Best Player Available Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 11 hours ago, par73 said: Rebuilding (the process?) is going to take more than one offseason. They have needs almost everywhere. with a lot of them self inflicted by the new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Total and complete disarray. The defense is a disaster and McDermott is a national joke for starting Not Ready Nathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 They just need to sit down as a family and have some turkey dinner. Everything is fine. Big Slow receivers running across the middle of the field wide open is all apart of the process. How many times have we seen that in the past two weeks with Thomas and Allen!? yikes man yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, bmur66 said: Old, devoid of talent, injury prone. Wake me up for the draft please. What’s weird is that this team is so old. I could stomach a beat down if it was young guys learning and who had a bright future. The current roster though will inevitably have to be overhauled at nearly every major position, except maybe CB. That will just add like 3 years to a 3-year rebuilding plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I can excuse the defense because it was bad when they took over. Lorenzo Alexander and Kyle Williams have hit the wall, Shaq Lawson is not playing close to a 1st round pick, and you can point to the Dareus trade but I think we grab Star Lotulelei in free agency. The defense was always going to be a 2 year minimum rebuilding project. They fixed the secondary this year which is impressive, but the front 7 needs to be started over from scratch. The dismantling of our top 10 scoring offense however is unforgivable. If McDermott doesn’t fire Dennison how can he look his players in the eyes? Bench Tyrod and preach accountability, but the guy who ruined the offense is shielded from blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 hours ago, Avisan said: They inherited a talented roster that was a good coach and defensive coordinator away from a serious playoff push. They proceeded to gut the roster and ruin last year's 7th-best offense while making no improvements whatsoever on defense. The excuses need to end. Serious playoff push? We had like the easiest schedule in the league last year and won 7 games. We had like no cap room because of this so called playoff roster. People wanted to franchise Gilmore this year, and Watkins because apparently cap space grows on trees. Glenn and dareus are two of the worst contracts in the league. For what they are paid they should be approaching all-pro status. All im saying is why keep a proven loser together? Blow it up, get a qb, and get the right players to build around. The core here was expensive and vastly overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, dneveu said: Serious playoff push? We had like the easiest schedule in the league last year and won 7 games. We had like no cap room because of this so called playoff roster. People wanted to franchise Gilmore this year, and Watkins because apparently cap space grows on trees. Glenn and dareus are two of the worst contracts in the league. For what they are paid they should be approaching all-pro status. All im saying is why keep a proven loser together? Blow it up, get a qb, and get the right players to build around. The core here was expensive and vastly overrated. This is sorely revisionist. This team had a top offense and good defensive personnel being held back by bad coaching. A lot of the same guys that thrived under Schwartz were struggling under Rex. We KNOW the talent was there. Do you remember how we would have had Watkins for pretty cheap if we'd just picked up his 5th-year option? Because I do. Our cap space was limited, but fine. Other teams manage with far worse situations than ours without gutting all of the young talent on their roster. Glenn's contract is fine, too-- left tackles are expensive to keep. Just the nature of the business. When he's been in good schemes, he's been a monster in the run game and an above-average pass-blocker. We've been dramatically more successful running to the left than anywhere else since we've drafted him. Dareus was absolutely overpaid, but still an effective player with elite potential. It is the coaching staff's job to get those players to turn potential into production. Jacksonville traded for Dareus and immediately improved in the run defense game by 3 yards per attempt. That obviously isn't ALL Dareus, but he's a big part of that. We didn't have a proven loser. We had a talented roster that everybody thought was a good coach away from the playoffs. Pretending otherwise now that The Process is imploding is just disingenuous. Edited November 20, 2017 by Avisan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Avisan said: This is sorely revisionist. This team had a top offense and good defensive personnel being held back by bad coaching. A lot of the same guys that thrived under Schwartz were struggling under Rex. We KNOW the talent was there. Do you remember how we would have had Watkins for pretty cheap if we'd just picked up his 5th-year option? Because I do. Our cap space was limited, but fine. Other teams manage with far worse situations than ours without gutting all of the young talent on their roster. Glenn's contract is fine, too-- left tackles are expensive to keep. Just the nature of the business. When he's been in good schemes, he's been a monster in the run game and an above-average pass-blocker. We've been dramatically more successful running to the left than anywhere else since we've