You know that how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: Those are not highlight reels. Check it out before commenting. You know what? Rudolph is terrible. I’m not going to sit through every damn game he’s played in. He is not a first round QB and the vast majority of people feel the same way. Now now go sit on your porch and yell at the cars that are driving too fast down your street Edited March 18, 2018 by Seanbillsfan2206 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: You know what? Rudolph is terrible. I’m not going to sit through every damn game he’s played in. He is not a first round QB and the vast majority of people feel the same way. Now now go sit on your porch and yell at the cars that are driving too fast down your street Nice well informed opinion. Thanks for that contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Nice well informed opinion. Thanks for that contribution. You too. Your knowledge is overwhelming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If Rudolph were "their guy", they could have stayed at 21 and 22 w/o the need to move up at all. maybe they want some guy at another position that would not be there at 21? they have to draft positions other than QB maybe a guy like Van der Esch, who compares in many ways to Luke Kuechly. Edited March 18, 2018 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: maybe they want some guy at another position that would not be there at 21? they have to draft positions other than QB maybe a guy like Van der Esch, who compares in many ways to Luke Kuechly. That we realize, but have you heard Beane talk about how important acquiring a franchise QB is to the future of the Bills? I haven't heard that much emphasis being put on MLB by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Go to NFL.com and draft ratings and compare their grade on Nate Peterman to their grade on Rudolph. They have Peterman with a slightly higher grade. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Rudolph love is asinine. He's a future backup with little upside. AJ McCarron grade slightly higher than both. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497 Edited March 18, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 10:28 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Go to NFL.com and draft ratings and compare their grade on Nate Peterman to their grade on Rudolph. They have Peterman with a slightly higher grade. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Rudolph love is asinine. He's a future backup with little upside. AJ McCarron grade slightly higher than both. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497 Just as importantly people should actually watch some of his games. Edited March 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Just as important people should actually watch some of his games. Its weird. I don't know if people are looking at his size and statistics and projecting something that isn't there. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That we realize, but have you heard Beane talk about how important acquiring a franchise QB is to the future of the Bills? I haven't heard that much emphasis being put on MLB by him. Van Der Esch was just an example of a McBeane type fit that they could have moved for. It could be any position. I just pointed to that one as a reasonable example. Maybe they have 2-3 QBs ranked all very close and are ok not spending the farm for one of them. Sam Darnold is the only guy I can really see a team sacrificing a good chunk of the draft for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: Van Der Esch was just an example of a McBeane type fit that they could have moved for. It could be any position. I just pointed to that one as a reasonable example. Maybe they have 2-3 QBs ranked all very close and are ok not spending the farm for one of them. Sam Darnold is the only guy I can really see a team sacrificing a good chunk of the draft for. He's a borderline 1st round pick because of measurables and not someone who requires a trade up. Darnold will be gone at pick one IMO, so I believe they like someone else enough to move up and hopefully it would be Rosen if they get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's a borderline 1st round pick because of measurables and not someone who requires a trade up. Darnold will be gone at pick one IMO, so I believe they like someone else enough to move up and hopefully it would be Rosen if they get it done. like I said, that is just an example of a guy who maybe they want. It could be an OT, 3 technique DT, Edge player etc. so they went up to 12 to get whoever that it is. back to the OPs point maybe Allen and Rudolph and someone else at QB are all rated similarly and they will move from 22 with another pick/s to get that guy. Just trying to make the point the move to 12 wasn't necessarily done for a qb, maybe it was. We will see in a few weeks. Edited March 18, 2018 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Rudolph will be there in the 2nd !@#$ing round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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