QB Film Room: Josh Allen

[Buffalo716]

The most polarizing QB prospect in this class, Josh Allen, has coaches and scouts alike drooling over what they can mold this kid into.

 

OVERVIEW

 

The 6'5 230 pound JR looks the part. Josh Allen is an impressive athlete for a bigger guy. He shakes off defensive lineman with ease as he scrambles around to make a play. He has a quick release and arm strength more closely linked to a howitzer than a human. 

 

While his physical attributes are off the charts he certainly has a long way to go to becoming a refined passer. Touch, is not really is Josh's vocabulary yet. At short ranges he consistently throws uncatchable balls due to lack of touch and improper mechanics 

 

but he makes up for some of his short area shortcomings with an impressive deep ball and the ability to throw a WR open

 

At times he displays too much faith in his arm which leads to poor decisions. He believes he can fit balls into windows that aren't there

 

which leads to his never say die attitude. He never gives up on a play whether it is with his arm or legs which leads to big plays and some negative ones as well.

 

Josh Allen is big, strong, young and shows plenty of promise. His arm strength is top notch and he routinely makes throws few others can. But he is still a raw QB who must work on the nuances of the QB position. If Josh can work out some issues in his mechanics and improve his ability to read the field the sky is the limit

 

STRENGTHS

 

- High end arm strength 

- Very good deep ball

-Good accuracy on mid level throws

-Great size

-Very good athlete 

-throws on run well

-has worked under center 

-good at extending plays

-makes bigtime throws

-plays with heart

 

NEGATIVES

 

- Not a nuanced passer 

- lacks touch on short throws

- needs work on footwork

- misses routine throws 

-sees windows that aren't there 

-throws up too many 50/50 balls

-aggressiveness is a double edged sword 

- can improve vision when reading the field

 

Bottom Line

 

All in all josh Allen is a highly thought of prospect who will go off the board probably in the early part of the first round. His size, Athleticism and raw arm talent is enough to make plenty of GMs drool over and he's the perfect prospect to mold behind an established vet

 

GRADE

 

78.6 ( high end PROSPECT)

Edited January 18, 2018 by Buffalo716

[section122]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

NEGATIVES

 

- Not a nuanced passer 

- lacks touch on short throws

- needs work on footwork

- misses routine throws 

-sees windows that aren't there 

-throws up too many 50/50 balls

 

 

 

Those are very troubling negatives.  Are there any examples of a guy coming in with these issues and actually correcting them?  I'm drawing a blank trying to think of someone.  Specifically the missing routine throws.  It isn't going to get easier and the windows will get smaller.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

Those are very troubling negatives.  Are there any examples of a guy coming in with these issues and actually correcting them?  I'm drawing a blank trying to think of someone.  Specifically the missing routine throws.  It isn't going to get easier and the windows will get smaller.

 

Off the top of my head No

[section122]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Off the top of my head No

Yeah me either but I am sure there are some.  This is an interesting year wrt the qb position.  There are going to be so many camps even if/when the Bills draft a qb people are going to be mad.  I haven't dove in yet but watched a lot of Mayfield and Darnold this year.  I see the hype for Darnold and get why its there but he screams bust to me at the next level.  I like Mayfield's moxy and style of play.  Gonna be an interesting offseason!

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

Yeah me either but I am sure there are some.  This is an interesting year wrt the qb position.  There are going to be so many camps even if/when the Bills draft a qb people are going to be mad.  I haven't dove in yet but watched a lot of Mayfield and Darnold this year.  I see the hype for Darnold and get why its there but he screams bust to me at the next level.  I like Mayfield's moxy and style of play.  Gonna be an interesting offseason!

 

Yea I'm sure there are a few examples just not any recent 1st round picks that I could think of from the last 10-20 years off my head

 

I think Baker is the exact opposite of Allen as a passer. I will do one on Baker as well but I see Baker as a refined passer already able to play in an NFL west coast scheme

 

he is a rythem passer who can throw to all levels with good touch 

[section122]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Yea I'm sure there are a few examples just not any recent 1st round picks that I could think of from the last 10-20 years off my head

 

I think Baker is the exact opposite of Allen as a passer. I will do one on Baker as well but I see Baker as a refined passer already able to play in an NFL west coast scheme

 

he is a rythem passer who can throw to all levels with good touch 

Sweet I look forward to it.  Do you plan on going through all the top guys?  Jackson, Mayfield, Rudolph, and Allen look to be the guys the Bills have a shot at. 

