1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) As painful as it was, I decided to watch the coaches film to see what happened on Sunday and if it is fixable. As much as I'd like to call for Rico's head, his play calling was not that awful. The execution was. This team was just out of sync since the first play. Do you blame it on the coaches for not having the team ready or is this the end result of two consecutive road games and an emotional let down after taking the Atlanta game. And the Buffalo news about Shady losing a step is bull ****. The O-Line and FB's were constantly missing blocks or not picking up a stunt or blitz properly. DiMarco looked bad. He failed to pick up linebackers on a few carries and wide open holes for Shady collapsed quickly. There were lanes to run, but either someone on the line missed an assignment or for some stupid reason they would double up on a man and leave another running free. Everyone just seemed confused on plays. Tyrod had a bad day. I credit the Bengals line for doing something I hadn't seen done and that is to keep turning TT back to the middle of the field. Usually when pressure comes, Tyrod gets out to the perimeter and is a threat to run or throw. For some reason he kept turning back into the pocket and trying to step up where he would get swallowed by an eventual meltdown by a lineman who couldn't hold the block any longer. The whole O-line looked bad and out of sync. I'd want to call Ducasse out as the single reason for meltdowns but he had help. Even Richie was losing his blocks in the passing game. Tyrod never got into any sort of rhythm with the offense and he does not have the confidence to throw it into tight windows. When people complain that our receivers are not getting separation, I started questioning how bad they were, but the truth was that although not wide wide open, they often had a step or two on the defense. A good quarterback finds that and makes the play. Watching the Cowboys-Packers and even the Bears-Vikings, I saw QB's throwing to receivers who were not any more open than ours and they were making plays. Rodgers always challenges the secondary. He let's his receivers make the play. Ours never even get a chance. Even when they are open and in space, TT was throwing low or behind so they didn't even have a chance for YAC. I think we can turn this around with our present players, although it would be nice to add a WR that can make plays and contested catches. The main thing we need to do is execute the play and draw up some more plays to keep Tyrod moving out of the pocket. TT needs to be a threat to take off at anytime and once he runs for 3-4 plays of 10-15 yards or more, defenses will have to adjust and the run game and lanes will open up. Our players also need more awareness of what the defense is doing. It seems that guys do not make adjustments when a play called is not working. Watching DiMarco run off to make a block on a lineman when a linebacker is flying toward Shady is just stupid. He has to be aware of what is happening. More than a few times I saw Richie standing in the middle of the field not blocking anyone because no one was rushing through him. Meanwhile two guys bull over Wood and collapse the pocket. Richie has to be aware and adjust. This is a team game and if the offense can gel as a team, I think they will find a way to make it into the playoffs. On defense, outside of AJ Green going wild, we seemed okay. The pass rush vs the Bengals was not effective and it let Dalton have a bit too much time to find AJ. I really wish Dareus would get motivated. With a healthy Shaq and Gaines back, our D could be special. I'm anxious to see what the coaches feel after reviewing the tape. They must feel that a lot of this is fixable. I wonder if Beane will sack up and make a trade. I wouldn't mind seeing another RB and WR and even G/T come in. Go Bills. Edited October 11, 2017 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Nice nice writeup. Thanks for the breakdown. I am still wondering why Tyrod didn't take off on some plays but it sounds like they were forcing him to the middle all day. And yes, agreed that this is fixable and we're expected to have bad games, just not in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Excellent UDFA. But having enough talent to make the playoffs. That is debateable until the end of the year hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) The 2nd Bills drive showed me all I want to know regarding TT's love affair in holding the ball. He sidearmed a ball low and slightly behind Tate that if in stride would've resulted in a 20+ yard gain. Later that drive after the Clay duck ball and injury, there was the late throw to Logan Thomas at the 10. If TT had any kind of field vision and wasn't so late throwing it, it wouldve been an easy 1st down near the 5 or 6. Even the announcers criticized him for holding it so long. His field vision is awful. And as we've harped for over 2 yrs now he waits way too long to pull the trigger. Still refuses to throw over the middle. Edited October 