26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Surprised to see them rated so highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I guess the zone blocking scheme was better for pass blocking than for run blocking. Oh, and Taylor still took a dump truck load of sacks. There is no way you can put that on the oline. Just his style of play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I guess the zone blocking scheme was better for pass blocking than for run blocking. Oh, and Taylor still took a dump truck load of sacks. There is no way you can put that on the oline. Just his style of play. Right. It's all Taylor's fault. If only he didn't try to extend plays when the defenders were in on him almost before he got the snap ... thanks to that wonderfully "efficient" OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 What a dumb thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, SoTier said: Right. It's all Taylor's fault. If only he didn't try to extend plays when the defenders were in on him almost before he got the snap ... thanks to that wonderfully "efficient" OL. The stench of desperation is overwhelming. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Surprised to see them rated so highly. I believe that Tyrod's escapability at times would mask their flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, H2o said: I believe that Tyrod's escapability at times would mask their flaws. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. His escapability is a double edged sword. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, MJS said: I guess the zone blocking scheme was better for pass blocking than for run blocking. Oh, and Taylor still took a dump truck load of sacks. There is no way you can put that on the oline. Just his style of play. He also made a lot of defenders miss which probably helps that rating.... Of course we cant talk about that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: He also made a lot of defenders miss which probably helps that rating.... Of course we cant talk about that right? yes we can but how many sacks were because of Taylor's inability to read the defenses thus throwing the receiver open ? Don't want to argue with a fellow Riverside Countian ... just don't see an way TT could be a Super Bowl QB in Orchard Park......and if not, we must find one who IS capable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: yes we can but how many sacks were because of Taylor's inability to read the defenses thus throwing the receiver open ? Don't want to argue with a fellow Riverside Countian ... just don't see an way TT could be a Super Bowl QB in Orchard Park......and if not, we must find one who IS capable My fellow Riversidian I think the sacks are more running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage then not throwing the receivers open (which is also a problem) It will be interesting to see how this number goes up or down with the incoming qb whoever that is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: He also made a lot of defenders miss which probably helps that rating.... Of course we cant talk about that right? Nothing to talk about. He sucked and played himself out of a job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Nothing to talk about. He sucked and played himself out of a job. Ryan, Can you stay on topic? Tyrod says he is sorry about your sister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I never understand PFF tbh.... From an eye test, they're at best middle of the road. Tyrod definitely got himself into trouble, and they definitely didn't help him out at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 People slam Castillo a lot (not saying it's unwarranted...) but our o line did pas protect better under him. IIRC that was the case when I looked at his o line's numbers in previous stops. His o line's were usually pretty good in pass protection. Thats something that that could be important depending on what the Bills do at QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Our pass pro was terrible against talented fronts. The only reason were rated high is cuz tyrod starts to move in and out the pocket when he cant read the coverage properly. This OLine was garbage this passed season. Look at the LAC game or @ NYJ or...you know what fkc it. Our offense sucked bagski this season. Thanks Dennison! Edit: Castillo also gets an award for making a flawed offense even worse. Edited February 13, 2018 by FearLess Price 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: He also made a lot of defenders miss which probably helps that rating.... Of course we cant talk about that right? I suppose it depends on methodology- was pff separating qb play from offensive line play in this metric? I don’t love pff but they tend to be good about that type of distinction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Ryan, Can you stay on topic? Tyrod says he is sorry about your sister The topic has nothing to do with whoever Ryan is or my sister pal. It’s about a 2nd ranked OL that was thrown under the bus because #cot all year long. Hope they can keep it up for Darnold, Rosen, or Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Our pass pro was terrible against talented fronts. The only reason were rated high is cuz tyrod starts to move in and out the pocket when he cant read the coverage properly. This OLine was garbage this passed season. Look at the LAC game or @ NYJ or...you know what fkc it. Our offense sucked bagski this season. Thanks Dennison! Edit: Castillo also gets an award for making a flawed offense even worse. I don't