[Buffalo716]

49 minutes ago, section122 said:

Sweet I look forward to it.  Do you plan on going through all the top guys?  Jackson, Mayfield, Rudolph, and Allen look to be the guys the Bills have a shot at. 

 

Yes. It takes a while to do so I can only do about 5-8 guys a year depending on the crop

 

Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, and Jackson are all locks

 

I will also do Mason Rudolph and maybe 1-2 other guys

[LEBills]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The most polarizing QB prospect in this class, Josh Allen, has coaches and scouts alike drooling over what they can mold this kid into.

 

OVERVIEW

 

The 6'5 230 pound JR looks the part. Josh Allen is an impressive athlete for a bigger guy. He shakes off defensive lineman with ease as he scrambles around to make a play. He has a quick release and arm strength more closely linked to a howitzer than a human. 

 

While his physical attributes are off the charts he certainly has a long way to go to becoming a refined passer. Touch, is not really is Josh's vocabulary yet. At short ranges he consistently throws uncatchable balls due to lack of touch and improper mechanics 

 

but he makes up for some of his short area shortcomings with an impressive deep ball and the ability to throw a WR open

 

At times he displays too much faith in his arm which leads to poor decisions. He believes he can fit balls into windows that aren't there

 

which leads to his never say die attitude. He never gives up on a play whether it is with his arm or legs which leads to big plays and some negative ones as well.

 

Josh Allen is big, strong, young and shows plenty of promise. His arm strength is top notch and he routinely makes throws few others can. But he is still a raw QB who must work on the nuances of the QB position. If Josh can work out some issues in his mechanics and improve his ability to read the field the sky is the limit

 

STRENGTHS

 

- High end arm strength 

- Very good deep ball

-Good accuracy on mid level throws

-Great size

-Very good athlete 

-throws on run well

-has worked under center 

-good at extending plays

-makes bigtime throws

-plays with heart

 

NEGATIVES

 

- Not a nuanced passer 

- lacks touch on short throws

- needs work on footwork

- misses routine throws 

-sees windows that aren't there 

-throws up too many 50/50 balls

-aggressiveness is a double edged sword 

- can improve vision when reading the field

 

Bottom Line

 

All in all josh Allen is a highly thought of prospect who will go off the board probably in the early part of the first round. His size, Athleticism and raw arm talent is enough to make plenty of GMs drool over and he's the perfect prospect to mold behind an established vet

 

 

I am a huge Josh Allen fan. I think your assessment is fair and do want to say some of my thoughts.

 

I bolded one of your positives because this is the biggest thing I learned about Allen from 2016 to 2017. In 2016 he was a first year starter and the lights of being a public figure and leader may have been a little bright for him. This year, he was the heart and competitive fire of that Wyoming team. With him injured Wyo lost to San Jose St - maybe the worst D1 program in the country this year - for heavens sake! What I saw this year from Allen was a competitiveness in the mold of Phillip Rivers. I knew from 2016 his physical abilities, in 2017 you got to see his heart.

 

To get to some of his negatives. He is not a nuanced passer. He never attended big time QB camps bc he was a country boy playing multiple sports. He has basically risen to his stature based on his immense talent without much molding. Even at Wyoming, Bohl is a defensive coach not meant to develop great QBs. If you can get a good QB coach with Allen, even one of those gurus like Big Ben went to, I think he would develop fast. 

 

Do i think Allen will ever become a franchise QB? I think the odds are stacked against him BUT they are stacked against ever QB coming out of college.

 

In the end, Allen’s god given abilities is going to give him an edge in the NFL. He can hit throws and windows no one else can. That will give him a chance because it’ll let him get away with more things until he gets better used to the game. He will be perfect in a cold weather, open stadium team that lets him air it out a lot, not bubble screens. 

 

I think Denver is going to draft him and that’ll be a great spot for him. Pittsburgh would also be great. As would Buffalo. I’m really rooting for the kid and will be ecstatic if he is a Bill. IMO, he is just shy of what Big Ben was coming out but with a more fiery attitude.

 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Yes. It takes a while to do so I can only do about 5-8 guys a year depending on the crop

 

Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, and Jackson are all locks

 

I will also do Mason Rudolph and maybe 1-2 other guys

I’d suggest Mike White from WKU.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, LEBills said:

 

I am a huge Josh Allen fan. I think your assessment is fair and do want to say some of my thoughts.

