QB Film Room: Mason Rudolph

[Buffalo716]

This ones for you oldtimeAFLguy.

 

Mason Rudolph was Mel Kipers #1 ranked SR QB heading into the season. The 6'5 230 pound passer has done nothing nothing but produce since taking over the job as a Sophomore 

 

OVERVIEW

 

Mason Rudolph has been extremely productive over his career at Oklahoma State. He is a big, strong QB who has displayed some very good football over his 3 years

 

Rudolph has pretty good arm strength although I wouldn't classify it as elite and it does lack a bit for a big guy.  He throws well to the intermediate areas , down the seam with zip and throws a very good deep ball

 

Almost instantly on tape Rudolphs deep ball jumps out to you. It is a staple of his game and a big reason why he is a threat. Whether it's down the sideline or seam he has displayed good arm strength and touch on deep throws

 

He works the middle of the field well and can fire it down the seams 

 

A lot of throws are purely 1 read rythem throws. The ball is out before his feet are even planted.  Quick outs and bubble screens... this hindered his progressions a good amount... but the rythem quick out has became an NFL must throw... he does that well

 

not great lower body mechanics. As stated, the Ball is out regularly before his feet are set... this is a product of his offense as well... If he can learn to set his feet and keep them under him this will increase his accuracy as well 

 

Due to his spotty mechanics he also tends to have hit or miss accuracy on some shorter throws... it's not uncommon to see him miss a guy high or wide.

 

Rudolph is a good athlete who was once a prep school TE before transitioning to QB... He moves pretty well for a QB his size and throws decently on the run

 

He has shown a willingness to step up in the pocket and deliver the throw while taking a hit

 

STRENGTHS

 

- Productive 3 year starter

- Good NFL size

- Good NFL caliber deep ball

- throws to the intermediate areas with zip and touch on situations 

-Throws the deep ball with good touch

-Works the seams

-throws good out route 

-Good enough athlete to move around the pocket 

-Throws on run well

-Gets rid of the ball on time 

 

NEGATIVES

 

-Spotty lower body mechanics 

-Can sail passes 

-ball placement isn't always great

-played in highly productive spread offense

-Needs work from under center 

-can work on progressions

-Lacks some touch on shorter throws

 

BOTTOM LINE

 

Mason Rudolph is a prototypical Pocket Passer who played in a Gimmicky spread Offense. He is a Big, strong QB who likes to throw it deep. He does a lot of things well and is elite at nothing. He has good value as a second round pick but it wouldn't shock me to see him in the later half of the first with QBs coming off the board 

 

Scouts Grade

 

78.9 ( High end Prospect )

 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716

[JaCrispy]

Yeah, that’s about right 

[KDIGGZ]

Nothing new here. Day 2 prospect who will probably get picked end of 1st round because teams are desperate. This week would have been a big indicator of his skills if he were able to play in the senior bowl. Teams need to see him under center making 3 and 5 step drops and reading defenses and looking off safeties and throwing 10-15 yard outs...you know, NFL QB stuff!

[GunnerBill]

Good work 716.  My full scouting reports on the 7 prospects I have properly watched will be up next month but there is a LOT of commonality in what you see and what I see.  Specifically on progressions there is a lot of one read and the guy is open because it is a well coordinated offense with talented skill players (that shouldn't be held against him in the same way it shouldn't have been held against Watson in 2017) but on the occasions where he does need to get past his first guy he does show an ability to.  My slight nervousness on his progressions is that it is a small playbook that Ok St. run with a lot of plays being run multiple times in a game and his progressions appear at times a little "learned."  Now every scheme in the pros has a 1st progression and then a 2nd progression etc but I wonder whether Mason understands what he is seeing sufficiently to know based on the defensive look that is shutting his #1 down that for example his #2 is unlikely to be open and he should get to his #3 as quickly as possible.  At times I think he struggled with that and you would really, really want to probe him in interviews and visits.  Does he understand and read defenses or does he just understand the Mike Gundy offense? I think missing the Senior Bowl hurts him much more from an interview perspective than it does from a working under center in front of teams perspective.  

 

I am not quite as high as you overall - but I think there is a lot of maligning him on this forum and much of it unfairly. I an era of a lot of gimmicky spread systems where everything happens behind the line of scrimmage a QB who is asked to throw downfield a lot and does it successfully should give you a reasonable level of confidence in his transition.    

Edited January 23, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

This ones for you oldtimeAFLguy.

