Bills757 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: McD didn’t mean for one game ... he wants to see if Peterman can be better long-term ... it’s really a simple concept ... I don’t know why so many people are having such a hard time with it ...Everyone needs to realize that Taylor is gone after this season and playing him now does nothing for anyone. Even if Taylor leaves after this season, by putting Peterman out there when he's clearly not ready only makes things worse as far as his development. Peterman has already been labeled for the rest of his career unless he miraculously starts impersonating Aaron Rogers. The 5 INT's will be in his head for a long time. And it's not so much McD being a hypocrite as much as he's not being truthful.....with the players, fans or himself. He clearly has an agenda so why not just own up to it and move forward. The locker room is going to become toxic if he starts Peterman this weekend. They can talk all they want about being professionals and "that's the NFL", but within the confines of that locker room, those players will be, at the very least, questioning what the heck McD is doing....especially when it's being done to a guy who has given his all for this organization. At some point, McD needs to live by his own mantra about being a high character person. He's playing games right now and, in retrospect, it's been going on since he started. Taylor goes to expense of flying his receivers down to Atlanta for his own workouts.....foots the bill for them to stay....works out every day.....for what? They came in and wiped out any chemistry they gained. And until Benjamin came aboard, it appeared the Bills FO was content letting Taylor flap in the wind with a sub-par WR corps. That was their way of setting him up to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 All things being the same - what kind of final score would there have been in that game IF BUFFALO HAD A DEFENSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, cd1 said: All things being the same - what kind of final score would there have been in that game IF BUFFALO HAD A DEFENSE? The Chargers started only 4 of their 12 drives inside their 40 yard line. The 4 drives that required more an 60 yards for a TD ended in 3 FGs and 1 Punt. So maybe subtract 9? And even then, they missed a FG too, so more likely subtract 6. Now, what might the final score have been without all the turnovers is another discussion entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The Chargers had zero turnovers and 1 measly penalty called against them. They played almost a perfect NFL game. Then we add in a QB that can't take care of the ball and it's a 30 point loss. LA was not going to lose that game no matter who was playing QB. But it would have been less embarrassing i suppose with TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: He said they are trying to win now and in the future. Putting Peterman in to win now was a terrible move. And putting him in for the future contradicts what he said about winning this year. I fail to see how given the short comings of TT and the fact other teams know the formula for keeping TT contained. The outcome with Peterman starting was disspoinitng but I wanted ot see how it turned out and had 0 faith in playoffs without this last ditch attempt. Now Its all about the future anyway because after the chargers its quite apparent the flaws in this team are spread througout so TT starting or not starting means little and makes absolutely no differnece I grind no ax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, zow2 said: The Chargers had zero turnovers and 1 measly penalty called against them. They played almost a perfect NFL game. Then we add in a QB that can't take care of the ball and it's a 30 point loss. LA was not going to lose that game no matter who was playing QB. But it would have been less embarrassing i suppose with TT. haha I keep seeing people say that. when to you give away the ball 5 times in the first half, you're beating yourself. people didnt expect the Bills to beat the Falcons, but they did. TT protected the ball and got them to a win against the defending NFC champs. LA is not great. their win isn't a reflection of anything else other than an outstanding pass rush, and a bad rookie qb. the Bills gave them their 4th win, with a ton of help. they played a clean game in terms of penalties, but it would have been a different outcome with TT in my opinion. may not have resulted in a blowout win, but it would have at least been competitive. Edited November 21, 2017 by 87168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Why hasn't he announced that yet? Seriously, needs to evaluate it? He had too much egg on his face to switch gears immediately with no time for film evaluation. It would also be pretty embarrassing for Peterman if McD came right out and announced a switch. May as well say " well that guy sure sucked, huh?". Wasn't going to happen. He'll wait until Wednesday and let the media swarm die down. The change obviously didn't work, but I can't imagine Peterman being the starter. It would be a complete forfeiture of the season in this weak AFC. If it's Peterman , McD deserves to be skewered by media and fans alike. The organization would be the biggest joke in the league, giving up on a season with 6 weeks to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: He had too much egg on his face to switch gears immediately with no time for film evaluation. It would also be pretty embarrassing for Peterman if McD came right out and announced a switch. May as well say " well that guy sure sucked, huh?". Wasn't going to happen. He'll wait until Wednesday and let the media swarm die down. The change obviously didn't work, but I can't imagine Peterman being the starter. It would be a complete forfeiture of the season in this weak AFC. If it's Peterman , McD deserves to be skewered by media and fans alike. The organization would be the biggest joke in the league, giving up on a season with 6 weeks to go. This season is over. The sooner fans in denial realize that, the better it will be for all of their mental health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Not committed to Tyrod? Because he didn't announce his decision two days before the opponent's first day of installs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: He had too much egg on his face to switch gears immediately with no time for film evaluation. It would also be pretty embarrassing for Peterman if McD came right out and announced a switch. May as well say " well that guy sure sucked, huh?". Wasn't going to happen. He'll wait until Wednesday and let the media swarm die down. The change obviously didn't work, but I can't imagine Peterman being the starter. It would be a complete forfeiture of the season in this weak AFC. If it's Peterman , McD deserves to be skewered by media and fans alike. The organization would be the biggest joke in the league, giving up on a season with 6 weeks to go. He's already being skewered, for everything. Anything he has said since he was hired is being dragged out of the closet. If he starts Peterman at Arrowhead, McD might as well be fired on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, cba fan said: This season is over. The sooner fans in denial realize that, the better it will be for all of their mental health. Except that it isn't . The AFC is beyond mediocre, a 9 win team will likely make a WC this year. Heck, the Chargers think they are back in it with just 4 wins. I don't think the Bills are a talented enough team to do it, but the team and certainly the head coach can't look at it that way. Winning is the only thing and that's how it has to be. If Peterman starts , then McD has committed a firable offense and should be dismissed. 