49ers are the trade target

[Tatonka68]

When the 49ers traded for Jimmy G, they became are number one target to trade up in the NFL Draft to get a NFL QB. The 49ers should be drafting 2nd to 4th and the Bills two picks in the teens and twenties. Who would you draft and what are you willing to give up?

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

When the 49ers traded for Jimmy G, they became are number one target to trade up in the NFL Draft to get a NFL QB. The 49ers should be drafting 2nd to 4th and the Bills two picks in the teens and twenties. Who would you draft and what are you willing to give up?

 

 

If we are trading up it is likely, the 2 ones and a 2 this year and a one next year. We may get like a 5th back too or something. 

 

If we make the move up Rosen is my top target but I think that he goes 1 to Cleveland. 

[ALF]

I would give up the 2 ones and a 2nd but someone would outbid that for Rosen

[billieve420]

If Darnold doesn't come out. Cleveland will probably draft Rosen# 1 at which point I wouldn't be interested in trading that far up for any of the other QBs.

[jrober38]

To move from where we'll be picking into the top 4 will cost a fortune. It will gut the roster of talent for years to come and shouldn't be something we're considering. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Who’s the joker that voted Jackson 

[HappyDays]

If we keep Dennison and this scheme I would think Mason Rudolph is the target. Accurate, goes through progressions, NFL ready. But I’d feel comfortable with Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson, or Josh Rosen so I don’t think a big sell the farm trade up is necessary. I could see us trading up a little if the top 3 go off the board but that would still leave us with a bunch of draft picks. This is the best year to need a QB, no need to force anything.

[8-8 Forever?]

both 1s will probably be required, if not more, unless the Bills tank completely to 6-10, which is likely

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Who’s the joker that voted Jackson 

It wasn’t me but the latest mocks have him as high as 1. He’s the big climber right now.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

Who’s the joker that voted Jackson 

 

That was me  We could probably stay put and take him. He has gotten better every year in college, it was the same story on Russell Wilson. Because of Wilson’s success a QB like Lamar Jackson will never fall that far again. He can pass accurately from the pocket, he is not just a run-first passer. Think Deshaun Watson but more accurate with the ball. Would fit a modern creative NFL offense which is why I am sure we will not go after him, but that’s who I want.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

If we keep Dennison and this scheme I would think Mason Rudolph is the target. Accurate, goes through progressions, NFL ready. But I’d feel comfortable with Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson, or Josh Rosen so I don’t think a big sell the farm trade up is necessary. I could see us trading up a little if the top 3 go off the board but that would still leave us with a bunch of draft picks. This is the best year to need a QB, no need to force anything.

 

We should just target Mayfield with our 1st round pick. He'll probably be available in the 12-20 range, which is where we'll end up picking. 

 

Then cut Tyrod, bring in a cheap veteran, and let Mayfield, Peterman and the vet compete for the job. Then spend the rest of our picks fixing the defensive front seven. 

[rant_and_go_returns]

They'll still go QB.

First year, rookie QB sucks, and they need a year on the bench after that. Trade away your draft for one, and there's no roster, and the rookie wants a lot of money by the time they're good.

Best case is TT wakes up and becomes a gamer. Win at KC and we stop talking about his replacement. Stop worrying about INTs or injuries and win.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that this is important thing to add here. Draft Trade Value Chart

[8-8 Forever?]

now that i think on it, my sense is the bills tank to 6-10, then move up just a few spots (maybe from 10 to 5) and get one of the 3 top gradeouts that are left.. great year for QBs, they should do well getting another to go with Nate the skate.   TT will be gone IMO. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It wasn’t me but the latest mocks have him as high as 1. He’s the big climber right now.

 

I haven’t started looking at mock drafts yet so I didn’t know he’d been climbing. I think he will go a little lower than the mock drafts him because NFL GMs still don’t have a clue, but maybe they’ve finally wised up and he’ll get taken where he deserves to be. He’s a legit #1 overall prospect any other year.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

While I think Rosen will be drafted higher, I am more intrigued with Mason Rudolph.  If we could scoop him with out first 1st rounder that would be tremendous.

[Tatonka68]

Trade both first rounds picks, the second from the Rams, the 5th from the Jags and the Chiefs pick next year from the Ragland Trade and get THE GUY. Who's THE GUY?? I would love to know. I was around to see Jim Kelly, and would give up ALL the picks for another. Without a QB you get 1999 - present. 

Would it be nice to have next Tom Brady or Aron Rodgers instead of a Tyrod or a Fitzpatrick. Someone who can take over a game.

