Remind Me - Why Didn't We Make a Run at Nick Foles?

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

No matter how you slice it and dice it, the decision from the Eagles to bring back Foles was one of the best off season moves they made.  He's been very good since taking over for Wentz and without him they most likely wouldn't go to the Super Bowl.   Aside from his terrible stint with the Rams he's been pretty good and he has shown some flashes of being better than that.   

 

Another point that I think is important, I think this speaks very well of Doug Pederson and Frank Reich.  Look at how successful their QB's have been.  Wentz played at a probowl level and he goes out and then Foles steps in and plays at nearly the same level.    Great job those guys have done with their offense.

 

This is simply not the case.  He was outstanding yesterday, but before then he had not been good at all other than his 1st start against the lousy NYG defense.. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[ProcessTheTrust]

I won't say Foles would have come and lit it up but I sure was on board with having him come to compete for the job against Tyrod. Wouldn't have mattered since Rex was set on Tyrod from the start and used a very weak QB comp to mask what he wanted all along. Foles would have won a pure passer comp even back then, and with the WRs we had, who knows???

[BringBackFergy]

29 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

The organization is stupid for not bringing in nick foles. I’ve been saying it since he was in college. Look at me

I think I was first. Even in high school and little loop, I was scouting him. I called his greatness. I’m smart. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

12 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

See vid at 2min mark. The dude that made that video was so spot on many years ago.

So true, I'm so glad Whaley, Brandon and Rex have nothing to do with the Bills anymore. Just one more person needs to be cut.

With Foles I'm pretty sure we win that game vs the Jags. Then we would've lost to the Steelers but then at least the Steelers would've beat the Patriots. It's our fault the Patriots are in the super bowl again.

I hope we trade Taylor to the Jets or Dolphins.

[Magox]

He's been a tremendous pickup for the Eagles.   You gotta hand it to them.

 

Look at what Foles has done in the post season this year.

 

Vs the Falcons Foles was 23 of 30, completing 77% of his passes for 246 yards with a QB rating of 101.

 

Now vs the best defense in the NFL he was 26 for 33 completing over 80% of his passes with three touchdowns and no picks with a QB rating of 141.    I just read something interesting about him, he is only the second QB since the NFL merger to have had his first 3 NFL post season games with over a 100 QB rating.   No matter what anyone says, up until now he has been a baller in the playoffs.

 

Yeah, the guy has been pretty good.  

 

 

[billsredneck1]

12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Nick Foles played like crap other than his one great year under Chip Kelly and he contemplated retirement.  He's in a great offense with excellent personnel at WR, TE, and RB. 

so....he didn't do so well with that Juggernaut known as the rams...ok...and by the way these same things have been said about cousins.  whaley shoved ej down our throats until rex the buffoon ryan and dougie gave tt a big contract and we blew another 3 years.

 

mcbeane got here a little too late.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, billsredneck1 said:

so....he didn't do so well with that Juggernaut known as the rams...ok...and by the way these same things have been said about cousins.  whaley shoved ej down our throats until rex the buffoon ryan and dougie gave tt a big contract and we blew another 3 years.

 

mcbeane got here a little too late.

 

TT has never had a big contract from an NFL QB perspective and if it were up to Whaley he wouldn't have been a Buffalo Bill in 2017.  The fact that he's still around was a McDermott decision.  At any rate, Foles is a backup QB at the NFL level. 

[billsredneck1]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

TT has never had a big contract from an NFL QB perspective and if it were up to Whaley he wouldn't have been a Buffalo Bill in 2017.  The fact that he's still around was a McDermott decision.  At any rate, Foles is a backup QB at the NFL level. 

and he's a franchise qb at the buffalo bills level. far and away better than any starter we've had since bledsoe if not kelly.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

and he's a franchise qb at the buffalo bills level. far and away better than any starter we've had since bledsoe if not kelly.

 

 

He's not a franchise QB for any team in the NFL. Stop the madness. 

[billsredneck1]

12 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Good question. I'm not sure what the Eagles will get but sure teams will be calling to trade for him. When Reid brought him to KC I thought FOles was going to take Ales Smiths place in all honesty. 

which at that point, would have been a good time to send kc a 2nd for him. i think he was carrying around about a 16 mil, salary. while tt was getting no looks would have been the time to get him. gotta hand it to the fo in philly.

