reddogblitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: To be fair, the Bills scored 24 against the Jets in 2016, not 31. There was a defensive TD, plus 7 of those 24 were in absolute garbage time. That Steelers game wasn't remotely close. More garbage time points - a td with one minute to go. Points count the same no matter who scores them or when. I was at that Steelers game and although the offense didn't do much either, that was the worst exhibition of "tackling" I've ever seen in my entire football watching career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: This doesn't mean anything on whether or not the Bills are going to keep him. If they pay the $6 million, he's much easier to trade. Not only that, but his contract is so cheap for the position that it's not a huge hit to them if they have to eat some money. $10 million for a serviceable but mediocre starter with "potential" and/or a quality backup at the QB position is good value that other teams would likely be interested in. This is actually smart if the Bills hope to get something in return for him. ...exactly.......with 2017 contracts expiring on 3/14 as well as start of FA, the roster bonus due 3/16 is a gun to McBeane's head......instead of sacrificing a pick, opposing GM's would sit back and wait for his possible release, figuring McBeane wouldn't pay the $6 mil....he now takes that off the table and the gun away from his head, hoping to get a pick.....a potential new club gets him with a $10 mil salary...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Points count the same no matter who scores them or when. I was at that Steelers game and although the offense didn't do much either, that was the worst exhibition of "tackling" I've ever seen in my entire football watching career. until the fins game right after that....... man those were some frustrating games to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Great! How come his stats for a 16 game season don't compare favorably to other NFL starters? Also, is he the only starter who has guys get hurt, or gets injured himself? Or do other guys play games without some of their WRs or miss games entirely and still put up better numbers? That's the problem here. I'm fine with making the comparison: let's take 16 of Tyrod's best games over 2 seasons where he had all of his "legit NFL starters" and compare them to the 16 best games over 2 years of every other starter when THEY also had all of their "legit NFL starters" healthy. THEN we can see whether his play actually WAS average, below average, well above average or whatever. Without that it's all meaningless. 27 TD and 6 INT was the stat. Cool. IT means nothing because there is ZERO CONTEXT. In 2016, there was only one team (the San Diego Chargers) that was missing it's #1 and/or #2 WR for more games then the Buffalo Bills and Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Joe Thomas sounds like a guy who is moving on from football. Has a bright future covering the game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: My gut sense is that McDermott and Beane like Taylor more than a lot of people think they do. I don't think they think he's a great qb, but I suspect they view him as a tough-minded gamer who has the total respect of his teammates (which is very likely the case). He can also game-manage the team to victories more often than not. Assuming you're going to draft a qb in the first, getting rid of him for an unknown doesn't seem like a wise move on the face of it. This... exactly and precisely this! 4 hours ago, jmc12290 said: You simply cannot make this statement without a league wide comparison of every QB and their top 2 targets during that 2 year period. I did it a long time ago for a one year period: 2016. Only the Chargers #1 or #2 WR missed more combined games than Woods and/or Watkins. Taylor has been dealing largely with a makeshift NFL WR corps for the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: And his numbers dipped as expected, right? I would never say Tyrod is equal to Rodgers, but if losing your 1 has an effect on Rodgers you have to expect it to effect a lesser QB as well imo. Cam Newton won MVP under the same circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Cam Newton won MVP under the same circumstances. Outside of TDs, which were admittedly high, his passing numbers were not good that year. Around 235 yards per game I believe. He won MVP with his legs. Brady threw for 900 more yards, 1 more TD, and 3 fewer INTs that year. Brees threw for over 1,000 more yards in 1 less game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, BigDingus said: This doesn't mean anything on whether or not the Bills are going to keep him. If they pay the $6 million, he's much easier to trade. Not only that, but his contract is so cheap for the position that it's not a huge hit to them if they have to eat some money. $10 million for a serviceable but mediocre starter with "potential" and/or a quality backup at the QB position is good value that other teams would likely be interested in. This is actually smart if the Bills hope to get something in return for him. What would we be able to get for him in a trade though? I really can't see any team giving more than a 6th or 7th for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Outside of TDs, which were admittedly high, his passing numbers were not good that year. Around 235 yards per game I believe. He won MVP with his legs. Brady threw for 900 more yards, 1 more TD, and 3 fewer INTs that year. Brees threw for over 1,000 more yards in 1 less game! Outside of the points he directly scored, his numbers weren't that good? Okay..... He threw for ~800 yards more than TT's career high. Had 45 TD's to TT's career high of 24. Let's repeat that. Cam personally scored 147 more points that year. 147. Would love to see Taylor tied to that same measure LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Outside of the points he directly scored, his numbers weren't that good? Okay..... He threw for ~800 yards more than TT's career high. Had 45 TD's to TT's career high of 24. Let's repeat that. Cam personally scored 147 more points that year. 147. Would love to see Taylor tied to that same measure LOL. And now, as per usual, you've begun arguing a point nobody made. Have a good weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: And now, as per usual, you've begun arguing a point nobody made. Have a good weekend. I'm comparing TT to his peers. Apparently, it's "really bad" when your #1 or #2 target misses 47% of the time. Except