teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: As said I expect with Woods out Goff will finally probably need to throw to Watkins. I expect from here to the end of the season he'll see more targets. If he doesn't perform, stay healthy and sign for $9-$12,000,000 then I'll admit I'm wrong. You? Good game Sunday vs. NO..... Going to watch? nice. woods has to be out for watkins to be able to get any production. that's the sign of a elite wr. also, before you were saying if watkins just stays healthy, he'll get 12 mill. now you've at least added an amendment that there has to be some production involved too. good for you. no. i'm not going to watch the la game. if i can watch bc play on saturdays and a the bills on sunday, i'm lucky. sammy's production shouldn't be dependent whether or not i watch. or do you want me to watch to see how a hall of fame decoy plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, teef said: nice. woods has to be out for watkins to be able to get any production. that's the sign of a elite wr. also, before you were saying if watkins just stays healthy, he'll get 12 mill. now you've at least added an amendment that there has to be some production involved too. good for you. no. i'm not going to watch the la game. if i can watch bc play on saturdays and a the bills on sunday, i'm lucky. sammy's production shouldn't be dependent whether or not i watch. or do you want me to watch to see how a hall of fame decoy plays? I'm a fan and not obsessed with salaries and contracts...... But since you asked I checked...... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/wide-receiver/ Watkins stays healthy the rest of the season and definitely over $10,000,000. As stated I have been very adamant that Goff is okay and is playing at this level due to incredible coaching, schemes and playcalling. Alphadawg7 has watched them and supported my observation that is entirely on Goff & the coaching that he doesn't get targeted. BTW the Rams/NO game should be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Rams are killing it yea we "fleeced" them ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 47 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I'm a fan and not obsessed with salaries and contracts...... But since you asked I checked...... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/wide-receiver/ Watkins stays healthy the rest of the season and definitely over $10,000,000. As stated I have been very adamant that Goff is okay and is playing at this level due to incredible coaching, schemes and playcalling. Alphadawg7 has watched them and supported my observation that is entirely on Goff & the coaching that he doesn't get targeted. BTW the Rams/NO game should be a good one. stays healthy and no increase in production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 8:33 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: If you believe all he runs are deep routes for the Rams, you're mistaken. McVay's offense isn't designed to feature one receiver. Who cares what routes he runs. Hes not productive for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, teef said: stays healthy and no increase in production? Yep if no targets, the All22 shows him beating his coverage (# cover guy) and catching the balls thrown to him no doubt...... You can't catch balls not thrown at you (or thrown away). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yep if no targets, the All22 shows him beating his coverage (# cover guy) and catching the balls thrown to him no doubt...... You can't catch balls not thrown at you (or thrown away). well...why would they pay him 12 mill a year (a number you used) to keep a guy they don't throw to? wouldn't you just move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, teef said: well...why would they pay him 12 mill a year (a number you used) to keep a guy they don't throw to? wouldn't you just move on? Did I say the Rams????? Again we'll see, but you don't watch the Rams so know absolutely nothing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Did I say the Rams????? Again we'll see, but you don't watch the Rams so know absolutely nothing...... you really cling onto the, "i don't watch the rams, so i can't have an opinion" thing. i don't need to watch the rams to know sammy's production isn't any where near elite. it's not even impressive. so, if you think sammy will sign to another team for 12 mill, did the rams completely waster a 2nd round pick and a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, teef said: you really cling onto the, "i don't watch the rams, so i can't have an opinion" thing. i don't need to watch the rams to know sammy's production isn't any where near elite. it's not even impressive. so, if you think sammy will sign to another team for 12 mill, did the rams completely waster a 2nd round pick and a player? Read everything on the Rams. Watkins, not Woods, Kupp, Austin draws the #1 cover and double. That has made along with great schemes and pass plays it easier for Goff to have been successful. Everyone on the Rams is thankful for Watkins. Watch their game and you'll see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: Read everything on the Rams. Watkins, not Woods, Kupp, Austin draws the #1 cover and double. That has made along with great schemes and pass plays it easier for Goff to have been successful. Everyone on the Rams is thankful for Watkins. Watch their game and you'll see that. no one tries to stretch a truth like you. i'm sure the rams are super thankful for the decoy. you know why you keep up with the you haven't watch the games argument? it's because you have nothing of substance to actually debate. you have a certain emotional tie to watkins, and it completely blinds you how much of a disappointment he's been. i mean, you actually tried to convince us that goff is being coached not to throw to watkins. do you know how amazingly absurd that sounds? ok. let me ask you this. with the way this year is going, and sammy stays on track with similar numbers he's already put up, do you think the rams will re-sign sammy for 12 mill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: I'm a fan and not obsessed with salaries and contracts...... But since you asked I checked...... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/wide-receiver/ Watkins stays healthy the rest of the season and definitely over $10,000,000. As stated I have been very adamant that Goff is okay and is playing at this level due to incredible coaching, schemes and playcalling. Alphadawg7 has watched them and supported my observation that is entirely on Goff & the coaching that he doesn't get targeted. BTW the Rams/NO game should be a good one. No, not really. Alpha tries to dance around the "decoy" label by declaring that Sammy has limited opportunities, but Alpha's observation describes Sammy being used at a decoy. You, on the other hand, have declared that Goff is being coached/told NOT to throw Sammy. And, yes, there is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, teef said: no one tries to stretch a truth like you. i'm sure the rams are super thankful for the decoy. you know why you keep up with the you haven't watch the games argument? it's because you have nothing of substance to actually debate. you have a certain emotional tie to watkins, and it completely blinds you how much of a disappointment he's been. i mean, you actually tried to convince us that goff is being coached not to throw to watkins. do you know how amazingly absurd that sounds? ok. let me ask you this. with the way this year is going, and sammy stays on track with similar numbers he's already put up, do you think the rams will re-sign sammy for 12 mill? Your wasting your time. Debating with a Sammy fanatic is like arguing with a member of the Manson family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Your wasting your time. Debating with a Sammy fanatic is like arguing with a member of the Manson family. i know. it was interesting at first, and now it's gotten a bit concerning. i don't hate sammy, but anyone who's reasonable knows that he's been nothing but underwhelming in his time in the nfl. i think he can do well in the right situation, but with a reputation like sammy's, you'd think any situation is the right situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, teef said: i know. it was interesting at first, and now it's gotten a bit concerning. i don't hate sammy, but anyone who's reasonable knows that he's been nothing but underwhelming in his time in the nfl. i think he can do well in the right situation, but with a reputation like sammy's, you'd think any situation is the right situation. Again we'll see what happens this week and if he plays 16 weeks this year & signs a $10,000,000+ contract you can continue this. As someone who has not watched the games, it is hilarious that you go on and on about Watkins without one shred of actual evidence as to your comments. You don't even have any anecdotal information. Yes he is not targeted a lot........ The All22 though shows him open, so I guess that is his fault????? This week will be interesting and is the best game @ 4:25..... I'll be interested to see how he is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again we'll see what happens this week and if he plays 16 weeks this year & signs a $10,000,000+ contract you can continue this. As someone who has not watched the games, it is hilarious that you go on and on about Watkins without one shred of actual evidence as to your comments. You don't even have any anecdotal information. Yes he is not targeted a lot........ The All22 though shows him open, so I guess that is his fault????? This week will be interesting and is the best game @ 4:25..... I'll be interested to see how he is used. again, you insist on playing the you don't watch the games card because you have no legit argument. you've come up with such ridiculous arguments, that i wouldn't be shocked if you haven't watched a single rams game, and are just saying so to bolster your point. ok. you said i don't have any evidence to my comments. what have i been wrong about? i've mentioned that sammy hasn't done anything to call him elite, and i've made the comment that his production since being in the nfl has been underwhelming. what am i wrong about? i don't think anyone reasonable can argue against these points. since no on reasonable can argue these points, you've literally lied making unfounded comments like taylor is a much better qb than goff, and that goff is being coached not to throw to watkins. you call me out as making comments without actual evidence, yet you make absurd comments like this that are nothing more than nonsense you conjured up. do you not get how posters are reading this and think you're being foolish. Edited November 22, 2017 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, teef said: again, you insist on playing the you don't watch the games card because you have no legit argument. you've come up with such ridiculous arguments, i wouldn't be shocked if you haven't watched a single rams game, and are just saying so to bolster your point. ok. you said i don't have any evidence to my comments. what have i been wrong about. i've mentioned that sammy hasn't done anything to call him elite, and i've made the comment that his production since being in the nfl has been underwhelming. what am i wrong about? i don't think anyone reasonable can argue against these points. since no on reasonable can argue these points, you've literally lied making unfounded comments like taylor is a much better qb than goff, and that goff is being coached not to throw to watkins. you call me out as making comments without actual evidence, yet you make absurd comments like this that are nothing more than nonsense you conjured up? do you not get how posters are reading this and think you're being foolish. Think? No, we "know". We know because we watched all his comments. You haven't, therefore, you know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cynical said: Think? No, we "know". We know because we watched all his comments. You haven't, therefore, you know nothing. the entire thing is almost twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Cynical said: Think? No, we "know". We know because we watched all his comments. You haven't, therefore, you know nothing. And what do you have to add? And again another poster who hasn't watched games, knows anything about the Rams, their offense and how they use Sammy...... Enough you and Teef and keep patting yourself on the back and not watch the Rams. Your prerogative..