 

I bolded one of your positives because this is the biggest thing I learned about Allen from 2016 to 2017. In 2016 he was a first year starter and the lights of being a public figure and leader may have been a little bright for him. This year, he was the heart and competitive fire of that Wyoming team. With him injured Wyo lost to San Jose St - maybe the worst D1 program in the country this year - for heavens sake! What I saw this year from Allen was a competitiveness in the mold of Phillip Rivers. I knew from 2016 his physical abilities, in 2017 you got to see his heart.

 

To get to some of his negatives. He is not a nuanced passer. He never attended big time QB camps bc he was a country boy playing multiple sports. He has basically risen to his stature based on his immense talent without much molding. Even at Wyoming, Bohl is a defensive coach not meant to develop great QBs. If you can get a good QB coach with Allen, even one of those gurus like Big Ben went to, I think he would develop fast. 

 

Do i think Allen will ever become a franchise QB? I think the odds are stacked against him BUT they are stacked against ever QB coming out of college.

 

In the end, Allen’s god given abilities is going to give him an edge in the NFL. He can hit throws and windows no one else can. That will give him a chance because it’ll let him get away with more things until he gets better used to the game. He will be perfect in a cold weather, open stadium team that lets him air it out a lot, not bubble screens. 

 

I think Denver is going to draft him and that’ll be a great spot for him. Pittsburgh would also be great. As would Buffalo. I’m really rooting for the kid and will be ecstatic if he is a Bill. IMO, he is just shy of what Big Ben was coming out but with a more fiery attitude.

 

 

 

I agree with a lot of what you have to say.

 

him not growing up in the big time passing camps definitely hurt his recruiting and his development a bit 

 

but his God given talent is why he will be drafted so high

Edited January 11, 2018 by Buffalo716

[Jay_Fixit]

56% as a sophomore.

56.3% as a junior.

 

These are troubling numbers. 

 

For or someone who’s expected to be a high pick, you’d think he’d be able to complete more passes. And It has nothing to do with the talent he throws to.

[Mat68]

51 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

56% as a sophomore.

56.3% as a junior.

 

These are troubling numbers. 

 

For or someone who’s expected to be a high pick, you’d think he’d be able to complete more passes. And It has nothing to do with the talent he throws to.

He didnt get inflated spread numbers.  No smoke screens for a third of his passes.  Imo one of the biggest take aways with Allen is he has won more games at Wyoming than and Qb in a 2 year stretch since at minimum 1989.  They were 2-10 before he arrived. 

[C.Biscuit97]

It's amazing that a 56% passer with a terrible QBR from the Mountain West is being talked about as a 1st rounder.  Being tall is awesome. 

52 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He didnt get inflated spread numbers.  No smoke screens for a third of his passes.  Imo one of the biggest take aways with Allen is he has won more games at Wyoming than and Qb in a 2 year stretch since at minimum 1989.  They were 2-10 before he arrived. 

I don't have the time but the amount of college Qbs who complete less than 60% who become successful NFL Qbs is very rare.  There was a ton of hype about Connor Cook coming out, who completed less than 60% of his passes. In the Big Ten. 

 

Cook got beat out in camp by EJ. If we were a team like GB, maybe I could get behind a project like Allen.  But when a team hasn't developed a qb in over 30 years, you need a more complete one in the first round.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Yea I'm sure there are a few examples just not any recent 1st round picks that I could think of from the last 10-20 years off my head

 

I think Baker is the exact opposite of Allen as a passer. I will do one on Baker as well but I see Baker as a refined passer already able to play in an NFL west coast scheme

 

he is a rythem passer who can throw to all levels with good touch 

 

Which is why we should draft Mayfield. 

 

C'mon Cleveland get Allen!

 

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Which is why we should draft Mayfield. 

 

C'mon Cleveland get Allen!

 

 

 

I really am starting to get a little QB man crush on Baker and that doesnt happen often 

 

I usually am pretty reserved especially about QBs but some people just have "it". 

 

He can sling a football no doubt. Much better than a guy his size should be able too.

 

ive seen him rip it 55-60 yards backfoot

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I really am starting to get a little QB man crush on Baker and that doesnt happen often 

 

I usually am pretty reserved especially about QBs but some people just have "it". 

 

He can sling a football no doubt. Much better than a guy his size should be able too.

 

ive seen him rip it 55-60 yards backfoot

 

Amen brother.

