NewEraBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Happy for Falk. Need to look up Lauletta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The NFL never learns. No matter how big or athletic someone is, bad quarterbacks dont turn into good quarterbacks over time and no amount of sitting or coaching changes that. Josh Allen is who Josh allen is, and thats a long shot project. It will be a wasted pick if the Bills draft him in the 1st. That is a really dumb statement. The greatest quarterback of all time would have been considered bad coming out of college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCOrange Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Happy for Falk. Need to look up Lauletta. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ySojGiZdmVgqgMxgMa-ZZRqrk9Wc2yXdQoh02kIkSQo/mobilebasic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LEBills said: I’m an Allen apologist because I think he has some amazing abilities and I think he is a great kid that has a lot of ability to improve - even in the accuracy department. But you are right, he shouldn’t be drafted early based on the QB he is right now. Unfortunately, he is going to be drafted early based on the QB he could be. And if he goes to a really bad team, it could end really bad for him. Guys with major accuracy issues like his literally never succeed in the NFL. I watched the Senior Bowl all afternoon and this guy literally has some of the worst accuracy I've ever seen. He just sprays the ball all over the place chucking it as hard as he can. Edited January 25, 2018 by jrober38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Guys with major accuracy issues like his literally never succeed in the NFL. I watched the Senior Bowl all afternoon and this guy literally has some of the worst accuracy I've ever seen. He just sprays the ball all over the place chucking it as hard as he can. However, it never fails, someone will think they can fix this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: However, it never fails, someone will think they can fix this. Yup. And they'll be without a job in the NFL in 1-2 years. I don't get how Mike Mayock falls in love with these guys year after year. I know people respect his opinion on QBs, but the guy gets so wrapped up in how far a guy can throw it and how big and strong he is. He never puts emphasis on whether or not the guy he's discussing is actually good at the game of football. Edited January 25, 2018 by jrober38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LEBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Guys with major accuracy issues like his literally never succeed in the NFL. I watched the Senior Bowl all afternoon and this guy literally has some of the worst accuracy I've ever seen. He just sprays the ball all over the place chucking it as hard as he can. Look up his history. He is maybe the least developed major QB prospect of the modern era. He didn’t attend QB camps all his life, just really started focusing on football. That is why I think he can improve with some good coaching because a lot of the accuracy issues comes from his feet. In HS, he went to a small school and played multiple sports all year. Spent one year at Junior College and then transferred to Wyoming and spent a couple years under Coach Bohl. Bohl is not a good QB developer, Carson Wentz still has issues with his footwork this year. Again, I agree with you that some team is probably going to ruin him but I don’t think his accuracy is incurable if he finds the right environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: That is a really dumb statement. The greatest quarterback of all time would have been considered bad coming out of college. Disgaree. Brady had two ok seasons at Michigan. Had he been a three or four year starter he may have been drafted higher. Josh Allen is a three year starter who aside from being big and likeable checks no other boxes. He doesnt win games, he doesnt throw for many yards, gives the ball away like its going out of business and is sub 60% completion percentage. It is hubris that makes teams like him. Its the same thing that got the Jets Christian Hackenberg. Edited January 25, 2018 by thenorthremembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 WATCH: WEDNESDAY AT THE 2018 SENIOR BOWL (2:00) NFL Network Daniel Jeremiah talked with Bills' Insider Chris Brown about first round draft strategy and using this draft to sure up the defensive front seven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Disgaree. Brady had two ok seasons at Michigan. Had he been a three or four year starter he may have been drafted higher. Josh Allen is a three year starter who aside from being big and likeable checks no other boxes. He doesnt win games, he doesnt throw for many yards, gives the ball away like its going out of business and is sub 60% completion percentage. It is hubris that makes teams like him. Its the same thing that got the Jets Christian Hackenberg. Allen started for 2 years at Wyoming, unless your counting his year at JUCO. He also has led the Cowboys to the winningest two years since 98 and 99. He threw for more yards than Carson Wentz did over the same amount of time while operating in the same offense. He improved his interception percentage greatly from sophomore to junior years. He is sub 60% for his career. You may eventually be vindicated if his pro career flops but their are a lot of reasons to like Allen as a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Anyone post the video of Mayfield and Allen working on footwork drills and throwing at a net with Allen completely airmailing the target badly? https://mobile.twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Allen has all the physical gifts in the world... but when my footwork and 3 step drop is cleaner than an NFL prospect I really wonder how long he'll last and I'm slightly drunk but I'm not really being sarcastic lol Edited January 25, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't know. Looks better than anyone we've had in a while. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000910273/Josh-Allen-practice-highlights-Senior-Bowl-Day-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: I don't know. Looks better than anyone we've had in a while. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000910273/Josh-Allen-practice-highlights-Senior-Bowl-Day-2 His arm pops down the field but he consistently misses short routine throws. every ball is a fastball... he really hasn't leaned about touch yet which is tough to learn especially if you really lack it at the NFL level but on the run and downfield he has a howitzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Please Cleveland take Allen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Browns will start drafting good players with John Dorsey as their GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, LEBills said: Allen started for 2 years at Wyoming, unless your counting his year at JUCO. He also has led the Cowboys to the winningest two years since 98 and 99. He threw for more yards than Carson Wentz did over the same amount of time while operating in the same offense. He improved his interception percentage greatly from sophomore to junior years. He is sub 60% for his career. You may eventually be vindicated if his pro career flops but their are a lot of reasons to like Allen as a prospect. Its not relegated to his stats. Watch the game film of him against Nebraska last year. One of the more epic meltdowns Ive watched. Point here is because he is big and has a cannon experts will watch that same tape and tell you "he did some good things considering the talent around him" they are dying for him to be good. I agree with the arm talent but if I am drafting a guy who cant contribute even when forced into action I wouldnt touch him until the 4th round. Edited January 25, 2018 by thenorthremembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Its not relegated to his stats. Watch the game film of him against Nebraska last year. One of the more epic meltdowns Ive watched. Point here is because he is big and has a cannon experts will watch that same tape and tell you "he did some good things considering the talent around him" they are dying for him to be good. I agree with the arm talent but if I am drafting a guy who cant contribute even when forced into action I wouldnt touch him until the 4th round. That’s fine if it’s more about the film for you. He does have a lot of ugly tape. I just wanted to mythbust some of the reasons you gave before. As far as the Nebraska game goes, it was his first ever road start in college. I don’t hold that against him as much, that’s a game a lot of QBs struggle in. I’d say his worst game was the Oregon game this year. And I agree it would ultimately be better if he went later. Unfortunately, you have to take the raw tools into consideration bc they are a factor. But yes, some team will draft him very early almost entirely based on his physical gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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