...and hell yeah, i'd send a 1st for him.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

at this point you can name 1O available vet qb that the team would have been far better off with over the last three years.  

Whaley was ready to move on , Mcdermott I think panicked a bit and decide to keep Taylor or the unknown.   Lesson learned I hope 

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

at this point you can name 1O available vet qb that the team would have been far better off with over the last three years.  

Whaley was ready to move on , Mcdermott I think panicked a bit and decide to keep Taylor or the unknown.   Lesson learned I hope 

 

It's easy to second guess things right now, Taylor looked to be the best option we had available to us.  Foles just came off of a bad year with the Rams, even though I attribute that to the Rams organization and coaching more than anything but none the less it was not a good year for him.  Taylor did lead us to the playoffs so I'm not going to cry about that but without doubt we could do much better than Tyrod and in retrospect Foles most likely would have been a slight upgrade.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, Magox said:

 

It's easy to second guess things right now, Taylor looked to be the best option we had available to us.  Foles just came off of a bad year with the Rams, even though I attribute that to the Rams organization and coaching more than anything but none the less it was not a good year for him.  Taylor did lead us to the playoffs so I'm not going to cry about that but without doubt we could do much better than Tyrod and in retrospect Foles most likely would have been a slight upgrade.

it is not just foles.  They passed a bunch of vets over the last thee years.  And Taylor did not lead them anywhere , he went along for the ride.  

[BigDingus]

I used to love Foles. Was a long time supporter always hoping the Bills would take a shot at him.

But after his year with the Rams, I sorta just figured Jeff Fisher sunk his career & it was over. Oddly enough, the QB opposite of Foles yesterday Case Keenum, also looked awful under Jeff Fisher. Now here they both were leading their teams in the NFC Championship games...that's just awesome.

Glad Foles is redeeming himself. He's been great.

[The Frankish Reich]

40 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

and he's a franchise qb at the buffalo bills level. far and away better than any starter we've had since bledsoe if not kelly.

finally, a voice of reason. Why people can't understand the difference between "better" and "one of the best" continues to perplex me.

[BadLandsMeanie]

13 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

God people overreact to just about everything.

 

Foles and the Eagles are catching lightning in a bottle right now. 

 

I would love love love it if the Eagles won the Super Bowl against Brady and all the sudden Foles is somehow a great QB.

 

People are hilarious  

I know what you mean. But it is not all that funny to me. I wil tell you why.

 

Because We always INSIST that players who do NOT play well, are actually really great!  Like Tyrod. Trod is good but his supporting cast and his coaching are bad.

 

But when Foles plays well... it means he is not good. 

 

Also, Bills fans always want to improve the team by getting rid of the best players. We have two good offensive linemen.  Wood and Incognito. Hands down they play the best. There is no competent argument or opinion other wise. But we want them gone to save money and get younger. 

 

Anyway your hilarity isn't as one sided as you think!

 

And Foles is by no means top notch, but he is as the OP said, better than our starter. 

 

 

The Eagles have two good QBs. The Eagles lost their starter, but then still demolished the Vikings and will play in the Superbowl.

 

The Vikings lost their starter and still made the conference championship game. 

 

Both those teams have a starter and a backup who are better than anyone we have had play QB for at least the past ten years.

 

I don't think that is funny!

 

 

27 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

It's easy to second guess things right now, Taylor looked to be the best option we had available to us.  Foles just came off of a bad year with the Rams, even though I attribute that to the Rams organization and coaching more than anything but none the less it was not a good year for him.  Taylor did lead us to the playoffs so I'm not going to cry about that but without doubt we could do much better than Tyrod and in retrospect Foles most likely would have been a slight upgrade.

The trouble is, it is has always easy to second guess the Buffalo Bills about who they have at QB.

[26CornerBlitz]

I can't do anything but praise his performance yesterday because Foles was nothing short of excellent. Franchise or even a consistent QB?  Hardly.

 

 

 

[BigBuff423]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We need to find a squirrel like that.

 

Hey, we're desperate.

 

If that happens,offer the farm for Foles.

 

Doug's gone. Time to find a new whipping boy.

 

Doug's guys were still in the playoffs today on other teams. Gilmore, Hogan, Mr Big Stuff, Darby, Nigel ...