 

Mason Rudolph was Mel Kipers #1 ranked SR QB heading into the season. The 6'5 230 pound passer has done nothing nothing but produce since taking over the job as a Sophomore 

 

OVERVIEW

 

Mason Rudolph has been extremely productive over his career at Oklahoma State. He is a big, strong QB who has displayed some very good football over his 3 years

 

Rudolph has pretty good arm strength although I wouldn't classify it as elite. He throws well to the intermediate areas , down the seam with zip and throws a very good deep ball

 

Almost instantly on tape Rudolphs deep ball jumps out to you. It is a staple of his game and a big reason why he is a threat. Whether it's down the sideline or seam he has displayed good arm strength and touch on deep throws

 

He works the middle of the field well and can fire it down the seams 

 

A lot of throws are purely 1 read rythem throws. The ball is out before his feet are even planted.  Quick outs and bubble screens... this hindered his progressions a good amount... but the rythem quick out has became an NFL must throw... he does that well

 

not great lower body mechanics. As stated, the Ball is out regularly before his feet are set... this is a product of his offense as well... If he can learn to set his feet and keep them under him this will increase his accuracy as well 

 

Due to his spotty mechanics he also tends to have hit or miss accuracy on some shorter throws... it's not uncommon to see him miss a guy high or wide.

 

Rudolph is a good athlete who was once a prep school TE before transitioning to QB... He moves pretty well for a QB his size and throws decently on the run

 

He has shown a willingness to step up in the pocket and deliver the throw while taking a hit

 

STRENGTHS

 

- Productive 3 year starter

- Good NFL size

- Good NFL caliber deep ball

- throws to the intermediate areas with zip and touch on situations 

-Throws the deep ball with good touch

-Works the seams

-throws good out route 

-Good enough athlete to move around the pocket 

-Throws on run well

-Gets rid of the ball on time 

 

NEGATIVES

 

-Spotty lower body mechanics 

-Can sail passes 

-ball placement isn't always great

-played in highly productive spread offense

-Needs work from under center 

-can work on progressions

-Lacks some touch on shorter throws

 

BOTTOM LINE

 

Mason Rudolph is a prototypical Pocket Passer who played in a Gimmicky spread Offense. He is a Big, strong armed QB who likes to throw it deep. He does a lot of things well and is elite at nothing. He has good value as a second round pick but it wouldn't shock me to see him in the later half of the first 

 

Scouts Grade

 

78.9 ( High end Prospect )

 

 

Not my favorite, but I could deal with it (as long as he produces  )

 

 

8 hours ago, kdiggz said:

Nothing new here. Day 2 prospect who will probably get picked end of 1st round because teams are desperate. This week would have been a big indicator of his skills if he were able to play in the senior bowl. Teams need to see him under center making 3 and 5 step drops and reading defenses and looking off safeties and throwing 10-15 yard outs...you know, NFL QB stuff!

 

 maybe he figured he'd drop to the third round if he played poorly.

 

 

[JohnC]

716, Terrific job. Fair and balanced. My fear is that he is a Matt Schaub type of player. Bland but acceptable. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

716, Terrific job. Fair and balanced. My fear is that he is a Matt Schaub type of player. Bland but acceptable. 

 

He makes more plays than a Matt Schaub type. 

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He makes more plays than a Matt Schaub type. 

Good! I'm rooting for the quality qb pool to be expanded. I'm not looking with jaundiced eyes to eliminate prospects but rather looking with receptive eyes to expand the pool and increase the options. 

[Cripple Creek]

13 hours ago, kdiggz said:

Nothing new here. Day 2 prospect who will probably get picked end of 1st round because teams are desperate. This week would have been a big indicator of his skills if he were able to play in the senior bowl. Teams need to see him under center making 3 and 5 step drops and reading defenses and looking off safeties and throwing 10-15 yard outs...you know, NFL QB stuff!

Says one.

 

Thanks 716, appreciate the effort. Would not mind the pick on day 2.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

716, Terrific job. Fair and balanced. My fear is that he is a Matt Schaub type of player. Bland but acceptable. 

