CDogg20 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 A lot of mocks have us taking one of the two and im interested to hear which one is preferred around here. A lot of good things in both their games but I think id rather have Vea. What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hurst is a McDermott guy, senior, 4 year starter and clean cut guy. He is also more than a piece of meat to stick into the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, Tatonka68 said: Hurst is a McDermott guy, senior, 4 year starter and clean cut guy. He is also more than a piece of meat to stick into the middle of the field. He does fit the McD mold. I’d be happy with either one of them honestly but I love the strength of Vea. Space eater who commands double teams frees up the linebackers to make more plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I don't think he will drop to us but Vita Vea would kill Tom Brady. He may not get a ton of sacks but he will kill the oppositions running game and destroy the place where Brady and Bree's like to step into to throw perfect strikes. Vita is a no brainer but I doubt he makes it to us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I like Vea because of his size. I think we need someone who with clog the middle and stop the run. Hurst is a little small for D-Tackle in the NFL, in my opinion. Maybe a good 3-4 end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I don't think he will drop to us but Vita Vea would kill Tom Brady. He may not get a ton of sacks but he will kill the oppositions running game and destroy the place where Brady and Bree's like to step into to throw perfect strikes. Vita is a no brainer but I doubt he makes it to us. Mike Mayock on a website broke down some of Vita Vea and basically said he's an ox in the middle...incredibly strong. He showed a few plays where Vea just moved a 300+ lineman out of the way like the guy was a rag doll. It wasn't a full body, get under the pads push....he just grabbed him and threw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I don't think he will drop to us but Vita Vea would kill Tom Brady. He may not get a ton of sacks but he will kill the oppositions running game and destroy the place where Brady and Bree's like to step into to throw perfect strikes. Vita is a no brainer but I doubt he makes it to us. This is where I’m at. Vea’s size and power would be a great addition to the front 4. To beat Brady you need to push the pocket in his face. He’s an amazing athlete for a guy his size too. That tackle he made on punt coverage in the bowl game was special. Edited January 11, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 DT starters of Star Lotulelei and Maurice Hurst with Kyle Williams as a situational back up works for me. ILB either Micah Kizer, Josey Jewell or Mike McCray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, VirginiaMike said: I like Vea because of his size. I think we need someone who with clog the middle and stop the run. Hurst is a little small for D-Tackle in the NFL, in my opinion. Maybe a good 3-4 end. I just looked it up....Hurst is only 270 lbs. Aaron Donald was considered light for a DT at 290 lbs... I see Hurst definitely as a 3-4 end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Vea is not a "3-TECH" DT so does not fit the system. Sorry folks. Hurst, Wilkins and Nnadi are players that fit the defense. Wilkins is a junior from Clemson, and Bills have bad luck with Clemson players, Nnadi is a senior and fits the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Of the 2 I like Vea. I like Payne though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Vea would be the fit for the defense and a huge upgrade as a run stuffing DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I just looked it up....Hurst is only 270 lbs. Aaron Donald was considered light for a DT at 290 lbs... I see Hurst definitely as a 3-4 end. He played this season at 289. Hurst is definitely a 3-tech. Key to being a 5-tech is length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Just now, Tortured Soul said: He played this season at 289. Hurst is definitely a 3-tech. Key to being a 5-tech is length. Okay...I just did a quick google search and had him at 270 lbs. I was going off of that. Thanks for the correction. Edited January 11, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Either one would be awesome but have seen more of Maurice Hurst because i don’t watch much pac 10. He is Kyle Williams/Aaron Donald-ish. Playing in senior bowl so will be good to watch there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Okay...I just did a quick google search and had him at 270 lbs. I was going off of that. Thanks for the correction. I'm seeing different numbers, too. I guess we'll find out at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Neither I think they are both Busts! No kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If this is Hurst from Michigan then I'd say both of them. Hurst is incredibly light for a DT. Heaviest I've seen him listed is 282lbs. The lightest I've seen him listed is 269lbs. Aaron Donald gives me some positive vibes about Hurst's size and play, but you'll need a space eater next to him IMO. Hurst at the 3 tech and Vea at the Nose/1tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tortured Soul said: I'm seeing different numbers, too. I guess we'll find out at the combine. I made the mistake by just looking at the very first profile I saw on google....that profile was Wikipedia. Never trust Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Vea is the guy. He is the next Holoti Ngata. 