26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: It's almost like it's exactly what you and I have been saying all along to every person who keeps saying "GET FOLES HURR DURRR" Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/10/2018 at 10:11 AM, Reed83HOF said: Buffalo Sports Page @buffsportspage 32s32 seconds ago @greggabe: Right now I think it's going to be a rookie & Nate Peterman at QB for the #Bills next season. i wouldn't be surprised if it was mayfield or rudolph with nate starting. i think the fo may really think they can get results from nate and use that fa cap money towards building the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i wouldn't be surprised if it was mayfield or rudolph with nate starting. i think the fo may really think they can get results from nate and use that fa cap money towards building the team. Not happening. This regime is all about culture and leadership. There will be a vet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Were you quoted when I posted this? You didn’t quote anyone. I assumed you wanted everyone to read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: You didn’t quote anyone. I assumed you wanted everyone to read it Yeah. Anyone who's gung ho about Foles without considering the Eagles' perspective. He apparently already knew the line of thinking so it wasn't for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah. Anyone who's gung ho about Foles without considering the Eagles' perspective. He apparently already knew the line of thinking so it wasn't for him. I thought you were indicting he mistakening said something about Bills' interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i wouldn't be surprised if it was mayfield or rudolph with nate starting. i think the fo may really think they can get results from nate and use that fa cap money towards building the team. I will eat my hat if they trade Foles: a: The risk of Wentz not ready to start the season b. The chance of re-injuring his leg or getting a new injury isn't c. defending their SB title is not worth it to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah. Anyone who's gung ho about Foles without considering the Eagles' perspective. He apparently already knew the line of thinking so it wasn't for him. I’m gung ho about Foles. I’m assuming anyone who isn’t didn’t watch the Super Bowl. Or pay any attention to the playoffs. Chris mortenson knows about as much as anyone else. Which isn’t a whole lot. He can make his assumptions, and I’m not saying they’re wrong, but I have a hard time believing anything from anyone this time of the year. Look at all the deals made on Friday. Nobody saw those coming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’m gung ho about Foles. I’m assuming anyone who isn’t didn’t watch the Super Bowl. Or pay any attention to the playoffs. Chris mortenson knows about as much as anyone else. Which isn’t a whole lot. He can make his assumptions, and I’m not saying they’re wrong, but I have a hard time believing anything from anyone this time of the year. Look at all the deals made on Friday. Nobody saw those coming Yeah. He's just a guy with actual contacts within the league who has conversations with league executives like Howie Roseman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah. He's just a guy with actual contacts within the league who has conversations with league executives like Howie Roseman. Yeah. Kinda like rappaport and every other expert that predict wrong outcomes. Yeah. I forgot to add....yeah Edited March 11, 2018 by Seanbillsfan2206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yeah. Kinda like rappaport and every other expert that predict wrong outcomes. Yeah Rapoport gets things wrong sometimes as every situation is fluid. But they still have sources inside that tell them things. Regarding your giddiness about Foles, his career includes many more games than his playoff hot streak that are part of what is to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The Colts are not moving on from Luck. Or if they are, it's because there is nothing left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I will eat my hat if they trade Foles: a: The risk of Wentz not ready to start the season b. The chance of re-injuring his leg or getting a new injury isn't c. defending their SB title is not worth it to them. Been saying this since the 1st Foles thread appeared during the playoff run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yeah. Kinda like rappaport and every other expert that predict wrong outcomes. Yeah. I forgot to add....yeah Mort is way more connect than a Rappaport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I would be pissed if we traded anything more than a 2nd rd pick for Foles. This is just my opinion but I think If Foles, Cousins and AJ McCarron are starters that McCarron will put up the better stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Mort is way more connect than a Rappaport... That’s cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 13 hours ago, PIZ said: Anyone heard a 2nd + Cordy Glenn for Foles? I have not, and I would think Howie Roseman would chuckle politely and ask if your Pro Personnel department is now hiring In case you're serious, Hint: the Eagles have a pro-bowl LT signed through 2019. His name is Jason Peters. Then they won the Superbowl with a 2nd year LT drafted in the 5th. No interest in Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yep. Pretty expensive insurance policy. Maybe Roseman should call Geico. All I know is that he'll have spoiled milk on his hands if he goes into the season with Foles on the roster. At best he'll get a team with an injury during the season to give him a pick for a playoff rental Foles--and that probably would not be a 1st and a 4th. His trade value is at a premium now, before the draft. Roseman should seriously think about signing a guy like McCown for his "insurance" QB and getting as much as possible for a guy like Foles who he's going to lose for nothing if he gets too cute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: Pretty expensive insurance policy. Maybe Roseman should call Geico. All I know is that he'll have spoiled milk on his hands if he goes into the season with Foles on the roster. At best he'll get a