 

I would say he has a much stronger arm than Matt Schaub 

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Good work 716.  My full scouting reports on the 7 prospects I have properly watched will be up next month but there is a LOT of commonality in what you see and what I see.  Specifically on progressions there is a lot of one read and the guy is open because it is a well coordinated offense with talented skill players (that shouldn't be held against him in the same way it shouldn't have been held against Watson in 2017) but on the occasions where he does need to get past his first guy he does show an ability to.  My slight nervousness on his progressions is that it is a small playbook that Ok St. run with a lot of plays being run multiple times in a game and his progressions appear at times a little "learned."  Now every scheme in the pros has a 1st progression and then a 2nd progression etc but I wonder whether Mason understands what he is seeing sufficiently to know based on the defensive look that is shutting his #1 down that for example his #2 is unlikely to be open and he should get to his #3 as quickly as possible.  At times I think he struggled with that and you would really, really want to probe him in interviews and visits.  Does he understand and read defenses or does he just understand the Mike Gundy offense? I think missing the Senior Bowl hurts him much more from an interview perspective than it does from a working under center in front of teams perspective.  

 

I am not quite as high as you overall - but I think there is a lot of maligning him on this forum and much of it unfairly. I an era of a lot of gimmicky spread systems where everything happens behind the line of scrimmage a QB who is asked to throw downfield a lot and does it successfully should give you a reasonable level of confidence in his transition.    

 

I wouldn't necessarily say I'm high on him. I won't endorse him 

 

He is a high end PROSPECT, but just that a prospect . My grade doesn't indicate a starter, just a prospect with upside.

 

but the NFL loves drafting QB prospects in the first. Gabbert, Locker, Mahomes, Bortles etc

 

he will go early second or late first, but I'm not endorsing him... just placing him in the draft

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Says one.

 

Thanks 716, appreciate the effort. Would not mind the pick on day 2.

 

Your welcome

Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would say he has a much stronger arm than Matt Schaub 

 

I wouldn't necessarily say I'm high on him. I won't endorse him 

 

He is a high end PROSPECT, but just that a prospect . My grade doesn't indicate a starter, just a prospect with upside.

 

but the NFL loves drafting QB prospects in the first. Gabbert, Locker, Mahomes, Bortles etc

 

Fair enough I obviously misinterpreted your grading system as being higher on him than he is. I have him right on that late 1st / early 2nd borderline but believe he will go earlier than that. 

[Buffalo716]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair enough I obviously misinterpreted your grading system as being higher on him than he is. I have him right on that late 1st / early 2nd borderline but believe he will go earlier than that. 

 

I'm not a mathematician lol I wouldn't say my grading system is fool proof

 

my grades are simple 

 

90-100- Generational Prospect 

 

80-89- High end 10 year starter 

 

70-79- High end prospect ( can develop into good starter)

 

60-69- low end prospect ( backup potential)

 

a lot of QBs will fall into the high end prospect range... but that's because a lot of QBs are taken in the 1st 3 rounds with high hopes

 

He has to overcome scheme, mechanics, and show he can go through progressions before he takes the next step

 

the positives and negatives column has way more weight than the grade... which is just a number I come up with after giving them grades 1-100  grade in 12 categories and average them

Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I'm not a mathematician lol I wouldn't say my grading system is fool proof

 

my grades are simple 

 

90-100- Generational Prospect 

 

80-89- High end 10 year starter 

 

70-79- High end prospect ( can develop into good starter)

 

60-69- low end prospect ( backup potential)

 

a lot of QBs will fall into the high end prospect range... but that's because a lot of QBs are taken in the 1st 3 rounds with high hopes

 

He has to overcome scheme, mechanics, and show he can go through progressions before he takes the next step

 

the positives and negatives column has way more weight than the grade... which is just a number I come up with after giving them grades 1-100  grade in 12 categories and average them

 

It sounds quite scientific compared to my grading system

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It sounds quite scientific compared to my grading system

 

 

 

i did win a science award in 4th grade

[wppete]

Great character guy also which fits what McBean is looking for. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I'm not a mathematician lol I wouldn't say my grading system is fool proof

 

my grades are simple 

 

90-100- Generational Prospect 

 

80-89- High end 10 year starter 

 

70-79- High end prospect ( can develop into good starter)

 

60-69- low end prospect ( backup potential)

 

a lot of QBs will fall into the high end prospect range... but that's because a lot of QBs are taken in the 1st 3 rounds with high hopes

 

He has to overcome scheme, mechanics, and show he can go through progressions before he takes the next step

 

the positives and negatives column has way more weight than the grade... which is just a number I come up with after giving them grades 1-100  grade in 12 categories and average them

 

 

......GREAT job bud with my special thanks...MUCH appreciated!!...............