6'5", 340 lbs and strong as an ox but moves like he is 290. He is big and strong enough to be a great 3-4 nose tackle but athletic enough to fit into a versatile 4-3 scheme. Edited January 11, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Even though I’ve only seen 2-3 of his games if I had to choose the best interior DL I watched this year it would be Harrison Phillips from Stanford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Even though I’ve only seen 2-3 of his games if I had to choose the best interior DL I watched this year it would be Harrison Phillips from Stanford. What kind of DT is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: What kind of DT is he? He is not a big time pass rusher which is why he won’t go in the 1st. But he’s amazing against the run - will make LBs look much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He is not a big time pass rusher which is why he won’t go in the 1st. But he’s amazing against the run - will make LBs look much better. We could use two DT, especially if Williams retires. You think maybe he could be there in the 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: We could use two DT, especially if Williams retires. You think maybe he could be there in the 3rd? Too early to tell. Right now I would guess he’s a 2nd rounder but it’s possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: We could use two DT, especially if Williams retires. You think maybe he could be there in the 3rd? Even if Williams doesn't retire I still think we'll need 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Even if Williams doesn't retire I still think we'll need 2. You're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: Even if Williams doesn't retire I still think we'll need 2. Need at least one edge rusher as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Even if Williams doesn't retire I still think we'll need 2. I agree, dont really know much about anyone else who isnt expected to go in the first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I would prefer Vea. When we traded Dareus, it wasn't speed and quickness we were lacking. It was a brute in the trenches that couldn't be moved and forced the opposing running backs to look elsewhere for lanes. Once he left, our line was put on roller skates and blown up regularly, forcing big time plays from either defensive backs or a very mediocre LB corpse in order to stop the run, not a recipe for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'd go with Hurst. He's no Donald, but he gets off his blocks really well and should be pretty disruptive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: We could use two DT, especially if Williams retires. You think maybe he could be there in the 3rd? One in free agency and one in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: Vea is not a "3-TECH" DT so does not fit the system. Sorry folks. Hurst, Wilkins and Nnadi are players that fit the defense. Wilkins is a junior from Clemson, and Bills have bad luck with Clemson players, Nnadi is a senior and fits the system. he can be the 1-tech though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Vea only AFTER we have a QB and sign Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Vea would fit great as a run stuffer in this defense. The LBs need guys like him to fly around and make plays. Vea has enough athleticism to be a pass rush threat too. Would be a top 10 pick if not a NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The only DTs I see with NFL potential are.... Da’Ron Payne - All around stud little weakness, not as quick as Bryan, but does it all. Taven Bryan - Pass rush, Quick off the Ball, penetrates, strong hands, arm length a plus. Both can split double teams. Not overly impressed by Vita Vea, Hurst or Wilkins. Vita is mainly a hold your ground take on double teams, limited pass rush, sometimes in games is never seen. Hurst is undersized, decent get off, limited pass rush and struggles for the most part with double teams. Wilkins I feel is a more compact Alophus Washington. Little more stout but just doesn’t pop off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Mike Mayock on a website broke down some of Vita Vea and basically said he's an ox in the middle...incredibly strong. He showed a few plays where Vea just moved a 300+ lineman out of the way like the guy was a rag doll. It wasn't a full body, get under the pads push....he just grabbed him and threw him. That's why I went with Vea as well. Plus he's quick and agile for a man his size. Just a complete beast. I would even be ok with using pick 21 and maybe a 2nd and sliding up the board a little just to grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If I were convinced Hurst has Aaron Donald athleticism and drive, I might lean toward him. There is a risk, however, in that, if he doesn't, he's going to get pushed around and run on in the NFL because he is undersized at defensive tackle. Vea is a safer pick IMO, because of his size. Observers are saying he also is freakishly athletic to the point where being 340 lbs he could still play defensive end (presumably in a 3-4 defense). He's quick and strong as a bear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Payne is better than both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 While others have more upside , I think Vea is a sure fire contributor right away . Remember Bean said in the first round they ask "what about the player would make them fail". I think With Vea's size and strength he will be a productive NFL player right away with very little risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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