Nebillzfan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I think price would be a great pick. I think for the 22nd pick I am down with defensive tackle but would be alright with bpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: I like Price and mentioned the Bills and him a fit in an earlier post...but if the Bills are sitting at 21 and no QBs are available...they failed. With all the picks we have this year and the picks we have next year you get your QB by any means necessary. Well, what if the Bills only like one QB, and they can't trade up high enough to grab him because he went #1? Are you one of those who just wants a first round QB and any of the ones the pundits like will do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: Or maybe they find their swing man in the draft or through FA. I thought Groy was pretty solid. He didn't have the savvy of Wood but was much more physical. Yeah, I didn't realize he's actually bigger and stronger than Wood. Was a great signing to keep him here IMO. Any combination like that, and Im ok to roll into next season. Put Vlad on the bench for emergency use only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well it's not ideal buddy... I am over TT being our starting QB but if our only other option is Peterman... I'll take TT lol Oh I get it, I just hope it doesn't come to that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. That's my question too. If the Bills draft a plug and play center, what will be different about the 2018 season for me as a Bills fan to think that the Bills will start Groy at guard ahead of Miller/Ducasse? Free agency will answer some of the questions we all have (and probably cause a few new ones to be raised. I'm not going to get too tied in to what I think the Bills should do in that first round of the draft until free agency changes the picture to whatever degree that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Well, what if the Bills only like one QB, and they can't trade up high enough to grab him because he went #1? Are you one of those who just wants a first round QB and any of the ones the pundits like will do? I'm one of the ones that believes that the incoming crop has enough depth in it there should be at MINIMUM 2 that they feel confident in. One goes, you move heaven and Earth to get the next. I don't necessarily want a 1st round pundit favorite. Do not want Mason Rudolph. Still iffy at best about Jackson. But there are enough talented QBs this year to land one with the ammo we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I don't think we should be killing birds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me I like this plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. I'd rather see Buffalo aggressively pursue the QB and fill those positions in with your 2-4th rounds or medium priced UFAs. Problem is, they've drafted poorly beyond round 2 for a long time and haven't found the value there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, Magox said: Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did. I do wonder about that. In fact, it seems as if he was quite serviceable. For what it's worth, he was rated as average by PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 If they can't get the QB they want I think Billy Price is definitely the pick at 21. Then at 22 take Don Payne to help out our D. Heck maybe even take Isaih Wynn at 22 and let Shady do work behind a good line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: Not if you have a turnstile at RT. Plenty of teams are lining their best pass rushers up against the RT, or whoever the weak point of the line is. It's been YEARS since we got strong play out of RT, I was under the impression Dawkins was drafted to shore up RT (they also pursued Ricky Wagner in FA) and it was happy accident he played well as a plug in at LT. I think this was the plan at the draft that got derailed by Glenn's injury. The Bills haven't had a good pair of bookends at OT in forever ... it's why the Bills need to keep Glenn if he's healthy however tempting it might be to trade him. Unless they need to use him to move up to get the QB they want, I wouldn't like that they traded him. 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: I think Miller goes back to starting RG. He'll be close to his old form before the Dennison scheme weeded him out. Groy can start at C if need be, but ideally, he remains the C/G swing man. If somehow we Do manage a starting C in the draft or FA, and get Miller back in for Ducasse, or line would look alot better. And with Cordy's age/health, he might be best served as our RT. Starters would look really good like Dawkins/Incognito/Price,Groy, FA/ Miller/Glenn I agree except for the OTs. See my thoughts above. Glenn's foot is either going to be fixed by surgery or it's not; for an OLer, it can't really be allowed to be a chronic condition. So, if Glenn comes back healthy, his health isn't a factor. Neither is his age since most OTs can play into their mid/late thirties these days. More importantly, while Dawkins played well as a rookie, he didn't play LT as well as Glenn does when healthy. He may also be physically better suited to play RT than LT (since he was originally drafted to play the right side). I think the entire OL except Ducasse struggled adjusting to Dennison's blocking scheme, which suggests that none of them are particularly physically well suited to it, so they would probably all benefit from a switch. Resurrecting Miller would be a major win for the Bills because they could then concentrate on adding youngsters at guard/center to eventually replace Incognito and Groy. 11 minutes ago, Magox said: Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did. Ducasse was a bust as a second round pick of the Jests, and has bounced around the league since as a backup guard. He didn't suddenly improve because he moved to WNY. He improved because his linemates struggled. 33 minutes ago, kdiggz said: I don't think we should be killing birds Killing starlings, house sparrows, and monk parrots (all non-native species) is okay. Others, no ... although you may feel differently if a family of crows decide to nest in your neighborhood. 25 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. I'd rather see Buffalo aggressively pursue the QB and fill those positions in with your 2-4th rounds or medium priced UFAs. Problem is, they've drafted poorly beyond round 2 for a long time and haven't found the value there. You got that backasswards, sir. Having a good OL makes all but the most incompetent QBs better, and it can make a good QB more successful than a great one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoTier said: I think this was the plan at the draft that got derailed by Glenn's injury. The Bills haven't had a good pair of bookends at OT in forever ... it's why the Bills need to keep Glenn if he's healthy however tempting it might be to trade him. Unless they need to use him to move up to get the QB they want, I wouldn't like that they traded him. I agree except for the OTs. See my thoughts above. Glenn's foot is either going to be fixed by surgery or it's not; for an OLer, it can't really be allowed to be a chronic condition. So, if Glenn comes back healthy, his health isn't a factor. Neither is his age since most OTs can play into their mid/late thirties these days. More importantly, while Dawkins played well as a rookie, he didn't play LT as well as Glenn does when healthy. He may also be physically better suited to play RT than LT (since he was originally drafted to play the right side). I think the entire OL except Ducasse struggled adjusting to Dennison's blocking scheme, which suggests that none of them are particularly physically well suited to it, so they would probably all benefit from a switch. Resurrecting Miller would be a major win for the Bills because they could then concentrate on adding youngsters at guard/center to eventually replace Incognito and Groy. Ducasse was a bust as a second round pick of the Jests, and has bounced around the league since as a backup guard. He didn't suddenly improve because he moved to WNY. He improved because his linemates struggled. I hear what you're saying about the foot. Is it his left foot, or right? I guess that would factor into his spot on the line. Bum left foot can still play the left, as he's pushing off with the right, and vice versa. And IDC what the money is, if he can man Either OT spot, he should be a starter for us. Although I must admit...after seeing the Rook play well at LT, I'd be hard pressed to move him at this point. He may well have walked into a nice second contract because of injury, and I'd be just fine with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Well it's not ideal buddy... I am over TT being our starting QB but if our only other option is Peterman... I'll take TT lol Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Is there a hand in a bush somewhere in this story? Not sure we want to go there ToC and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Title should have read "Bills can get 2 birds stoned at once" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Get two birds stoned at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Probably insurance for wood if he went down... can't lose your swing center to injury playing guard... especially now that we know that wood had a neck stinger this year So, why would Groy play guard this year, when he’s the backup center? Or do we have to draft 2 centers, price and his backup. Sorry if this has has been asked and answered already. Just started reading the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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