 

I didn't like him last year because he was Oklahoma spread and small. However every year I watch all the QBs weather I like them or not and he just kept impressing me and now Im all in.

 

 

[Mat68]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It's amazing that a 56% passer with a terrible QBR from the Mountain West is being talked about as a 1st rounder.  Being tall is awesome. 

I don't have the time but the amount of college Qbs who complete less than 60% who become successful NFL Qbs is very rare.  There was a ton of hype about Connor Cook coming out, who completed less than 60% of his passes. In the Big Ten. 

 

Cook got beat out in camp by EJ. If we were a team like GB, maybe I could get behind a project like Allen.  But when a team hasn't developed a qb in over 30 years, you need a more complete one in the first round.

No less than qbs under 6'1 or Qbs from the Big12.

[ddaryl]

Keep him.. you can't mold a QB that has never demonstrated consitent accuracy in College

 

ALl I see is EJ Manual

[SWATeam]

I could see us drafting him to sit and develop for a year or two behind an Alex Smith type.

[Woodman19]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

Keep him.. you can't mold a QB that has never demonstrated consitent accuracy in College

 

ALl I see is EJ Manual

And yet Manuel had

65.1

69.9

65.3

68.0

For his four years of completion percentages in college.  I'm not saying Allen is accurate, but there is more to a QB's accuracy than college stats.

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, Woodman19 said:

And yet Manuel had

65.1

69.9

65.3

68.0

For his four years of completion percentages in college.  I'm not saying Allen is accurate, but there is more to a QB's accuracy than college stats.

 

 

This is true.. but he also came in with lots of question marks about his accuracy just the same. and his 1st 2 years he had less than 100 attempts.  His college game plan was divide the field in half.. SO EJ's ability to progress through full reads was a huge unknown since he was never required to do it

 

You will find a good amount of 60 + % career college passers not make it in the NFL. You will be EXTREMELY HARD PRESSED to find any college QB whom had a sub 60% completion pct... do much of anything at the pro level...

 

As it stands right now I think Allen's pro career will be similar to Manuels.

 

maybe Allen breaks the trend but if your a gambling man the odds are greatly stacked against this

 

BUT this part of the quote below is exactly what they used to sell EJ

 

Quote

 

 His size, Athleticism and raw arm talent is enough to make plenty of GMs drool over and he's the perfect prospect to mold behind an established vet

 

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by ddaryl

[LEBills]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

This is true.. but he also came in with lots of question marks about his accuracy just the same. and his 1st 2 years he had less than 100 attempts.  His college game plan was divide the field in half.. SO EJ's ability to progress through full reads was a huge unknown since he was never required to do it

 

You will find a good amount of 60 + % career college passers not make it in the NFL. You will be EXTREMELY HARD PRESSED to find any college QB whom had a sub 60% completion pct... do much of anything at the pro level...

 

As it stands right now I think Allen's pro career will be similar to Manuels.

 

maybe Allen breaks the trend but if your a gambling man the odds are greatly stacked against this

 

BUT this part of the quote below is exactly what they used to sell EJ

 

 

 

What I am going to say with these stats is that Allen is a little inaccurate. His inaccuracy is a result of inconsistent mechanics. However, he is also one of the least developed big time QB prospects we have seen. He is not a kid that has been working on his mechanics since middle school and just can’t get it. He is a kid who grew up on a farm, and played baseball when football was over. Once he gets real coaching around how to be a QB, he will become more consistent and will become more accurate. The question becomes do we fans have the stomach to wait for him, and most fans don’t and I don’t blame them. I still think he can have some success playing the way he does while learning how to be a better QB.

 

Like all draft prospects, we will see!

[Mat68]

I would 100% feel more confident with Allen at Qb week 1 than I would with Baker Mayfield week 1.  Allen has made more pro level passes in his bowl game than Mayfield made his whole career.  Looking at a guy coming out with similar arm talent and surrounding casts.  Farve, Marino and Cutler all have similar completition %.  Its hard to compare his stats nowadays with so many spread qbs and offenses.  Those qbs are not as accurate as their % says.  They pass in bigger windows and are asked to make easier throws that are far and few between in the NFL.  I like the moxy on the field of Allen and his ability to make throws no one else can.  If Im a great coach I can teach him the nuances.  I can't teach the positives that Allen has.  He can pin point a skinny post over a linebaker, before the saftey and inside the corner.  