team with an injury during the season to give him a pick for a playoff rental Foles--and that probably would not be a 1st and a 4th. His trade value is at a premium now, before the draft. Roseman should seriously think about signing a guy like McCown for his "insurance" QB and getting as much as possible for a guy like Foles who he's going to lose for nothing if he gets too cute... It's not expensive when you look at their QB cost as a whole is about $15M. They are trying to repeat as SB champions and having Foles around with Wentz uncertain to sart 2018 is intelligent management no matter how desperate Bills' fans try to spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not expensive when you look at their QB cost as a whole is about $15M. They are trying to repeat as SB champions and having Foles around with Wentz uncertain to sart 2018 is intelligent management no matter how desperate Bills' fans try to spin it. Not expensive in money. Expensive in the lost opportunity to have two good players via draft picks to keep the team stocked after Foles leaves next year. 3-D chess, not checkers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: Not expensive in money. Expensive in the lost opportunity to have two good players via draft picks to keep the team stocked after Foles leaves next year. 3-D chess, not checkers... 3-D chess is winning another Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: 3-D chess is winning another Super Bowl. We'll see, but I look at the Pats approach to SB runs and the one thing they are is ruthless about churning their roster to keep the draft capital flowing. Standing still and hoping to recaputure lightning is an iffy proposition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: We'll see, but I look at the Pats approach to SB runs and the one thing they are is ruthless about churning their roster to keep the draft capital flowing. Standing still and hoping to recaputure lightning is an iffy proposition... They just beat the Patriots with Howie Roseman doing it his way and keeping Foles with Wentz uncertain is smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have not, and I would think Howie Roseman would chuckle politely and ask if your Pro Personnel department is now hiring In case you're serious, Hint: the Eagles have a pro-bowl LT signed through 2019. His name is Jason Peters. Then they won the Superbowl with a 2nd year LT drafted in the 5th. No interest in Glenn. Not sure you're right. Lots of Eagles sites say OT is their biggest need. The most recent CBS mock has them taking an OT and lists OT as it's biggest need. "Instead, the attention on offense should be on the line, where Jason Peters is coming off a torn ACL that caused big problems once Halapoulivaati Vaitai was thrust into a starting role. Finding a second tackle to pair with Lane Johnson long-term is paramount and could be most logical use of the team's first-round pick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They just beat the Patriots with Howie Roseman doing it his way and keeping Foles with Wentz uncertain is smart. That game was a coin flip. Just as likely to lose the next one with a year older roster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, PIZ said: Not sure you're right. Lots of Eagles sites say OT is their biggest need. The most recent CBS mock has them taking an OT and lists OT as it's biggest need. "Instead, the attention on offense should be on the line, where Jason Peters is coming off a torn ACL that caused big problems once Halapoulivaati Vaitai was thrust into a starting role. Finding a second tackle to pair with Lane Johnson long-term is paramount and could be most logical use of the team's first-round pick." The Eagles can't take on Glenn's contract with the cap issues they already have to deal with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: That game was a coin flip. Just as likely to lose the next one with a year older roster.... That's the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: That's the spirit. Those are COOOOOOOL!!! Me wanty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Those are COOOOOOOL!!! Me wanty.... Amazon. I bought 2 pair last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The Eagles can/will/should (continue to) say that they want a 1st and 4th for Foles so as to potentially maximize the return for him. It's not unlike the Bills claiming they wouldn't cut TT and would be fine paying his $6M roster bonus so as to get a team (like the Browns) to bite. But it doesn't mean anyone will offer anything close to that, or that they would never trade him unless they got that, so Mort's info isn't really new or even worth much. They'll either trade him or they won't and Mort has no idea what they'll really do. But those thinking they can simply make a move here or there to get under the cap are grossly misinformed. The Eagles need to be under the cap in in a little under 74 hours, and they are currently $11.2M over it. If they want to be players in FA, they need to free up another $5M at least. Then they'll need to find another $5M to sign draft picks, and another $4M for injuries. So they're looking at needing to clear $25M or so when all is said and done, and restructuring just kicks the can down the road while designating guys post-June 1st loads up 2019 with a lot of dead cap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: The Eagles can/will/should (continue to) say that they want a 1st and 4th for Foles so as to potentially maximize the return for him. It's not unlike the Bills claiming they wouldn't cut TT and would be fine paying his $6M roster bonus so as to get a team (like the Browns) to bite. But it doesn't mean anyone will offer anything close to that, or that they would never trade him unless they got that, so Mort's info isn't really new or even worth much. They'll either trade him or they won't and Mort has no idea what they'll really do. But those thinking they can simply make a move here or there to get under the cap are grossly misinformed. The Eagles need to be under the cap in in a little under 74 hours, and they are currently $11.2M over it. If they want to be players in FA, they need to free up another $5M at least. Then they'll need to find another $5M to sign draft picks, and another $4M for injuries. So