cba fan Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 A different poster stated a player does not get forward motion when extending a football unless he extends for and hits TD plane. That if he fails to hit the TD plane the ball is spotted where the player pulls it back into his body. If that was the case then the ball should have been spotted short of the line to gain on that Pats 4th down challenge. The player extended the ball and then pulled it back in before his knees touched. When his knees touched he was short of the first down. Ball is always placed where the ball is when player is down. Can't find in NFL rule book. Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 We got hosed. Don’t put yourself through the against. All the bad calls will be swallowed into oblivion and forgotten by tomorrow. All anyone will see is the scoreboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 At the end of the day, we lost...........we lost whether the play was made on 4th down or not. We lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 You can't tell where his knee is when he extends the ball in that mass of bodies. How they can conclusively say he wasnt down when he reaches the ball out but could conclusively say Benjamin didnt have control of the ball when his foot was down is beyond me...its a joke. They selectively determine what and what isn't "irrefutable" evidence based on what team it favors 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: You can't tell where his knee is when he extends the ball in that mass of bodies. How they can conclusively say he wasnt down when he reaches the ball out but could conclusively say Benjamin didnt have control of the ball when his foot was down is beyond me...its a joke. They selectively determine what and what isn't "irrefutable" evidence based on what team it favors This. You can't overturn that call. The evidence is not conclusive, unless you're trying to help insure a Patriots win while the game is still close. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: You can't tell where his knee is when he extends the ball in that mass of bodies. How they can conclusively say he wasnt down when he reaches the ball out but could conclusively say Benjamin didnt have control of the ball when his foot was down is beyond me...its a joke. They selectively determine what and what isn't "irrefutable" evidence based on what team it favors the main issue should be that he pulled the ball back toward himself, the spot is where he lands, not where he reaches with the ball. That's only on out of bounds or crossing the goal line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Its the Patriots just except it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 it's all f'kin bull **** at this point. Close calls go to the Pats all the time. And their smug ass fans just laugh and justify that everyone else is a crybaby. Someone better spank these f'kers down soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) The refs incorrectly spotted Lewis short, that was very clear. What is mind boggling is how they can determine from the replay he got the INCHES required for a first down. We all saw the camera angle, it was incredibly close, but I have no idea how you can say with 100% certainty he got the line to gain. At the very least they should have re-spotted the ball and measured with the chains...why didn't that happen? Edited December 25, 2017 by TallskiWallski83 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 You really come out of the game feeling cheated!! The Patriots are the best team in football and are impossible to beat when the refs are clearly on their side!! Frustrating !! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 It was possibly the first time I have seen the ball extended like that on 4th and short where it clearly got to the yellow line, usually it’s too crowded to get that view romo was on that immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 It’s the pats....there’s your explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Another easy win of 200 or so for Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Sweats said: At the end of the day, we lost...........we lost whether the play was made on 4th down or not. We lost. No. Bills made the stop, the D left the field and then had to go right back. They give up FG for tie, then 3 and out... The game was over the D was gas. Stick a fork in Bills. Momentum zapper... Refs and NFL know how to fix a game through a "push." You wonder why the NFL is losing $$$. People are getting wise to the racket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaii50 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Its all for TV ratings. NFL wants Brady in super bowl before they renegotiate TV contract. Home field advantage key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, TallskiWallski83 said: The refs incorrectly spotted Lewis short, that was very clear. What is mind boggling is how they can determine from the replay he got the INCHES required for a first down. We all saw the camera angle, it was incredibly close, but I have no idea how you can say with 100% certainty he got the line to gain. At the very least they should have re-spotted the ball and measured with the chains...why didn't that happen? Agree. Why even have the refs making a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: No. Bills made the stop, the D left the field and then had to go right back. They give up FG for tie, then 3 and out... The game was over the D was gas. Stick a fork in Bills. Momentum zapper... Refs and NFL know how to fix a game through a "push." You wonder why the NFL is losing $$$. People are getting wise to the racket. No?...........they didn't lose? Did i not get the memo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sweats said: No?...........they didn't lose? Did i not get the memo? No to "the 4-1 call was not important." That call doomed the team. The D left, and had to go right back in. That's not good. Tyrod being Tyrod going 3 and out after tie was the final nail. The 4-1 reversal changed the whole tempo of the game. Why even have refs if they can't get it right? Edited December 25, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Figured Tyrod would get blamed, what else is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, cba fan said: A different poster stated a player does not get forward motion when extending a football unless he extends for and hits TD plane. That if he fails to hit the TD plane the ball is spotted where the player pulls it back into his body. If that was the case then the ball should have been spotted short of the line to gain on that Pats 4th down challenge. The player extended the ball and then pulled it back in before his knees touched. When his knees touched he was short of the first down. Ball is always placed where the ball is when player is down. Can't find in NFL rule book. Anyone know? There are has to be clear evidence to overturn a call. He was marked short, he's knee can not be seen if it is up or down to tell if he stretched forward to the line to gain. Therefore it should remain as called : SHORT ! $&#/ you NFL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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