oldmanfan Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 When he was put in, he did the job that was asked of him. Like I said, he's not perfect and I was happy with what Beane did. But Dareus got !@#$ed in Buffalo, in my opinion. He's had coaches try to coddle him and coaches that demand more of him. And for that he got a 100 million dollar contract. How exactly is he mistreated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It's part of the process. Beane and McDermott are going to take a couple of season to build the roster through the draft and then you fill in with free agents. They weren't going to be signing any big money deals this coming off-season, so the $14 million in dead cap space will not affect us at all. Might as well take the entire hit next year if you can do it and be free and clear from the contract entering the 2019 season. We are 4-2, get to the frickin playoffs for one time in the last 17 damn years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 That cap space will be worth far more than Dareus in 2019. You are clueless. We could have let Dareus play this year and next year. We cut him after 2018 with a post june cut and his dead cap was barely anything. The huge amount of additional cap space in 2019 and beyond is fictional. Indeed, some people are so blind that they are clueless and are quick to call others clueless while they attempt to justify a ridiculous trade. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Indeed, some people are so blind that they are clueless and are quick to call others clueless while they attempt to justify a ridiculous trade. Thanks. You have visions of the pre-contract Dareus in your head. It's fine to say let him play for two years. But when you can't count on his motivation to play every game, at an exorbitant cost, it's a problem. He'll say all the right things inJville then notperform and/or get suspended. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 He's had coaches try to coddle him and coaches that demand more of him. And for that he got a 100 million dollar contract. How exactly is he mistreated? I didn't say mistreated. When he signed his contract, it was after a season in which he had 9 sacks and was a VISIBLE dominant force. That wasn't his role in Rex Ryan's defense, but that didn't mean he wasn't playing well. It was just less flashy. He endures two years of that ass hole and in comes McDermott. I like McDermott, but he's been a dick to Dareus since the day he got hired. Dareus continued to do what he was asked to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I didn't say mistreated. When he signed his contract, it was after a season in which he had 9 sacks and was a VISIBLE dominant force. That wasn't his role in Rex Ryan's defense, but that didn't mean he wasn't playing well. It was just less flashy. He endures two years of that ass hole and in comes McDermott. I like McDermott, but he's been a dick to Dareus since the day he got hired. Dareus continued to do what he was asked to do. Dareus is asked to be late to meetings and games? Dareus is asked to loaf around on his limited snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I think people need to get off this "top talent" stuff when talking about Dareus. Before he signed his big deal, he showed top talent play. But since? No. The three biggest deals thus far are Sammy, Gilmore, and Dareus. Sammy is a decoy in LA, Gilmore was playing poorly in NE before he got hurt. Now we'll see about Dareus. But maybe, just maybe, McD and Beane know what they're doing. Agreed. Dareus showed his talent for a very short period and that was a loooooooooooooong time ago. If he was on pace for a career year and caving in OLine interiors, this trade probably still happens but the return is better. Let someone else take the risk on a guy who has had MULTIPLE off the field problems and is one hot piss test away from being suspended for at least a season. These are not the players you give top dollar to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I didn't say mistreated. When he signed his contract, it was after a season in which he had 9 sacks and was a VISIBLE dominant force. That wasn't his role in Rex Ryan's defense, but that didn't mean he wasn't playing well. It was just less flashy. He endures two years of that ass hole and in comes McDermott. I like McDermott, but he's been a dick to Dareus since the day he got hired. Dareus continued to do what he was asked to do. Did he really? Come on now. And since when is a coach asking a player to live by rules he demands of all his players mean the coach is a dick? Maybe McNair is right. The inmates shouldn't run the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) You have visions of the pre-contract Dareus in your head. It's fine to say let him play for two years. But when you can't count on his motivation to play every game, at an exorbitant cost, it's a problem. He'll say all the right things inJville then notperform and/or get suspended. Watch. ....both Lynch and Peters wanted out and fared well respectively in Seattle and Philly.......difference is Dareus arrives in J'ville with an overstuffed wallet.........would be a bad move to test Coughlin or Marrone though...... Edited October 29, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 ....both Lynch and Peters wanted out and fared well respectively in Seattle and Philly.......difference is Dareus arrives in J'ville with an overstuffed wallet.........would be a bad move to test Coughlin or Marrone though...... I may be in the minority here but I think he'll fare well in his new environment. remains to be seen but one thing is certain and I agree, he leaves with a really nice overstuffed wallet and likely looking back and saying, suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 As others have said, it's 'addition by subtraction'. No doubt it was necessary, but wish we had gotten more than a 6th. Any draft pick was a cherry on top. They should be elated ANYONE took on that contract and haynesworth 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I am so excited. I cannot wait to see who we pick with that 6th round pick. I already have started my mock drafts. I know you aren't stupid, but it is stupid to ignore the positive financial implications of the trade. Dareus was, for Buffalo, a dead weight. That weight has been removed and that is a very, very good thing. Dareus may suddenly become a motivated player, the force he can be, but there is little to suggest that would have happened in Buffalo. Addition by subtraction with financial gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I may be in the minority here but I think he'll fare well in his new environment. remains to be seen but one thing is certain and I agree, he leaves with a really nice overstuffed wallet and likely looking back and saying, suckers. ......could be right bud......but he'll need to re-tune his attitude because Coughlin and yes, Marrone are da fuhrers................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Wow. You must be an accountant. I cannot wait to see the player we get for that 6th round pick. He no doubt will not take up much cap space so you will be very happy yet again. You called me clueless, but I am completely unimpressed with getting a 6th round pick for Dareus. How long have we heard about Dareus being traded? Clearly, Beane had advertised to the league that he was desperate to trade Dareus. Beane got what a desperate GM gets. Essentially nothing. Great. Wonderful. To make matters worse. We traded Dareus to Doug Marrone's team. I have a feeling that Marrone knows that Dareus is not the cancer that the Bills are trying to make him out to be to attempt to justify the bag of pucks we got for Dareus. In fact, I have a feeling Marrone knows just how good Dareus is and is laughing because this is the second time that he has essentially robbed the Buffalo Bills. Wow. I am so excited. myopic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Dareus is a fat lazy pig who only throws in a bit of effort when he feels like it. At least we didn't have to give somebody draft choices to take his fat salary off our hands, like Texas did with that quarterback. $16 million for what, 8 tackles? He's a stoner, an underachiever, and he had to go. I hope he likes playing for Marrone again. Obviously they will have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Use that draft capital wisely. @Matt_Bove Give him all the draft picks 11:57 AM - 29 Oct 2017 from Orchard Park, NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) As others have said, it's 'addition by subtraction'. No doubt it was necessary, but wish we had gotten more than a 6th. Try giving up a 2nd to get rid of Dareus. That's what Houston had to do with Osweiler. Edited October 29, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Try giving up a 2nd to get rid of Dareus. That's what Houston had to do with Osweiler. The talent level difference of the two players is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 These threads really make me hope we get to 6-2.There will still be complaints and stupid posts, but I agree, they'll matter less at 6-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I'll say it again now that our run game has been good with Glenn in line up, we can not trade him!!! Dawkins is no where near the level Glenn is and we are 5-2. You never know when you will be in this position again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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