they're looking at needing to clear $25M or so when all is said and done, and restructuring just kicks the can down the road while designating guys post-June 1st loads up 2019 with a lot of dead cap. Thank you. Somebody should point out to Mort that the desperate entity here really is Philadelphia, then Arizona. But Arizona can target Cousins, Keenum, etc. For teams that are looking for a one year bridge, Foles will be more expensive to acquire than Tyrod - but not a lot more expensive. Any team - let's say Denver - can get a player like Teddy or AJ McC or McCown and have them sign a two year deal full of incentives but no real commitment in terms of dollars. And that player doesn't come with a price tag of draft picks. The lost opportunity of traded picks, in the inflationary world of the New NFL is obscene. Don't expect that any other team in the NFL is going to make the same mistake Cleveland just made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They just beat the Patriots with Howie Roseman doing it his way and keeping Foles with Wentz uncertain is smart. Yep. They could wait until the trade deadline to trade Foles and net a draft pick, keeping their insurance until the end of October. We'll see, but they don't need to trade the player right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep. They could wait until the trade deadline to trade Foles and net a draft pick, keeping their insurance until the end of October. We'll see, but they don't need to trade the player right now They don't necessarily need to trade Foles, but they absolutely need to get under the cap in 71 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 19 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So in essence. Tyrod Taylor who we just traded away. Want better 19 hours ago, Ittakestime said: I find it funny that some people on here think you are getting playoff Foles. I hate to break it to people, but Foles is somewhere between last year playoffs and his Rams stint. Not worth much. 18 hours ago, MAJBobby said: And yet in his entire career has never maintained a starting job. I am amazed how many people just hate the idea of getting top end QB play and want to settle I have no idea if Philly will trade Foles. They have only 15 million invested between Foles and Wentz this year and to be honest I would probably keep him for insurance if I was them. We know they have to get under the cap but I am not familiar enough with them to know what their options might be. That said, I think it is completely ridiculous for people to say that Foles has always been mediocre before his magical playoff run, as if it is just some fluke. His 2013 passer rating was the 3rd highest in NFL history going back to at least 1941. Aaron Rodgers 2011 and Peyton Manning 2004 are the only ones higher. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_single_season.htm. He also had the highest TD to Int. ratio ever recorded. The next year he broke his collarbone and got shipped off to Fishers Rams and since has been a backup to Smith in KC and Wentz in Philly. At 6'6" 245 lbs he is a prototypical pocket passer, he flashed brilliance in his 2nd season, got kicked around the league then when he got another chance he flashed brilliance again in an epic playoff run culminating in a Super Bowl win and MVP over Tom Brady and the hated Patriots. So he may not be available but get the !@#$ out of here with this he sucks bull ****. We wish we had a qb who sucked like that. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, Doc said: They don't necessarily need to trade Foles, but they absolutely need to get under the cap in 71 hours. now i am intrigued. ty. will be watching this unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Lurker said: Pretty expensive insurance policy. Maybe Roseman should call Geico. Seems to me that insurance policy paid out when it bought the Eagles an NFC Championship and a Superbowl after their starter went out for the season. I don't think the Eagles are looking to change insurance carriers just yet. I'm also not up for telling the GM of the Superbowl champions how he should run his ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: now i am intrigued. ty. will be watching this unfold. No matter what happens, it will be a very interesting off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Does anyone know how close to the number they need they will get if they cut/trade Vinny Curry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Does anyone know how close to the number they need they will get if they cut/trade Vinny Curry? I’ve read that cutting him will save $5 million. Still need to clear another $6.2 million. And they lose a productive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I have no idea if Philly will trade Foles. They have only 15 million invested between Foles and Wentz this year and to be honest I would probably keep him for insurance if I was them. We know they have to get under the cap but I am not familiar enough with them to know what their options might be. That said, I think it is completely ridiculous for people to say that Foles has always been mediocre before his magical playoff run, as if it is just some fluke. His 2013 passer rating was the 3rd highest in NFL history going back to at least 1941. Aaron Rodgers 2011 and Peyton Manning 2004 are the only ones higher. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_single_season.htm. He also had the highest TD to Int. ratio ever recorded. The next year he broke his collarbone and got shipped off to Fishers Rams and since has been a backup to Smith in KC and Wentz in Philly. At 6'6" 245 lbs he is a prototypical pocket passer, he flashed brilliance in his 2nd season, got kicked around the league then when he got another chance he flashed brilliance again in an epic playoff run culminating in a Super Bowl win and MVP over Tom Brady and the hated Patriots. So he may not be available but get the !@#$ out of here with this he sucks bull ****. We wish we had a qb who sucked like that. You say all that without realizing he was a FA twice and both times signed to be a back up. All of a sudden four games later and he is a franchise QB?!? Don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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