The Wall.

[Paulus]

2 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said:

 

No, it was actually kind of nice.

 

For example, if a person had a health issue, we didn't mock them for it and kick them out of the house. 

Only if they paid...

Edited January 12, 2018 by Paulus

[GG]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

Lost in all this is the fact that Haiti actually is a shithole.

 

Of course it is, but it is immaterial now.

 

Just like you wouldn't call a person struggling with his weight, "a fat slob," because the insult immediately diverts the conversation from the goal.

 

With one little word, trump managed to wipe out any semblance of goodwill he's built up over the last couple of months.

 

Just like he can't shake the perception that he's an unmitigated moron.

[outsidethebox]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Of course it is, but it is immaterial now.

 

Just like you wouldn't call a person struggling with his weight, "a fat slob," because the insult immediately diverts the conversation from the goal.

 

With one little word, trump managed to wipe out any semblance of goodwill he's built up over the last couple of months.

 

Just like he can't shake the perception that he's an unmitigated moron.

Would you and your liberal buddies consider Haitians deplorables?

[Cugalabanza]

Only the ones who voted for Trump

[3rdnlng]

If Trump didn't call certain countries shitholes then he should have. Our country was built on the backs of people striving to make it better and reflect our values. We don't need to bring people here who don't respect those values.

[GG]

10 minutes ago, westside said:

Would you and your liberal buddies consider Haitians deplorables?

 

My liberal buddies are in an irreparable state of TDS and they weren't the target of my post.

[row_33]

My Prime Minster grandstanded and welcomed everyone from Haiti who could get to the border last year, then there was no place for them and 92% were immediately deported back.

 

But it was the thought that counts.

 

And Haiti isn't a Commonwealth nation in the first place.

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Lost in all this is the fact that Haiti actually is a shithole.

So were Italy and Ireland, but we let those people in. What's your point? 

[Tiberius]

"My parents came from one of those countries, took an oath of allegiance to it, and took on the responsibilities of everything that being a citizen comes with," she said in a statement.

"The President must apologize to both the American people and the nations he so wantonly maligned," Love said.

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/368627-gop-rep-mia-love-calls-on-trump-to-apologize-for-those-he-watonly

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Cugalabanza said:

 

No, it was actually kind of nice.

 

 

Well, that's good then.

 

1 hour ago, Cugalabanza said:

 

For example, if a person had a health issue, we didn't mock them for it and kick them out of the house.  We called the doctor and tried to help them.  

 

When they had a health issue, did you deny they had a health issue out of fear of hurting their feelings?

[Cugalabanza]

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Well, that's good then.

 

 

When they had a health issue, did you deny they had a health issue out of fear of hurting their feelings?

 

No, but we always made sure to make it absolutely clear how BAD and SHAMEFUL it is to get sick.  We berated them about it and used vulgar language.  Because we all know there are exactly two ways to deal with an issue.  1.  Ignore it completely.  2.  Scream belligerently at everyone until you get the attention you crave.

[row_33]

3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Lost in all this is the fact that Haiti actually is a shithole.

 

The US hasn't been that status since Jimmy Carter sunk it right into shithole or worse.

 

Then Reagan fixed it.

 

 

[Albwan]

     The wall idea is stupid, it's not going to stop anything. To me it's just a smokescreen.

The democrats are going to to get every single thing that they want and trump is going

to screw his base into the ground, a slow four year burn.

 

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Albwan said:

     The wall idea is stupid, it's not going to stop anything. To me it's just a smokescreen.

The democrats are going to to get every single thing that they want and trump is going

to screw his base into the ground, a slow four year burn.

 

 

the perception that the free ride into the US is over is the important thing

 

the idea is to have the best world possible, not the world that spoiled brat Dems dream up while stoned

 

 

[Paulus]

21 minutes ago, Albwan said:

     The wall idea is stupid, it's not going to stop anything. To me it's just a smokescreen.

The democrats are going to to get every single thing that they want and trump is going

to screw his base into the ground, a slow four year burn.

 

This is the dumbest argument. "It won't stop thaaaammm!!!!!" 

You do know you can make that argument for all the measures we take to preserve our sovereignty.  I mean, prisoners escape, illegal aliens sneak by agents all the time, etc. Even North Korea's border has people illegally cross it, and the deterrent there is a bullet. 

 

No deterrent is or security measure is 100% foolproof.  But, your logic can apply to them all. Therefore, we should have no security measures.  

 

"Bullets won't stop thaaaaaammm!"

 

I wonder if people really believe their argument opining a wall won't help ("work").

[Albwan]

1 minute ago, Paulus said:

This is the dumbest argument. "It won't stop thaaaammm!!!!!" 