Edited November 24, 2017 by Tatonka68

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Josh Rosen will be the selection imo, It will most likely cost our 2 1st round picks and our 1st next year but I'm completely fine with that if/when he turns into Goff/Wentz type of player. I think the 49ers will own the #1 overall pick by the end of the year.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I haven’t started looking at mock drafts yet so I didn’t know he’d been climbing. I think he will go a little lower than the mock drafts him because NFL GMs still don’t have a clue, but maybe they’ve finally wised up and he’ll get taken where he deserves to be. He’s a legit #1 overall prospect any other year.

Every year around this time someone gains momentum (see: Trubisky, Mitchell). Jackson seems to be the guy going up. He has developed a ton as a pocket passer and now there are people that think he has a chance to be #1 overall. 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Trade both first rounds picks, the second from the Rams, the 5th from the Jags and the Chiefs pick next year from the Ragland Trade and get THE GUY. Who's THE GUY?? I would love to know. I was around to see Jim Kelly, and would give up ALL the picks for another. Without a QB you get 1999 - present. 

Would it be nice to have next Tom Brady or Aron Rodgers instead of a Tyrod or a Fitzpatrick. Someone who can take over a game.

 

That's not even close to enough compensation.

 

It will cost THREE first round picks, plus additional picks to move from the mid 1st round into the top 4. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by jrober38

[JMF2006]

I like Mayfield and he should go in the 20's so the rest of the picks can be used for help else where such as Linemen LB's CB's

[Kirby Jackson]

Rudolph is the guy that I don’t want. His game feels antiquated compared to the way that the NFL is going. He’s too limited for my liking.

[The Frankish Reich]

35 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

When the 49ers traded for Jimmy G, they became are number one target to trade up in the NFL Draft to get a NFL QB. The 49ers should be drafting 2nd to 4th and the Bills two picks in the teens and twenties. Who would you draft and what are you willing to give up?

 

 

49ers are a good trade match, but I fear that trade will be for CJ Beathard, not the #2 overall pick ...

... Beathard will be starting again despite Garoppolo having been around for a few weeks now.  So what on earth are they playing at?

 

A. Hiding Garoppolo because they don't want him to perform well and drive up the free agent bidding.

B. Playing Beathard in an attempt at securing a higher draft pick.

C. Showcasing Beathard, who they believe is better than people think and may be trade bait in the offseason

D. They don't know what the hell they're doing

E. All of the above

[Coach Tuesday]

Rosen stinks.  He has this weird ball-patting technique which he compounds by staring down his receivers.

 

Baker Mayfield or bust for me folks.

[tlfcbb]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's not even close to enough compensation.

 

It will cost THREE first round picks, plus additional picks to move from the mid 1st round into the top 4. 

 

I'm not sure about this.  I don't know who would be prepared to give up three first round picks.  Also, assuming we are trading with the 49ers they will be keen to get help straight away to help their new toy [QB].  They might well be attracted by 2 first round picks this year and a second. 

[BillsFan130]

I don't know enough about college football. Whoever the best QB is, draft him lol

[Tatonka68]

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's not even close to enough compensation.

 

It will cost THREE first round picks, plus additional picks to move from the mid 1st round into the top 4. 

Do whatever it takes, trade ALL the 2017 picks and throw in McCoy and Tyrod, just do it. Enough is enough. 

[aceman_16]

I am a HUGE Baker Mayfield guy. I have always liked swagger and fortitude in QBs (and accuracy and the ability to dx defenses)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

When the 49ers traded for Jimmy G, they became are number one target to trade up in the NFL Draft to get a NFL QB. The 49ers should be drafting 2nd to 4th and the Bills two picks in the teens and twenties. Who would you draft and what are you willing to give up?

 

It is just possible the 49ers intend to keep Garappolo AND draft a QB.

 

Everyone thought the Eagles were crazy when they signed Bradford to a 2 year, $36M deal - then turned around and traded up for Wentz, meanwhile signing one of the better "dark horse" second tier FA in Chase Daniel to a 3 year, $21M deal.

Now they're looking crazy like a fox, so expect other teams to try this "All In!" strategy.

Can someone provide a capsule description of these guys?  How many starts, what's their completion percentage, what kind of offense they play in, etc?