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And what do you have to add? And again another poster who hasn't watched games, knows anything about the Rams, their offense and how they use Sammy...... Enough you and Teef and keep patting yourself on the back and not watch the Rams. Your prerogative..... can you describe me what i wasn't correct about? and again, why do i have to watch the games to have an opinion that sammy isn't elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And what do you have to add? And again another poster who hasn't watched games, knows anything about the Rams, their offense and how they use Sammy...... Enough you and Teef and keep patting yourself on the back and not watch the Rams. Your prerogative..... Goff called out Sammy for quitting on a play earlier in the year. That's from a player that actually KNOWS what the play was. Sammy admits he gets confused by defensive coverage. That's from the player himself. What have you got? Goff is being coached/told not to throw to Watkins. Your evidence: "I watched all the games." Pfft. So, you know all the routes Sammy is supposed to run. You know all the adjustments Sammy is supposed to make on those routes based on the coverage (I presume you have concluded they are all correct adjustments). Heck, you know the entire Rams O and how its implemented, and all the adjustments and tweaks from "watching the game". Why are you here? Why haven't you pitched your observational skills to some NFL team? The reality is you know nothing. You see what you want to see when watching the game, and you ignore anything else that contradicts that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cynical said: Goff called out Sammy for quitting on a play earlier in the year. That's from a player that actually KNOWS what the play was. Sammy admits he gets confused by defensive coverage. That's from the player himself. What have you got? Goff is being coached/told not to throw to Watkins. Your evidence: "I watched all the games." Pfft. So, you know all the routes Sammy is supposed to run. You know all the adjustments Sammy is supposed to make on those routes based on the coverage (I presume you have concluded they are all correct adjustments). Heck, you know the entire Rams O and how its implemented, and all the adjustments and tweaks from "watching the game". Why are you here? Why haven't you pitched your observational skills to some NFL team? The reality is you know nothing. You see what you want to see when watching the game, and you ignore anything else that contradicts that position. Congrats you are right..... I saw the play, Watkins quit and admitted that he was confused (BTW it was only the 3-4th game of the season, but keep harping on it). Watch a game and you will see from their formations and movements that Sammy is the odd man out on many routes. He however has drawn the #1 cover guy and double (since you don't watch and thus can't argue the point) other receivers have room to roam and catch balls. Just a fact, but keep patting yourself on the back. Edited November 22, 2017 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Congrats you are right..... I saw the play, Watkins quit and admitted that he was confused (BTW it was only the 3-4th game of the season, but keep harping on it). Watch a game and you will see from their formations and movements that Sammy is the odd man out on many routes. He however has drawn the #1 cover guy and double (since you don't watch and thus can't argue the point) other receivers have room to roam and catch balls. Just a fact, but keep patting yourself on the back. i'm still waiting for you to know how anything i've said isn't correct. you can tell us to watch the games all you want, but at this point, it's nothing more than a deflection from you for not having enough of an argument to back up that sammy isn't anything but an average wr at this point. you're the one who claims to watch the games, yet you've made comments that you can't back up. by watching the game, do you know that goff is being coached to ignore sammy? it's hard to believe at this point that you've seen anything more than rams highlights. you let emotion override reality when it comes to watkins for some reason. Edited November 22, 2017 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, teef said: i'm still waiting for you to know how anything i've said isn't correct. you can tell us to watch the games all you want, but at this point, it's nothing more than a deflection from you for not having enough of an argument to back up that sammy isn't anything but an average wr at this point. you're the one who claims to watch the games, yet you've made comments that you can't back up. by watching the game, do you know that goff is being coached to ignore sammy? it's hard to believe at this point that you've seen anything more than rams highlights. you let emotion override reality when it comes to watkins for some reason. And you claim that an average wr garners the top cover guy and double coverage on almost every play? You throw out only catches and targets and I am stating facts that the All22 shows him open and by watching the game, the pass play calls, Goff's eyes and progressions that he is not looking @ Watkins. Yes the play call is for Watkins to preoccupy the opposing teams best defender and double coverage and make easier throws to Woods, Kugg, the TE, Gurley & Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And you claim that an average wr garners the top cover guy and double coverage on almost every play? You throw out only catches and targets and I am stating facts that the All22 shows him open and by watching the game, the pass play calls, Goff's eyes and progressions that he is not looking @ Watkins. Yes the play call is for Watkins to preoccupy the opposing teams best defender and double coverage and make easier throws to Woods, Kugg, the TE, Gurley & Austin. come on 72...the only "facts" you've thrown out is that goff either