[ddaryl]

15 hours ago, LEBills said:

What I am going to say with these stats is that Allen is a little inaccurate. His inaccuracy is a result of inconsistent mechanics. However, he is also one of the least developed big time QB prospects we have seen. He is not a kid that has been working on his mechanics since middle school and just can’t get it. He is a kid who grew up on a farm, and played baseball when football was over. Once he gets real coaching around how to be a QB, he will become more consistent and will become more accurate. The question becomes do we fans have the stomach to wait for him, and most fans don’t and I don’t blame them. I still think he can have some success playing the way he does while learning how to be a better QB.

 

Like all draft prospects, we will see!

 

 

Disagree on that.. If you have accuracy and need to hone it in then you can work on the mechanics but if you don't have the accuracy to begin with it ain't happening IMO

 

But what do I know, I'm just a message board GM.. There is always an anomaly eventually....

[Billsfansinceday1]

On 1/12/2018 at 8:36 AM, ddaryl said:

 

 

Disagree on that.. If you have accuracy and need to hone it in then you can work on the mechanics but if you don't have the accuracy to begin with it ain't happening IMO

 

But what do I know, I'm just a message board GM.. There is always an anomaly eventually....

So, which came first, the bad mechanics or the inaccuracy?  

 

I am not enthusiastic about bringing in a project with great raw talent that will take years to develop.  

[ddaryl]

inaccuracy always comes 1st, but by the time you're heading to the pros if you don't have that dialed, it most likely is not going to happen later on...

[thenorthremembers]

Went back and re-watched every throw from three games for each of the top rated passers in this years draft, including Allen.  Walked away with the same impression I had of him after watching three games earlier in the season.   He may have the best arm I have ever seen, but with that being said I think he is the kind of Quarterback who will be drafted on potential alone, and really shouldn't be picked before the third round.   Even considering the lack of talent around him he has gigantic meltdowns during games and doesn't do a good job of bouncing back from them.  Even his "most impressive" game of the season against Central Michigan was a bit of a misnomer.   Feel like he is a project quarterback and I truly hope the Bills dont consider him in the first round.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Went back and re-watched every throw from three games for each of the top rated passers in this years draft, including Allen.  Walked away with the same impression I had of him after watching three games earlier in the season.   He may have the best arm I have ever seen, but with that being said I think he is the kind of Quarterback who will be drafted on potential alone, and really shouldn't be picked before the third round.   Even considering the lack of talent around him he has gigantic meltdowns during games and doesn't do a good job of bouncing back from them.  Even his "most impressive" game of the season against Central Michigan was a bit of a misnomer.   Feel like he is a project quarterback and I truly hope the Bills dont consider him in the first round.

 

He is definitely going in round 1 whether he should or shouldn't 

 

as for best arm ever... that is a bit hyperbole 

 

arm talent is just as much accuracy and touch as it is strength and he lacks very much in the touch category and a bit in the accuracy category so I wouldn't call it the best arm I've ever seen . Not at all . 

 

It it is very strong no doubt and he makes some wow throws for sure

 

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by Buffalo716

[jrober38]

Guys with his set of "Negatives" never work out in the NFL. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Guys with his set of "Negatives" never work out in the NFL. 

 

Pretty much . I would stay away from him 

 

i mean I wrote the scouting report but my options still valid

[TigerJ]

The problem with a prospect like Josh Allen in the top of the first round is teams there typically need a QB, and can't afford to draft a player in the first round only to have him sit for a couple years.  A QB like Allen is really a better fit for a team like New Orleans or (cough, cough) New England Patriots, but those teams will never get a crack at him.  Thank goodness in the case of the Patriots.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

He is definitely going in round 1 whether he should or shouldn't 

 

as for best arm ever... that is a bit hyperbole 

 

arm talent is just as much accuracy and touch as it is strength and he lacks very much in the touch category and a bit in the accuracy category so I wouldn't call it the best arm I've ever seen . Not at all . 

 

It it is very strong no doubt and he makes some wow throws for sure

 

 

 

Could be the next Jay Cutler

 

 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Could be the next Jay Cutler

 

 

 

That's a realistic comparison 

[CritMark]

I don't understand the fuss over this guy.  Did we trade in game tape for a measuring tape?  He completed 56% of his passes in the Mountain West for G-d sake.  In his games against a power 5 team he had 1 TD and 8 INTs.  Do pro scouts think he will see easier defenses in the NFL? 

 

If you could get him in the 3rd or 4th round as a project, sure.  As a top ten pick as many people think he will be, I am baffled. 