 

I want to clarify some history here - and keep in my mind I'm on record for giving Doug Whaley credit for some really good finds but also failing in other areas as well so to me a balanced and reasoned approach to his tenure - but Buddy nix is responsible for:

Gilmore, Dareus, Bradham, and Hogan was signed in 2012 while Buddy was still the GM and Whaley probably had a huge influence on that since he was the Pro Personnel Scout, but Nix was still ultimately responsible for all things personnel related so you have to give him at least equal credit. Darby is solely Whaley as was Watkins, but so was his enormous gift of Draft capital to get him....to me EJ is attributed primarly to Nix - and again I've gone on record several times saying so - but Whaley shares that because while Nix was the GM for the 2013 Draft and therefore it is HIS responsibility to make those picks ultimately, I'm also sure since Whaley was promoted less than a month later, Whaley had a pretty huge stake in that argument as well. 

 

To keep in mind Eric Wood, Cordy Glenn and Aaron Williams were also Nix's picks, not to mention Searcy who was starting for the Titans just last week against NE. There are others, I just wanted to put some context to the DW love....again, so you don't misinterpret my statements (unintentionally) that I think DW was great in some respects, ala Pro Scouting, but really NOT good in others, Watkins Draft capital - EJ Manuel (even though it technically belongs to Nix). He Drafted Darby - well done! - Kevon Seymour, signing Richie and Drafting Preston Brown who has had a yo-yo career with the Bills thus far and signing Zack Brown who was terrific in his one year here. All said and done, DW was a .500 level GM and the results on the field were exactly that....although Sexy Rexy had much to do with that too....ugh!!

[SoTier]

14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

5 years, $27.5 million with certain incentives and "escalators" that could add another $11 million.  So if he performs well, the top end is 38.5 million. And if he performs poorly, it is essentially voidable by the Eagles after 2 years.

 

Tyrod: 2 years, $30.5 million.

 

And he is obviously a better fit for the Dennison offense than Tyrod was. For those of you who'd say, "where we you when he was a free agent" - I was right here, suggesting that Foles was far and away the best "bridge" QB free agent out there ....

 

Does the phrase "you get what you pay for" ring a bell?  That's backup QB money Philly shelled out for him, which for them, turned out to be well spent because Wentz got hurt.  Foles is a nice backup QB but a pretty crappy long term starter.   His NFL success as a starter didn't last as long  as Chip Kelly's NFL coaching career.

 

Foles was mediocre in his last year in Philly, throwing 13 TDs and 10 INTs in 8 games as a starter in 2014.  He was traded to SL and sucked there in 2015.  He was an uninspiring backup to Alex Smith in KC in 2016 which was why he was a FA in 2017.

 

As for being a better fit for "the Dennison offense", why does it matter?  Dennison was a crappy OC with little imagination and an inability/unwillingness to adjust to changing game situations.  Good riddance.

Edited January 22, 2018 by SoTier

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'm noticing that 26CB and I are the ones most on the "pump the breaks on Nick Foles" train, and I am pretty sure that we have watched more of him than 90% of the people on here. I live in the Philly market. My wife is a die hard Eagles fan.

 

People are looking at the last two games, and are ignoring the rest of his career. Not that I'm going to slag on him. He is what he is: a high level backup/low level bridge starter.

 

I was there to watch him when he stepped in for the last few weeks of the season, and let me tell you, Eagles fans were terrified. Pederson gave him a very vanilla offense in his first few weeks back, and he looked mediocre to terrible. In the meanwhile, they began to gameplan around his strength and weaknesses and unveiled a new Run Pass Option to play to his strengths and give him a bit more time. He also has the benefit of a solid O-line, a solid run game in Blount and Ajayi, and gets to throw to a receiving group that looked at Jordan Matthews and said "ehh, he's expendable"

 

When he has a system he is clicking in, and high level support around him he looks pretty good. He has a few fantastic games, and rarely looks dreadful. When he has less talent and in a system that is not clicking (as in the 2014 Eagles season) he looks mediocre. When he has Jeff Fisher running the offense, he looks dreadful. Now, for the important part:  I could replace  2014 Eagles with 2017 Bills with 2017 and Jeff Fisher with Rick Dennison, and TT would absolutely apply.