10, 2017 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just saw some all 22 on Instagram. So frustrating to watch Tyrod miss wide open recievers. He misses windows. Don't know why he's so hesitant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 The 2nd Bills drive showed me all I want to know regarding TT's love affair in holding the ball. He sidearmed a ball low and slightly behind Tate that if in stride would've resulted in a 20+ yard gain. Later that drive after the Clay duck ball and injury, there was the late throw to Logan Thomas at the 10. If TT had any kind of field vision and wasn't so late throwing it, it wouldve been an easy 1st down near the 5 or 6. Even the announcers criticized him for holding it so long. His field vision is awful. And as we've harped for over 2 yrs now he waits way too long to pull the trigger. Still refuses to throw over the middle. Not true at all: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017100800/2017/REG5/Bills@Bengals?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017100800#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000858328&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 BillsRdue, Excellent analysis and summary. Well done. When the defense makes it a priority to keep TT in the pocket and make him be a conventional qb he struggles. He's not a rhythm passer and has an ingrained tendency to hesitate before throwing. As you noted the receivers are to an extent getting open but if the timing isn't there and the qb doesn't have the willingness/confidence to throw to tight spots then the passing game is going to be ineffective. Many, if not most, of Taylor's completion are throws that are slightly off resulting in the receivers not being able to catch the ball in stride. (As you sharply noted.) Taylor is a better passer when moving than when in the pocket. Although you are cutting the field when the qb rolls out it is still the best design for him when passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 The 2nd Bills drive showed me all I want to know regarding TT's love affair in holding the ball. He sidearmed a ball low and slightly behind Tate that if in stride would've resulted in a 20+ yard gain. Later that drive after the Clay duck ball and injury, there was the late throw to Logan Thomas at the 10. If TT had any kind of field vision and wasn't so late throwing it, it wouldve been an easy 1st down near the 5 or 6. Even the announcers criticized him for holding it so long. His field vision is awful. And as we've harped for over 2 yrs now he waits way too long to pull the trigger. Still refuses to throw over the middle. Yes, as painful as it is to admit, Tyrod has some serious deficiencies. If he is going to be our QB, we have to adjust to his game and make him a weapon. If not, see if Peterman can make these throws. Yards and TD's are there for the taking, but we need to be motivated, in-sync and hungry to win all the time. There is not enough talent to overcome a lackluster day from TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yes, as painful as it is to admit, Tyrod has some serious deficiencies. If he is going to be our QB, we have to adjust to his game and make him a weapon. If not, see if Peterman can make these throws. Yards and TD's are there for the taking, but we need to be motivated, in-sync and hungry to win all the time. There is not enough talent to overcome a lackluster day from TT. Peterman blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Nice nice writeup. Thanks for the breakdown. I am still wondering why Tyrod didn't take off on some plays but it sounds like they were forcing him to the middle all day. And yes, agreed that this is fixable and we're expected to have bad games, just not in December. Murphy said on WGR that the Bengals were keeping him pinned in so he couldn't escape. Sounds like the Belly plan for Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just saw some all 22 on Instagram. So frustrating to watch Tyrod miss wide open recievers. He misses windows. Don't know why he's so hesitant Was it that bad? Does anyone have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just saw some all 22 on Instagram. So frustrating to watch Tyrod miss wide open recievers. He misses windows. Don't know why he's so hesitant Doesn't see it or doesn't see it fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Doesn't see it or doesn't see it fast enough. What's the difference? The outcome is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Peterman blows And TT doesn't? What's the difference? The outcome is the same. Not saying the result is different just the reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 When the Bills win Tyrod has nothing to do with the outcome. When the Bills lose Tyrod has everything to do with the outcome. Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 When the Bills win Tyrod has nothing to do with the outcome. When the Bills lose Tyrod has everything to do with the outcome. Rinse and repeat. Don't rinse and repeat too much or you'll dry your hair out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just saw some all 22 on Instagram. So frustrating to watch Tyrod miss wide open recievers. He misses windows. Don't know why he's so hesitantwhat ig has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdand12 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 As painful as it was, I decided to watch the coaches film to see what happened on Sunday and if it is fixable. As much as I'd like to call for Rico's head, his play calling was not that awful. The execution was. This team was just out of sync since the first play. Do you blame it on the coaches for not having the team ready or is this the end result of two consecutive road games and an emotional let down after taking the Atlanta game. And the Buffalo news about Shady losing a step is bull ****. The O-Line and FB's were constantly missing blocks or not picking up a stunt or blitz properly. DiMarco looked bad. He failed to pick up linebackers on a few carries and wide open holes for Shady collapsed quickly. There were lanes to run, but either someone on the line missed an assignment or for some stupid reason they would double up on a man and leave another running free. Everyone just seemed confused on plays. Tyrod had a bad day. I credit the Bengals line for doing something I hadn't seen done and that is to keep turning TT back to the middle of the field. Usually when pressure comes, Tyrod gets out to the perimeter and is a threat to run or throw. For some reason he kept turning back into the pocket and trying to step up where he would get swallowed by an eventual meltdown by a lineman who couldn't hold the block any longer. The whole O-line looked bad and out of sync. I'd want to call Ducasse out as the single reason for meltdowns but he had help. Even Richie was losing his blocks in the passing game. Tyrod never got into any sort of rhythm with the offense and he does not have the confidence to throw it into tight windows. When people complain that our receivers are not getting separation, I started questioning how bad they were, but the truth was that although not wide wide open, they often had a step or two on the defense. A good quarterback finds that and makes the play. Watching the Cowboys-Packers and even the Bears-Vikings, I saw QB's throwing to receivers who were not any more open than ours and they were making plays. Rodgers always challenges the secondary. He let's his receivers make the play. Ours never even get a chance. Even when they are open and in space, TT was throwing low or behind so they didn't even have a chance for YAC. I think we can turn this around with our present players, although it would be nice to add a WR that can make plays and contested catches. The main thing we need to do is execute the play and draw up some more plays to keep Tyrod moving out of the pocket. TT needs to be a threat to take off at anytime and once he runs for 3-4 plays of 10-15 yards or more, defenses will have to adjust and the run game and lanes will open up. Our players also need more awareness of what the defense is doing. It seems that guys do not make adjustments when a play called is not working. Watching DiMarco run off to make a block on a lineman when a linebacker is flying toward Shady is just stupid. He has to be aware of what is happening. More than a few times I saw Richie standing in the middle of the field not blocking anyone because no one was rushing through him. Meanwhile two guys bull over Wood and collapse the pocket. Richie has to be aware and adjust. This is a team game and if the offense can gel as a team, I think they will find a way to make it into the playoffs. On defense, outside of AJ Green going wild, we seemed okay. The pass rush vs the Bengals was not effective and it let Dalton have a bit too much time to find AJ. I really wish Dareus would get motivated. With a healthy Shaq and Gaines back, our D could be special. I'm anxious to see what the coaches feel after reviewing the tape. They must feel that a lot of this is fixable. I wonder if Beane will sack up and make a trade. I wouldn't mind seeing another RB and WR and even G/T come in. Go Bills. Thank you for taking the time and allow a reasonable head to prevail. more of this would be welcome by me for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) The 2nd Bills drive showed me all I want to know regarding TT's love affair in holding the ball. He sidearmed a ball low and slightly behind Tate that if in stride would've resulted in a 20+ yard gain. Later that drive after the Clay duck ball and injury, there was the late throw to Logan Thomas at the 10. If TT had any kind of field vision and wasn't so late throwing it, it wouldve been an easy 1st down near the 5 or 6. Even the announcers criticized him for holding it so long. His field vision is awful. And as we've harped for over 2 yrs now he waits way too long to pull the trigger. Still refuses to throw over the middle. Say again? Edited October 11, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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