believe this metric has anything to do with the QB. Many pressures aren't the OL's fault. Edited February 13, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 proves what we knew. Taylor held on to the ball too long on many plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: The topic has nothing to do with whoever Ryan is or my sister pal. It’s about a 2nd ranked OL that was thrown under the bus because #cot all year long. Hope they can keep it up for Darnold, Rosen, or Baker. Actually Ryan It has nothing to do with the supposid COT either who does not play on the field but in your delusion I would not expect you to understand that. I am quite sure a new QB will be there for you to blame....who it is not quite clear yet. 2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: proves what we knew. Taylor held on to the ball too long on many plays. Yes he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Boyst62 said: What a dumb thread 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 But Tyrod never has enough time to throw ....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Hemet said: He also made a lot of defenders miss which probably helps that rating.... Of course we cant talk about that right? We can. Q: why? Could it be because he held that ball too long waiting for a guy to get separation / open? 3 steps or 5 steps then pass. Not 3 steps or 5 steps then look the. scramble then look the scramble then pass or take a sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: We can. Q: why? Could it be because he held that ball too long waiting for a guy to get separation / open? 3 steps or 5 steps then pass. Not 3 steps or 5 steps then look the. scramble then look the scramble then pass or take a sack. Its a nice concept but TT just couldnt do it.....would not pull the trigger. He does some nice things on roll outs and bootlegs.......he runs the option well....he is just not a pure thrower of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: Its a nice concept but TT just couldnt do it.....would not pull the trigger. He does some nice things on roll outs and bootlegs.......he runs the option well....he is just not a pure thrower of the ball. One a great strength the other a greater weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Surprised to see them rated so highly. So... if this is accurate, the OL must have absolutely hated Peterman because anyone watching that game could see the sieve that was our OL in the 1st half of the Chargers game 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: So... if this is accurate, the OL must have absolutely hated Peterman because anyone watching that game could see the sieve that was our OL in the 1st half of the Chargers game Mutiny! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just another reason why kirk cousins will choose the Buffalo Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Sometimes yes and sometimes no. His escapability is a double edged sword. This. However, escapability is not the main contributor to him taking sacks, in my opinion. The main contributor is how long he holds the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: This. However, escapability is not the main contributor to him taking sacks, in my opinion. The main contributor is how long he holds the ball. Slower reads and an unwillingness to pull the trigger are the culprits as you are intimating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielman Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The pass blocking flat out STUNK. Can't believe everything you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: So... if this is accurate, the OL must have absolutely hated Peterman because anyone watching that game could see the sieve that was our OL in the 1st half of the Chargers game That was Taylor's fault, too. The OL wasn't used to a QB who couldn't escape the initial pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Loosh said: The pass blocking flat out STUNK. Can't believe everything you read. I'm skeptical of using stats to "prove" anything, and that goes double for those stats trumpeting "efficiency" as noteworthy. Was not Tyrod Taylor one of the more "efficient" QBs in the NFL in 2017? So, why are so many fans so upset with him? Because he wasn't an "effective" QB. The Bills OL stunk in 2017 because it wasn't effective, no matter what stats say about it being "efficient". I'll take "effective" over "efficient" any day of the week. What's the most effective pass blocking OL in the league? It's gotta be the Pats' OL because they not only keep an immobile QB upright all game long almost every game but they also give him virtually forever to find open receivers. Does anybody in NE really care if the Pats' OL is "efficient" as long as Brady has time to pick defenses apart? I don't think so. Edited February 14, 2018 by SoTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I generally like PFF, but if this is the outcome, I have to question their methodology. Our O-line was not good at pass blocking this year. Take the Tyrod flame war out of the equation for a minute - how did the pass blocking look with Peterman under center? Our O-line had some nice plays in pass protection here and there, but there were way too many times when a guy came free almost right away, and several whole games where the opposing D was in our backfield seemingly the whole game. Again, I don't know what PFF is looking at or using as their criteria that translates those results into #2 in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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