[K-9]

On 1/22/2018 at 8:22 PM, kdiggz said:

Nothing new here. Day 2 prospect who will probably get picked end of 1st round because teams are desperate. This week would have been a big indicator of his skills if he were able to play in the senior bowl. Teams need to see him under center making 3 and 5 step drops and reading defenses and looking off safeties and throwing 10-15 yard outs...you know, NFL QB stuff!

He will have plenty of opportunity to do all that between now and the draft and under a lot more focused scrutiny by teams interested in him. He’s made himself available to meet this week and that’s probably more important at this juncture. It would have been a bonus for him to play, but it’s not a negative at all.

 

On another note, I’ve see a lot of worry about the offense he ran in college. That’s not the issue for me. Rather it’s the defenses, or lack thereof, that he was exposed to. College DCs tend to play the same coverage schemes week after week vs. these kinds of offenses. That is the major challenge imo.

[KDIGGZ]

it would have been nice to see him under center vs the other competition.  the only opportunity they will have now is the combine and if they host him on a visit and even then they are only throwing vs air.  this was their one shot to see him live and in action

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

He will have plenty of opportunity to do all that between now and the draft and under a lot more focused scrutiny by teams interested in him. He’s made himself available to meet this week and that’s probably more important at this juncture. It would have been a bonus for him to play, but it’s not a negative at all.

 

On another note, I’ve see a lot of worry about the offense he ran in college. That’s not the issue for me. Rather it’s the defenses, or lack thereof, that he was exposed to. College DCs tend to play the same coverage schemes week after week vs. these kinds of offenses. That is the major challenge imo.

Good point that I forgot to add...they don't play defense in that conference lol

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

......GREAT job bud with my special thanks...MUCH appreciated!!...............

 

Anytime my friend 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

it would have been nice to see him under center vs the other competition.  the only opportunity they will have now is the combine and if they host him on a visit and even then they are only throwing vs air.  this was their one shot to see him live and in action

Sure it would have been nice, but it’s not nearly the disaster you seem to think it is, either. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING these players do on the field the field this week is going to amount to more or less than what they’ve put on video over the course of their college careers. Rudolph has been seen in person by the scouting community numerous times. They will get a close up sense of how the ball comes out when he is asked to workout by various teams over the next couple of months, too. 

 

It is only a disappointment for fans who want to see him perform, but not the teams on hand at the Senior Bowl. Rudolph is making an impression on them,  regardless.

[KDIGGZ]

I don't agree at all. They will put them into situations out of their comfort zone and see what things they can and can't do outside of what they have seen on tape. That is especially important for a player like Rudolph who was in a gimmicky offense that does not translate to the NFL. This is a big deal whether you believe it or not

 

I might even go as far as to say he will not be selected in the 1st round now and this will be a factor as to why.  It's true that it only takes 1 team to like you but teams might view him as more of a risk now than if they saw him doing the things they think he can't do this week.  We will see come draft time but don't be surprised if he is there at 21 and we pass.

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

I don't agree at all. They will put them into situations out of their comfort zone and see what things they can and can't do outside of what they have seen on tape. That is especially important for a player like Rudolph who was in a gimmicky offense that does not translate to the NFL. This is a big deal whether you believe it or not

 

I might even go as far as to say he will not be selected in the 1st round now and this will be a factor as to why.  It's true that it only takes 1 team to like you but teams might view him as more of a risk now than if they saw him doing the things they think he can't do this week.  We will see come draft time but don't be surprised if he is there at 21 and we pass.

But it's just not in the eyes of the scouts and other personnel people that are there. It would have been preferable, a way to add some pluses in the plus column if he participated, but that's not the same thing as attaching any red flags because he isn't. Next week I'll be privy to a little info and I won't be shocked to learn that he did very well in his interviews this week. I think we'll learn he actually checked a couple of boxes in that plus column. 

 

I think you and other fans may be projecting their own disappointment because they needed to see him in action this week. I'm disappointed, too. 

[thebandit27]

On 1/24/2018 at 3:21 PM, K-9 said:

Sure it would have been nice, but it’s not nearly the disaster you seem to think it is, either. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING these players do on the field the field this week is going to amount to more or less than what they’ve put on video over the course of their college careers. Rudolph has been seen in person by the scouting community numerous times. They will get a close up sense of how the ball comes out when he is asked to workout by various teams over the next couple of months, too. 