You do know you can make that argument for all the measures we take to preserve our sovereignty.  I mean, prisoners escape, illegal aliens sneak by agents all the time, etc. Even North Korea's border has people illegally cross it, and the deterrent there is a bullet. 

 

No deterrent is or security measure is 100% foolproof.  But, your logic can apply to them all. Therefore, we should have no security measures.  

 

"Bullets won't stop thaaaaaammm!"

 

I wonder if people really believe their argument opining a wall won't help ("work").

Do walls stop rats from getting in your house? I'm not being symbolic, literally a wall won't work.

Plus when you are fighting the left who are trying to fill the country with democratic voters,

it really seems like a losing cause any way you slice it.

[Dunkirk Donna]

omg a wall is SUCH A GOOD IDEA!

 

[Dunkirk Donna]

How many feet tall should the wall be? I think at least 749 feet is a good idea so they can't throw their drugs over the top

[Paulus]

18 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Do walls stop rats from getting in your house? I'm not being symbolic, literally a wall won't work.

Plus when you are fighting the left who are trying to fill the country with democratic voters,

it really seems like a losing cause any way you slice it.

Walls deter rats. Walls keep people out all the time!!! Why are prisons surrounded by walls if they work so poorly? Why do all these liberal billionaires erect walls around their compounds? That "walls no work" position is so !@#$ing asinine, I really don't think any person with a lick of common sense believes it. I think the planet would be a better place without people who make that argument. Man, if I was supreme leader of the planet. 

 

Wall only costs like .05% of the US yearly budget. Surely, we can build a fence to keep our neighbor's kids out for and only spend .05% of our yearly income.

 

AI drones patrolling the border seem sensible. They need to be weaponized, though. How else will we reach Judgment Day? 

 

 

0-Mexicans are rats, not people-0 I really think that analogy was poor and completely unnecessary. The people to people analogy works fine. 

[Justice]

22 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Walls deter rats. Walls keep people out all the time!!! Why are prisons surrounded by walls if they work so poorly? Why do all these liberal billionaires erect walls around their compounds? That "walls no work" position is so !@#$ing asinine, I really don't think any person with a lick of common sense believes it. I think the planet would be a better place without people who make that argument. Man, if I was supreme leader of the planet. 

 

Wall only costs like .05% of the US yearly budget. Surely, we can build a fence to keep our neighbor's kids out for and only spend .05% of our yearly income.

 

AI drones patrolling the border seem sensible. They need to be weaponized, though. How else will we reach Judgment Day? 

 

 

0-Mexicans are rats, not people-0 I really think that analogy was poor and completely unnecessary. The people to people analogy works fine. 

Lmao. Are you serious? I guess those guards and security forces surrounding those walls have nothing to do with it then? Abandoned buildings are loaded with rats. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Paulus said:

This is the dumbest argument. "It won't stop thaaaammm!!!!!" 

You do know you can make that argument for all the measures we take to preserve our sovereignty.  I mean, prisoners escape, illegal aliens sneak by agents all the time, etc. Even North Korea's border has people illegally cross it, and the deterrent there is a bullet. 

 

No deterrent is or security measure is 100% foolproof.  But, your logic can apply to them all. Therefore, we should have no security measures.  

 

"Bullets won't stop thaaaaaammm!"

 

I wonder if people really believe their argument opining a wall won't help ("work").

 

It won't work anywhere near well enough to justify the money dumped into it that can be put to better use for the same purpose of securing borders.

 

You incur the same expense in patrolling, the additional expense of maintaining, and it doesn't buy you any additional security.

[meazza]

25 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

It won't work anywhere near well enough to justify the money dumped into it that can be put to better use for the same purpose of securing borders.

 

You incur the same expense in patrolling, the additional expense of maintaining, and it doesn't buy you any additional security.

 

And it creates jobs. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, meazza said:

 

And it creates jobs. 

Immigrants create jobs, actually 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Immigrants create jobs, actually 

 

Yeah, more ERO officers.  Forward!

[Tiberius]

Just now, LeviF91 said:

 

Yeah, more ERO officers.  Forward!

That's so ignorant. No, actually private sector jobs 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Cugalabanza said:

Haiti is a place of abject poverty and it's been devastated by natural disasters.  But I think it's a huge mistake by the pres to call it a shithole.  Same goes for the other countries he was referring to.  These are people's HOMES.

 

By the same logic, the PM of Norway could easily refer to the U.S. as a shithole.  Would you be ok with that?  Would Trump be ok with that?

 

And look again at which kinds of people Trump is targeting.  And who he immediately holds up as a counterexample.  I'm sure most here will disagree, but Trump's behavior clearly says RACIST.