drafted him. Dareus was absolutely overpaid, but still an effective player with elite potential. It is the coaching staff's job to get those players to turn potential into production. Jacksonville traded for Dareus and immediately improved in the run defense game by 3 yards per attempt. That obviously isn't ALL Dareus, but he's a big part of that. We didn't have a proven loser. We had a talented roster that everybody thought was a good coach away from the playoffs. Pretending otherwise now that The Process is imploding is just disingenuous. Jacksonville played Cincinnati and Cleveland in that span. Dareus was paid to do it all, not stuff the run. How much more was he paid than Damon Harrison or Brandon Williams for similar production. Conditioning is a huge issue and he can't rush the passer as well because he's so heavy. Glenn has the 5th highest annual, and one of the highest guarantees at signing. He isn't a top 5 LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) I think ownership is the overriding problem with the team(s). I'm just at the point now (I know some of you think it's way too early) where I can declare Pegula as an incompetent owner. It's such a kick in the balls too, we go from a cheap old man who would only hire people he knew, to a Mr. Money Bags who doesn't know anyone in sports that can, or is willing to help him build successful teams. It's so rust belty WNY... Edited November 20, 2017 by T-Bomb Punctuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 18 hours ago, oldmanfan said: They need to build from inside out. Fix the lines. This. You fix the OL and DL, that will cover for A LOT of other deficiencies. A good DL that gets pressure will cover for a lack of talent at CB. With a good OL, it doesn't much matter who your receivers or running backs are. It all starts up front, on both sides of the ball. Pick the best 5 receivers you can think of. I don't care who they are. If the line can't protect the QB long enough for them to run their routes, then they're absolutely useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 State of the team: -We have little talent on both sides of the ball. -No young, up and coming players we can build around -We still need a QB -Our best player is a RB who will be 30 next year -Our coaching staff looks more and more clueless each week. They are conservative and love to punt or kick field goals. -We continue fitting square pegs in round holes Did I forget anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Avisan said: They inherited a talented roster that was a good coach and defensive coordinator away from a serious playoff push. They proceeded to gut the roster and ruin last year's 7th-best offense while making no improvements whatsoever on defense. The excuses need to end. I think this is closer to truth than "they inherited a mess" take on it. They inherited a team with some needs, but they let go of a number of players with talent and failed to acquire adequate replacements, while failing to sufficiently improve positions of significant need (eg right side of OL). Maybe they could bring in Kraig Urbik if his knee is healthy. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Its time to rebuild the lines..........we cant keep hiding that mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Sweats said: Its time to rebuild the lines..........we cant keep hiding that mess. That will take about 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 For now, focus all resources on a stud QB, if we think we can get a stud QB we love. Start to fill in around him later. Without the QB at the heart of the team, there is no team. As others have said, this ain't gonna get fixed in a single off-season, so get used to that. Once we have the stud QB, he'll have 2 or 3 bad seasons once he joins the team. That's just how it usually goes. Playoffs in 2020, here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, T-Bomb said: That will take about 3 seasons. Im okay with that. Every viable franchise in the NFL takes care of their lines...........its not glamorous or the sexy picks, but its a building block on the foundation of progress and stability. We seem to neglect the lines every year and it shows on the field each week. If McD's "process" doesnt involve shoring up the lines, then he is no better than every other HC who came in and gave the organisation and its fanbase lip-service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 5 hours ago, dneveu said: Serious playoff push? We had like the easiest schedule in the league last year and won 7 games. We had like no cap room because of this so called playoff roster. People wanted to franchise Gilmore this year, and Watkins because apparently cap space grows on trees. Glenn and dareus are two of the worst contracts in the league. For what they are paid they should be approaching all-pro status. All im saying is why keep a proven loser together? Blow it up, get a qb, and get the right players to build around. The core here was expensive and vastly overrated. Nice post. The fan base here at TSW usually greatly over-estimates the talent level on the Bills. Earlier in the year many suggested we had one of the best front 7 in the league. WHAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Realistically this team has about 10-11 glaring holes. We need a QB, completely new Dline (4), at least 2 LBs and 2-3 OL. Throw in another RB and TE/WR and we can't possibly fix that in one offseason. I just hope we get a QB and at least a starting RG/RT out of the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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