isn't good, or that he's being coached not to throw to sammy. i'm not saying watkins isn't getting attention, but so what. all top level receivers get that attention. guess what? they also get the production as well. that's what it is to be an elite wr...you're covered, yet you still grab balls and score tds. sammy has been with the rams long enough to develop some chemistry with his qb. maybe you need to watch those games just a bit closer to see why he's not getting balls thrown is way. maybe at some point, it's on sammy. all i've heard about sammy's lack of production is excuses. honestly...it took woods being out for you to think that sammy might finally get some numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 hours ago, H2o said: And I agree that he has had some meh games, but I also think that LA has A LOT more options than some other teams right now. When you look at how McVay has them playing I think Woods has been an integral part exactly when they needed him to be. If he was still here he would be our #1, even though he reminds me more of a #2 like Peerless Price. Yeah I totally agree with that, Peerless is a very good comparison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 And from Sammy Watkins...... THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- Sammy Watkins has a saying. A belief, actually. "Ninety-percent of the time, I feel like I'm open," he said. "The other 10 percent, some s--- go bad with the quarterback; a sack or something like that. But 90 percent of the time, I feel like I'm open." If that's the case, now is the time for the Los Angeles Rams to find him. He sees it the same way I do....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On November 22, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Billsfan1972 said: And you claim that an average wr garners the top cover guy and double coverage on almost every play? You throw out only catches and targets and I am stating facts that the All22 shows him open and by watching the game, the pass play calls, Goff's eyes and progressions that he is not looking @ Watkins. Yes the play call is for Watkins to preoccupy the opposing teams best defender and double coverage and make easier throws to Woods, Kugg, the TE, Gurley & Austin. Ok.... Thats why the other top/elite WRs in the league just crank out numbers??Thats why Sammy went to Twitter to whine about targets. Don't you get sick of defending Watkins? Marrone couldn't figure out how to feature him, Rex didn't feature him and now McVay isn't featuring him after the team spent a 2nd to get him in a contract year. Sammy is the SAME player after 4 years now. He flashes, but in 2/3 of games he is an afterthought. So McVay, offensive genius and COY candidate sees Sammy wide open all the time, Goff who has improved leaps and bounds this year sees Sammy wide open all the time and both guys conclude that throwing to 'lesser' players is the smarter play??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 7:19 AM, Doc Brown said: I'm a little confused as well. The article basically says they need to target Watkins more with Woods out and the OP's talking about Goff being overrated (explaining the lack of production by Watkins). I think. If the Rams are counting on Watkins stepping up they're in for a rude awakening. He seems to be good at stepping up to the trainer's table, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 hours ago, dulles said: He seems to be good at stepping up to the trainer's table, that's about it. Are you talking about Gaines or Matthews who have both missed multiple games this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Ok.... Thats why the other top/elite WRs in the league just crank out numbers??Thats why Sammy went to Twitter to whine about targets. Don't you get sick of defending Watkins? Marrone couldn't figure out how to feature him, Rex didn't feature him and now McVay isn't featuring him after the team spent a 2nd to get him in a contract year. Sammy is the SAME player after 4 years now. He flashes, but in 2/3 of games he is an afterthought. So McVay, offensive genius and COY candidate sees Sammy wide open all the time, Goff who has improved leaps and bounds this year sees Sammy wide open all the time and both guys conclude that throwing to 'lesser' players is the smarter play??? He's open but the play call is the other direction and McVay is protecting Goff who is no asked to make tough completions in traffic. If he was in coaching Buffalo Tyrod would be an elite qb. Watch the Rams play before an uninformed opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: He's open but the play call is the other direction and McVay is protecting Goff who is no asked to make tough completions in traffic. If he was in coaching Buffalo Tyrod would be an elite qb. Watch the Rams play before an uninformed opinion. Who do you think you are? Are you Charlie Weiss wearing your 3 Super Bowl rings into recruiting visits? No, you are a common street fan with an opinion. My opinion is Watkins is not an elite WR, doesn't produce like one. Still has not had a season as good as Steve Johnson's best 4 years in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Touchdown on first drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 TD and two catches first possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: TD and two catches first possession. and I didn't start him on my fantasy team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: and I didn't start him on my fantasy team I did Baby! Keep it rolling. Those Ex Bills at WR are legit. Edited November 26, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Romo just called out Sammy for being lazy on a crucial 3rd down play, Rams forced to punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 McVay, to his credit, hasn't changed his offense at all. They just have different guys in on plays Woods be in on. Goff still doing all he did before, spreading it around. Made a great TD pass to a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Watkins needs to step up? This isn’t a Rams board so why does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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