 

I remember another big strong QB that had much better numbers than Allen in college, playing in the SEC no less.  His name was Jamarcus Russell.  While that's probably not a fair comparison, if both came out the same year there is no way Allen would have gone ahead of Russell.  Just sayin!

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

That's a realistic comparison 

 

How's Mayfield coming?

 

I keep hearing ideas that he is not a McDermott guy because of his attitude, but I'm not buying it. Aside from the DUI his other transgressions came from his fiery competitiveness, which to me would be exactly what McD wants.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

How's Mayfield coming?

 

I keep hearing ideas that he is not a McDermott guy because of his attitude, but I'm not buying it. Aside from the DUI his other transgressions came from his fiery competitiveness, which to me would be exactly what McD wants.

 

 

 

Its good. I am pretty much finished with Baker and Darnold I wasn't sure who to post first.

 

i will go with Baker then.

 

I will probably post it tomorrow sometime because I pride myself in my amount of info so all my reports are fairly long lol I'm too tired to type it up tonight lol

[CritMark]

Looking forward to the Baker Mayfield write up.  He is the opposite end of the spectrum on trading game tape for a measuring tape.  A LOT of people are discounting him because of his height.  They put Allen ahead of Mayfield on the basis of a tape measure.  Look at the film.  I have heard a hundred times, the tape don't lie.

 

Can't wait to read what you think.

 

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, CritMark said:

Looking forward to the Baker Mayfield write up.  He is the opposite end of the spectrum on trading game tape for a measuring tape.  A LOT of people are discounting him because of his height.  They put Allen ahead of Mayfield on the basis of a tape measure.  Look at the film.  I have heard a hundred times, the tape don't lie.

 

Can't wait to read what you think.

 

 

Well of course I will publish my scouting report here but for a quick spoiler yes he is ahead of Allen on my big board by quite a bit

 

As of today they aren't close as QBs. Baker is better hands down in his development 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, CritMark said:

Looking forward to the Baker Mayfield write up.  He is the opposite end of the spectrum on trading game tape for a measuring tape.  A LOT of people are discounting him because of his height.  They put Allen ahead of Mayfield on the basis of a tape measure.  Look at the film.  I have heard a hundred times, the tape don't lie.

 

Can't wait to read what you think.

 

 

I'm hoping he falls because of his height and lands with us.

 

 

[CritMark]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I'm hoping he falls because of his height and lands with us.

 

 

 

I don't see any way that happens.  From my count, here are the QB needy teams as well as a few that rumors have them moving on from their incumbent.  I added my perceived likelihood they take a QB.  In a few cases I made a distinction between taking a QB and taking Mayfield specifically if he is on the board.

 

1 & 4 - Cleveland - There is no way they don't take a QB with one of these two picks.  Wait, we're talking about Cleveland! QB = 100%

2 - NY Giants - Now would be the perfect time for them to take a QB to sit behind Eli for 1 year.  QB = 99%

5 - Denver - Their QB situation is a mess. I think they are in the market but think Elway's first option is free agency.  Even with that, taking a longer term QB is a possibility. QB = 75%

6. NY Jets - If Denver passes on a QB I expect to see the Jets take the best of the rest. QB = 60%, Mayfield = 75%

11. Miami - the fans are growing tired of Tannehill.  They have seen enough to know he is not getting them to the SB.  QB = 50%, Mayfield = 75%

12. Cincinnati - Same as Miami bur insert Dalton for Tannehill. QB = 50%, Mayfield = 75%

15. Arizona - they have NO QB.  Even if they pick one up in free agency I would expect them to take one here if one of the top five are on the board. QB = 75%

 17. LA Chargers - Not necessarily a needy team, but if Mayfield is on the board, I think they would grab him. QB = 25%, Mayfield = 75%

 

That is a long gauntlet to run in the hopes of getting Mayfield to fall to 21. So the question is, would they bundle the two picks to move up to take a QB of their liking, whoever that may be?

 

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21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

as for best arm ever... that is a bit hyperbole 

 

arm talent is just as much accuracy and touch as it is strength and he lacks very much in the touch category and a bit in the accuracy category so I wouldn't call it the best arm I've ever seen . Not at all . 

Ryan Mallet had the strongest arm I can remember seeing.  It was insane how quickly he could release a 40-50 yard dart.  Of course he was also a statue.

 

As previously stated, Russell had a cannon too.  QB's like Allen aren't THAT rare, and they usually just don't work out.