when they miss >50% of the time and you win MVP. Then, maybe, not so bad? Have a good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: The best thing for Tyrod is for him to be released early, preferably while the stupid money is flowing in the first days of free agency. The long the Bills hold him the more he is going to lose in terms of pay. The team benched him in the middle of a playoff run AFTER letting him go test the market a year ago and then making him take a huge paycut to come back. Can it be any more obvious that they don't see him as "the guy" here? Shake hands, cut the man loose, and let him continue his career with a fresh start. This is getting stupid. Um, when exactly did the Bills let Tyrod go to"test the market" and come back? Hint: look at the date FA started, and the date on Tyrod's renegotiated contract. Meaning no offense to Tyrod, but I really don't GAF what's the best thing for him. He's under contract to the Bills, and I want them to do the best thing for the Bills. 5 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Well, one thing this $6mil bonus signals, for those who think Peterman is a better option than Tyrod, is that McD, et al, do not. We'll wait and see what happens on March 16th shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 9 hours ago, dave mcbride said: My gut sense is that McDermott and Beane like Taylor more than a lot of people think they do. I don't think they think he's a great qb, but I suspect they view him as a tough-minded gamer who has the total respect of his teammates (which is very likely the case). He can also game-manage the team to victories more often than not. Assuming you're going to draft a qb in the first, getting rid of him for an unknown doesn't seem like a wise move on the face of it. I think you've pretty well got it. I think the $6M thing was both a warning shot across the bows to GMs who may think "wait for the Bills to cut Taylor" that they better chat up Mr Beane, as well as a ranging shot that if they make the right offer, they can have Taylor for $10M salary - but the Bills are looking for the right offer, not "whatever we get before March 16th" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 13 hours ago, GG said: Just a reminder that Matt Shaub looked more than adequate in a Dennison offense, and no reason to believe that Foles would have been a horror show Just a reminder to the reminder that Matt Schaub had Arian Foster and Andre Johnson in their primes and one of the top offensive lines in the league. And Gary Kubiak was calling the plays, so Dennison's involvement in his success is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: And now, as per usual, you've begun arguing a point nobody made. Have a good weekend. Don't worry, that's just what he does. He gets owned so much in some of his ridiculous arguments and then just tries to twist everything around as much as possible confusing the issue, pretending like he "won," which oddly enough he seems to care waaaaayyy too much about (so much so that he can't typically see the forest for the trees) and then suddenly turns into some juvenile claiming he won an argument he never won. Sometimes he'll make a good point, though... sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I just woke up from a dream, Beane inked Taylor to a lifelong contract. Yiiiiikes. Scarier than a pair of Meryl Streep's panties. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 18 hours ago, JohnC said: I'm not advocating for Cousins. He's not worth what he will garner from the market. But I disagree with your stance that his numbers would be comparable to Taylor's. The difference is that Cousins can read defenses and get rid of the ball. And he is a much better passer. What do you think Tyrod's value would be on the open market compared to Cousins being on the market? There would be suitors for Cousins and zero suitors for Tyrod at the price that the former Redskin is commanding. I meant Foles not Cousins. 18 hours ago, kdiggz said: he looked pretty jacked in that movie. he played a RB on the show Friday Night Lights. the Bills shoulld give him a workout, assuming he could pass the ped tests! He was a QB not a RB. QB for the wrong side of the tracks school. 15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: The problem with your theory of "that ship has sailed" is that McBeane will have a "fair market value" in their heads of how much they expect to give up and in return of such a trade. I agree that's what plan A almost certainly is to do exactly what you said. But if you think plan B, where Buffalo doesn't get what they feel is fair market value and so keeps Taylor for 1 more year while also drafting a QB in the 1st... I think you're being naive. Well put it this way.... if nobody offers anything then Tyrod is their vet. But I think they will take the best trade offer they have. If that is a 7th (I don'f think it would be) then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 16 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Bledsoe was terrible! Why does the myth persist? After his first 8 games (i.e., over the next 40), he was one of the worst qbs in franchise history. How good is Tyrod Taylor u are definitely overrating that bum. He's a front runner when things are going good he shows up when we get behind by 3pts basically mail it in. At the end of the day Taylor doesn't even get close to checking the boxes as far as playing the position. No anticipation, No vision, No Timing, inaccurate, doesn't lead Wrs open, doesn't give them a chance to gain yds after the catch. U catch my drift. Yes he's the QB that helped end the drought by no means did he carry this team to the playoffs. He's a 3rd teir starter. We need to move on and stop wasting our time. 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I meant Foles not Cousins. He was a QB not a RB. QB for the wrong side of the tracks school. Well put it this way.... if nobody offers anything then Tyrod is their vet. But I think they will take the best trade offer they have. If that is a 7th (I don'f think it would be) then so be it. So were gonna pay 6mil to acquire a 7th? That's what i call horrible management of your cap. We can get a quality starter with that 6mil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: So were gonna pay 6mil to acquire a 7th? That's what i call horrible management of your cap. We can get a quality starter with that 6mil. I think we will get more than a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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