6 minutes ago, zow2 said: He's already being skewered, for everything. Anything he has said since he was hired is being dragged out of the closet. If he starts Peterman at Arrowhead, McD might as well be fired on the spot. Yes he is, and he should be fired if he's trying to do anything but win a football game this week. He just wasn't going to announce anything and certainly not a switch back to Taylor on the Monday after that disaster. I'll wait until tomorrow to skewer him if his decision is the unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) At what point and time is the word tank safe to use around here with how bad our D is? It does not matter who starts at QB right now. We minus well get NP some more reps to see if he can possibly be our back up QB or possibly more. Edited November 21, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: At what point and time is the word tank safe to use around here? All along I've stuck to my convictions that this season was never a tank. Largely due to the non tank moves of extending Wood's deal, not cutting high priced vets like Kyle W etc. Starting Peterman after Sunday's performance would change my view on that. It would be Tank McTankerson, Tank city. Can't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Except that it isn't . The AFC is beyond mediocre, a 9 win team will likely make a WC this year. Heck, the Chargers think they are back in it with just 4 wins. I don't think the Bills are a talented enough team to do it, but the team and certainly the head coach can't look at it that way. Winning is the only thing and that's how it has to be. If Peterman starts , then McD has committed a firable offense and should be dismissed. Yes he is, and he should be fired if he's trying to do anything but win a football game this week. He just wasn't going to announce anything and certainly not a switch back to Taylor on the Monday after that disaster. I'll wait until tomorrow to skewer him if his decision is the unthinkable. Well, in an effort to maintain the integrity of the NFL, the Chiefs probably deserve the Peterman treatment just like was afforded the LA Chargers. I mean that definitely got LA right back in the AFC West race.. Not only with the W but their confidence is now sky high. I'm sure KC was thrilled with that decision by our McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: All along I've stuck to my convictions that this season was never a tank. Largely due to the non tank moves of extending Wood's deal, not cutting high priced vets like Kyle W etc. Starting Peterman after Sunday's performance would change my view on that. It would be Tank McTankerson, Tank city. Can't see it happening. It's over this year and I'm willing to accept it at this point. Would rather just see the young guys try and develop. Teams have averaged 45pts a game against us the last 3 weeks and we show nothing we can do to stop it. 34, 47, 54, ___? trend is spiraling out of control and KC nor the Pats will make it any easier. Edited November 21, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 hours ago, JaCrispy said: McD didn’t mean for one game ... he wants to see if Peterman can be better long-term ... it’s really a simple concept ... I don’t know why so many people are having such a hard time with it ...Everyone needs to realize that Taylor is gone after this season and playing him now does nothing for anyone. If you ask ESPN it's because McDerm is racist, you know him and his African American QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: He hasn't owned it. That is the problem with McDermott. He's a fraud if Peterman starts the locker room is lost and top level fa's will not want to come here if they here tgis is a rebuilding program for 2020. The Bills will not be interested in 'top level FAs'. That is not how they are trying to build the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: I fail to see how given the short comings of TT and the fact other teams know the formula for keeping TT contained. The outcome with Peterman starting was disspoinitng but I wanted ot see how it turned out and had 0 faith in playoffs without this last ditch attempt. Now Its all about the future anyway because after the chargers its quite apparent the flaws in this team are spread througout so TT starting or not starting means little and makes absolutely no differnece I grind no ax. Starting Peterman in hindsight over TT was a very dumb decision if you think that gave the Bills the best chance to win. If he thought that fine. It didn't work out but own up to it. Don't give a b.s quote like "I don't regret the decision I regret the result".. pretty much saying he made the right decision and the players didn't execute. If he wants to start Peterman for the future then don't lie to the players and fans saying he's trying to win now. He handled this situation terribly all around. Especially when he says TT is his starter then goes to Peterman 2 days later. He is coming across as a phony on so many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Peterman is starting.... all the signs lead to it (don't shoot the messenger)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 hours ago, 1billsfan said: Maybe the three straight poundings on defense have shifted this season away from "win now", to more of an evaluation of the players they want to keep for next season. That includes looking at what they have in Peterman against teams like the Chiefs and the Patriots. The 5-2 season was clearly a fluke. This team needs a lot of players and the HC and GM are just starting out. I think fan expectations need to change back to what they were at the beginning of the season. A decent sized contingent on this board thought there was a chance before the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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