 

It is only a disappointment for fans who want to see him perform, but not the teams on hand at the Senior Bowl. Rudolph is making an impression on them,  regardless.

 

Indeed...about the most you can learn on the field this week is how well a guy is able to take instruction in practice and incorporate the coaching points into his practice routine.

 

Everything else is just a confirmation of what you see on game tape, or--in some rare cases--a red flag that makes you go back to the tape to see if you can catch any additional tendencies.

[LabattBlue]

In the last hour, I heard Sal's guest on WGR(some draftnik by the name of Marino) compare Rudolph to Chad Henne and another mediocre QB from the past whose name escapes me).  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

In the last hour, I heard Sal's guest on WGR(some draftnik by the name of Marino) compare Rudolph to Chad Henne and another mediocre QB from the past whose name escapes me).  

 

At this point it's all projection...

 

Rudolph has good physical attributes and looks the part...

 

but you you need to project how his skills and  talents will play out on an NFL field instead of the Big12

 

Not many spread QBs have succeeded long term besides Brees and Newton. Tannehill if you want to add him

 

Nobody wants to back the kid 100% because it's a crapshoot whether he ever picks up the NFL game 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

At this point it's all projection...

 

Rudolph has good physical attributes and looks the part...

 

but you you need to project how his skills and  talents will play out on an NFL field instead of the Big12

 

Not many spread QBs have succeeded long term besides Brees and Newton. Tannehill if you want to add him

 

Nobody wants to back the kid 100% because it's a crapshoot whether he ever picks up the NFL game 

.,,,is Culley the right guy to train and develop him as well as Peterman or do you want a more seasoned QB Coach versus a WR Coach?....sure as hell hope Daboll has some input here..........

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.,,,is Culley the right guy to train and develop him as well as Peterman or do you want a more seasoned QB Coach versus a WR Coach?....sure as hell hope Daboll has some input here..........

 

He is not my favorite BUT I don't put as much stock in the whole he's more of a WR coach than QB coach than most.

 

Hes a football coach and it's not like his specialty is defense.

 

He probably gives some really good insight on the QB position from a different perspective. 

 

I have been asked to coach WRs and I never played WR in my life. But as a Student of football and a technique sound DB I brought a different perspective to the WR room. How to break down a CB to run more nuanced routes etc

 

But to get back I would not personally want him to develop our future franchise QB. Since we are going college route with Dabol I wouldn't mind getting a bright young QB guru from those ranks 

 

One name I like, Chris Weinke, the ex heisman winner. He is a full time QB coach at IMG Academy in Florida 

 

He has worked with really good QBs already like Tannehill, Newton, Cousins, Ponder, Russell Wilson

 

That would be an innovative hire

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

He is not my favorite BUT I don't put as much stock in the whole he's more of a WR coach than QB coach than most.

 

Hes a football coach and it's not like his specialty is defense.

 

He probably gives some really good insight on the QB position from a different perspective. 

 

I have been asked to coach WRs and I never played WR in my life. But as a Student of football and a technique sound DB I brought a different perspective to the WR room. How to break down a CB to run more nuanced routes etc

 

But to get back I would not personally want him to develop our future franchise QB. Since we are going college route with Dabol I wouldn't mind getting a bright young QB guru from those ranks 

 

One name I like, Chris Weinke, the ex heisman winner. He is a full time QB coach at IMG Academy in Florida 

 

He has worked with really good QBs already like Tannehill, Newton, Cousins, Ponder, Russell Wilson

 

That would be an innovative hire

...thanks bud.....interesting how collegiate QB's like Dorsey or Weinke never made their mark at the NFL level but are now notables in coaching circles..........

[Buffalo716]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...thanks bud.....interesting how collegiate QB's like Dorsey or Weinke never made their mark at the NFL level but are now notables in coaching circles..........

 

I take that back it looks like Weinke was with Alabama last year and now with Tennessee 

 

It really doesn't surprise me that much...

 

Weinke is obviously very talented, he won the heisman, but he just wasnt talented enough To be a high caliber NFL player.

 

He has good smarts and was a coachable player. He seems like the perfect offensive coach in waiting. Whether its QB, offensive assistant or Coordinator 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

At this point it's all projection...

 

Rudolph has good physical attributes and looks the part...