[BmarvB]

There's too many other holes that need to be filled on the roster. I wouldn't move up. Wait it out and see who falls down to us.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, tlfcbb said:

 

I'm not sure about this.  I don't know who would be prepared to give up three first round picks.  Also, assuming we are trading with the 49ers they will be keen to get help straight away to help their new toy [QB].  They might well be attracted by 2 first round picks this year and a second. 

That’s the other benefit of a rep QB class. I’ve been banging that drum for 2 years. It may drive the price down a little because someone could say 3 1sts for Rosen or 1 for Baker? Other years you don’t have Baker (or someone like him) as that option. You have Paxton Lynch.

[HappyDays]

Dark horse to keep an eye on - Clayton Thornton from Northwestern. Good size, strong arm, good mechanics, high character type. Played at a small school with zero talent so his stats don’t tell the whole story. Reminds me of Jimmy Garropolo as a prospect.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It is just possible the 49ers intend to keep Garappolo AND draft a QB.

 

Everyone thought the Eagles were crazy when they signed Bradford to a 2 year, $36M deal - then turned around and traded up for Wentz, meanwhile signing one of the better "dark horse" second tier FA in Chase Daniel to a 3 year, $21M deal.

Now they're looking crazy like a fox, so expect other teams to try this "All In!" strategy.

Can someone provide a capsule description of these guys?  How many starts, what's their completion percentage, what kind of offense they play in, etc?

Why would Jimmy sign that deal? He will get more on the open market.

Just now, HappyDays said:

Dark horse to keep an eye on - Clayton Thornton from Northwestern. Good size, strong arm, good mechanics, high character type. Played at a small school with zero talent so his stats don’t tell the whole story. Reminds me of Jimmy Garropolo as a prospect.

Not accurate enough for me, I wouldn’t want him in the middle rounds.

[The Frankish Reich]

Two conflicting ideas make it difficult for a team like the Bills:

1. Strongest QB class in years, particularly if Darnold comes out.

2. Everyone knows it, with multiple teams after that future franchise QB.

I sense another shift of emphasis coming. After NFL teams got obsessed (again) with pocket passers and started trying to shift away from the more typical "college" style passer, we saw Deshaun Watson make a tremendous debut and Russell Wilson carry an offense almost single-handedly. I think that's going to be behind the rise in Lamar Jackson's stock as well as Mayfield.

EDIT: I don't watch a whole lot of any of these guys, but one guy I've seen more than most here based on where I live: Josh Allen, Wyoming. And I'm just not that impressed.

Edited November 24, 2017 by The Frankish Reich

[xRUSHx]

42 minutes ago, ALF said:

I would give up the 2 ones and a 2nd but someone would outbid that for Rosen

Tell them you will add in Tyrod, they would then have a backup or even a backup plain if Grap gets injuried or Graps the bed. If they don't want him add in a late round 2019 pick. Get it done, a franchise worthy QB is the goal and Rosen is the target IMO, go get him.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s the other benefit of a rep QB class. I’ve been banging that drum for 2 years. It may drive the price down a little because someone could say 3 1sts for Rosen or 1 for Baker? Other years you don’t have Baker (or someone like him) as that option. You have Paxton Lynch.

 

Too many teams need a QB.

 

Bills, Jets, Jags, Broncos, Browns, Steelers, Cardinals, Giants, Redskins will all need a starter. There will be tons of teams looking for QB help this year. 

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Too many teams need a QB.

 

Bills, Jets, Jags, Broncos, Browns, Steelers, Cardinals, Giants, Redskins will all need a starter. There will be tons of teams looking for QB help this year. 

And it's why there is no reason to win another game this season

[tlfcbb]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s the other benefit of a rep QB class. I’ve been banging that drum for 2 years. It may drive the price down a little because someone could say 3 1sts for Rosen or 1 for Baker? Other years you don’t have Baker (or someone like him) as that option. You have Paxton Lynch.

 

Yep Kirby, that is an excellent point.  It is a good year to have 2 first round picks based on the strength of the QB pool coming out  

[jrober38]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

And it's why there is no reason to win another game this season

 

No. Given the way things have transpired we should be trying to win and change the culture in the locker room. 

 

If we were worried about competition for QBs, we should have traded McCoy before the season started. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Too many teams need a QB.

 

Bills, Jets, Jags, Broncos, Browns, Steelers, Cardinals, Giants, Redskins will all need a starter. There will be tons of teams looking for QB help this year. 

I don’t disagree but I think that Cousins and Tyrod fill 2 of those spots (my guess is Washington and Denver). The Bills will be picking ahead of the Jags and maybe the Cardinals. They will still have a shot at one of these guys.