 

This city flipped out when Brady insulted our hotel.  How do you think immigrants from Haiti living here now feel about the POTUS?  I don't think Trump's a racist.  I just think he's an ignorant blowhard who doesn't think before he speaks.

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

How do you think immigrants from Haiti living here now feel about the POTUS? 

 

They're probably about as likely to vote for him as they were before.

[Doc Brown]

Just now, LeviF91 said:

 

They're probably about as likely to vote for him as they were before.

Or have increased incentive to go out and vote.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

This city flipped out when Brady insulted our hotel.  How do you think immigrants from Haiti living here now feel about the POTUS?  I don't think Trump's a racist.  I just think he's an ignorant blowhard who doesn't think before he speaks.

 

Probably pretty happy they aren't living in Haiti anymore? 

 

All this angst over an unconfirmed report. Wonder if anything else big is going on in the news today... 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

This city flipped out when Brady insulted our hotel.  How do you think immigrants from Haiti living here now feel about the POTUS?  I don't think Trump's a racist.  I just think he's an ignorant blowhard who doesn't think before he speaks.

You seriously don't think he is a racist? What more evidence do you need? Saying that immigrants from countries that are mostly black are bad, but from lilly white Norway are good, is classic racism. Mexicans are rapists, scapegoating immigrants as criminals, declaring that their are good people among the Nazis that murdered someone, I mean what more do you want?  

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Or have increased incentive to go out and vote.

 

Gee, and who would want immigrants to go out and vote more? 

 

It's almost like somebody leaked this information for a reason.  Gosh!

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Probably pretty happy they aren't living in Haiti anymore? 

 

All this angst over an unconfirmed report. Wonder if anything else big is going on in the news today... 

Yes, so what? That makes them bad people? 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, LeviF91 said:

 

Gee, and who would want immigrants to go out and vote more? 

 

It's almost like somebody leaked this information for a reason.  Gosh!

 

Stop. Just stop. It's not like these unconfirmed reports came out immediately after a deal was rejected...

 

...Oh, wait. 

 

 

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

Lmao. Are you serious? I guess those guards and security forces surrounding those walls have nothing to do with it then? Abandoned buildings are loaded with rats. 

But, we still have illegal aliens crossing with Border Patrol Agents paroling, therefore the border patrol doesn't work and is a complete waste of money. It should be done away with. 

 

That is how you sound. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Yes, so what? That makes them bad people? 

 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Paulus said:

But, we still have illegal aliens crossing with Border Patrol Agents paroling, therefore the border patrol doesn't work and is a complete waste of money. It should be done away with. 

 

That is how you sound. 

Nah. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying a wall, alone, can not and will not be sufficient. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Seth Rich 

[Paulus]

40 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

It won't work anywhere near well enough to justify the money dumped into it that can be put to better use for the same purpose of securing borders.

 

You incur the same expense in patrolling, the additional expense of maintaining, and it doesn't buy you any additional security.

Yeah, 0.05% is too much to spend one year on a wall. We are already paroling. A wall is just another obstacle for them to get past. It won't be 100% effective. But, over the course of its lifetime it will deter many.

By the way, barbarian hordes have been able to get through walls. I guess, walls are just a complete waste of money. DRONES are the way to go. 

 

2 minutes ago, Justice said:

Nah. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying a wall, alone, can not and will not be sufficient. 

You're right about that. See drone.

[Justice]

Trump is embarrassing. No doubt about that. I didn’t vote for him and I didn’t vote for Hillary. I don’t like either one. Having said that I can only assume being a Trump supporter is much like being a dog that has an owner that spreads peanut butter on his nutsack. 

[Doc Brown]

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Probably pretty happy they aren't living in Haiti anymore? 

 

All this angst over an unconfirmed report. Wonder if anything else big is going on in the news today... 

Lindsay Graham confirmed he said it and Graham's been Trump's biggest cheerleader these last few months.  I think Congress members have come to a place where they need they feel to educate the president because Graham apparently tried to educate Trump on immigration yesterday.  Another example is at that televised meeting where Feinstein asked if he'd be open to a DACA stand alone bill and Trump basically said yes.  That they'd do DACA first and then move on to comprehensive immigration reform.  McCarthy (GOP majority leader) jumped in to explain to the president why that was a horrible deal for them.  Trump just looked confused.  When Trump does his homework on something he seems to make the right decisions (Paris Climate Accords, moving US Embassy to Jerusalem, slashing unnecessary regulations, etc.).  When he doesn't you get dumb comments like he made yesterday that the media is ready to pounce on.