 

but you you need to project how his skills and  talents will play out on an NFL field instead of the Big12

 

Not many spread QBs have succeeded long term besides Brees and Newton. Tannehill if you want to add him

 

Nobody wants to back the kid 100% because it's a crapshoot whether he ever picks up the NFL game 

 

I would include Alex Smith in the group of successes, which is quite the rarity considering he came from Urban's spread option scheme.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I would include Alex Smith in the group of successes, which is quite the rarity considering he came from Urban's spread option scheme.

 

100% I can't  believe I forgot Alex Smith in Urbans spread option 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

At this point it's all projection...

 

Rudolph has good physical attributes and looks the part...

 

but you you need to project how his skills and  talents will play out on an NFL field instead of the Big12

 

Not many spread QBs have succeeded long term besides Brees and Newton. Tannehill if you want to add him

 

Nobody wants to back the kid 100% because it's a crapshoot whether he ever picks up the NFL game 

 

Didn't Dak Prescott play in a spread offense?

 

Edit: what about Goff?

 

Caveat: this is just what I read in, for example this article

Edited January 27, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Didn't Dak Prescott play in a spread offense?

 

I said succeeded long term

 

Dak isn't exactly a 7-10 year vet 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I said succeeded long term

 

Dak isn't exactly a 7-10 year vet 

 

Gotcha, so that would apply to Goff too. 

 

But wouldn't that just give them more props? 

 

Smith took maybe 6 years to start looking like a decent pro QB, Brees maybe 4 to start looking like "all that" - if Goff and Prescott came from spread offenses and picked up the NFL right away, that would be a good sign for spread offense success?

 

Caveat again: I've read Prescott claims Mississippi State ran a pro-style offense just not from under center.  I don't know a thing about what Cal really runs

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:00 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Not my favorite, but I could deal with it (as long as he produces  )

 

 

 

 maybe he figured he'd drop to the third round if he played poorly.

 

 

There's no way he drops to the 3rd round but he could still be there for our first 2nd rounder. I like this kid and i know McD likes him too. Him not playing today with his hand size might just make him fall to us. He will take developing. 

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Gotcha, so that would apply to Goff too. 

 

But wouldn't that just give them more props? 

 

Smith took maybe 6 years to start looking like a decent pro QB, Brees maybe 4 to start looking like "all that" - if Goff and Prescott came from spread offenses and picked up the NFL right away, that would be a good sign for spread offense success?

 

Caveat again: I've read Prescott claims Mississippi State ran a pro-style offense just not from under center.  I don't know a thing about what Cal really runs

 

Cal runs a complete air raid and yes it bodes well for Goff that he's looking good so soon

 

I think he is a much better QB than Prescott though and think he'll have a much better career 

[GunnerBill]

I think it is worth saying as well that there is an increasing divergence in concepts between college offenses and pro offenses. People get very caught up in formation - is the QB in the gun; is it a single back or empty set; are the receivers set wide; where does the tight end line up; how wide are the lineman and what stance are the adopting... all those things remain different in a lot of college offenses vs NFL offenses but the concepts of how the plays are designed to attack defenses are definitely diverging. I am not just talking about RPO either which everyone has been talking about this year, though that has definitely been part of it. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Cal runs a complete air raid and yes it bodes well for Goff that he's looking good so soon

I think he is a much better QB than Prescott though and think he'll have a much better career 

 

From what I've seen, I concur.  Prescott seems to need a great run game to build off of.

 

So if it's not imposing by needing too much answer, what would you look for as a scout as clues that an "air raid" offense QB might transition readily to the pros as Goff (or Prescott) seem to have done?

Edited January 28, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

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20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think it is worth saying as well that there is an increasing divergence in concepts between college offenses and pro offenses. People get very caught up in formation - is the QB in the gun; is it a single back or empty set; are the receivers set wide; where does the tight end line up; how wide are the lineman and what stance are the adopting... all those things remain different in a lot of college offenses vs NFL offenses but the concepts of how the plays are designed to attack defenses are definitely diverging. I am not just talking about RPO either which everyone has been talking about this year, though that has definitely been part of it. 

It’s not the lack of pro style offenses these college QBs run so much as it’s the lack of variety in the defenses they see on a week to week basis that makes them utterly incapable of readily being able to recognize and beat the array of pro defenses they see in the NFL. When a spread QB sees little more than quarters coverage every week, he’s just not gonna hit the ground running in the pro. 

 

And that’s before taking into considersation the sheer superiority of the athletes on the defenses they face in the NFL.