Peterman wins the game by the game by 10.

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Denver's coaches watching the game tape licking their chops. Shut down Shady and it's game over. Who's to say if we had put in Peterman that he couldn't of at least messed up the defenses gameplan enough for one or two successful drives before they could adjust. Or maybe it would of been throwing him to the wolves.

[Gugny]

Denver's coaches watching the game tape licking their chops. Shut down Shady and it's game over. Who's to say if we had put in Peterman that he couldn't of at least messed up the defenses gameplan enough for one or two successful drives before they could adjust. Or maybe it would of been throwing him to the wolves.

 

Denver's coaches are looking at Oakland game tape by now.

[quinnearlysghost88]

i hate to agree, but i do. tyrod really has to let plays develop in order to make throws. sure, no mistakes, but also no risk taking, which means no rewards and lots of stalled drives. we're getting the same from TT that we got the last couple of years. careful, measured football, some nice plays with his feet, but not a guy that is going to run an effective two-minute offense (he had two opportunities for that this game, zero points).

[auburnbillsbacker]

Denver's coaches watching the game tape licking their chops. Shut down Shady and it's game over. Who's to say if we had put in Peterman that he couldn't of at least messed up the defenses gameplan enough for one or two successful drives before they could adjust. Or maybe it would of been throwing him to the wolves.

 

When Lynn was our offensive coordinator teams knew we were going to run and we ran all over them anyways. The change in offensive scheme and the loss of Sammy really hurt.

[PolishDave]

If the Bills have a chance to win the game by the game then:

 

IN

 

Hiccup.....Burp....

 

IN

[starrymessenger]

When Lynn was our offensive coordinator teams knew we were going to run and we ran all over them anyways. The change in offensive scheme and the loss of Sammy really hurt.

 

Yeah I think I miss A. Lynn, so far at least.

[Wayne Arnold]

 

I think it's still pretty wide.

 

Taylor takes care of the ball and has proven he can make plays in the passing game from time to time. He can avoid pressure and move the ball with his legs when his protection breaks down.

 

Peterman is a complete unknown. He was an okay college player who had a mediocre preseason. He looked okay in some respects, but this notion that he'd improve our pass game when we have pass protection issues and no one to throw the ball to seems far fetched at best.

 

My guess is that the production would have been identical with turnovers mixed in. He'd have been a sitting duck in the pocket and despite his willingness to get the ball out faster, without any open targets he'd either have been taking sacks or forcing the ball into coverage.

 

The Bills passing game is simply outmatched vs an average NFL defense. We don't have enough talent.

 

Say what you want about Jordan Matthews but he led the Eagles WR's in receiving the last two seasons. He's not some bum off the street. And Jones is very talented. Are they a below average unit when compared to the rest of the league? Sure. But not to the point of completely debilitating the offense.

 

You're under the assumption that the receivers aren't getting open because Taylor isn't throwing the ball. But we know from watching Tyrod these last 2+ seasons that the problem with Tyrod isn't the throws he makes but the throws he doesn't attempt.

 

Peterman was extremely underrated in college. Watching Pitt play this season, it's become quite obvious that Peterman carried the Pitt program on his back while he was there.

[jrober38]

 

Say what you want about Jordan Matthews but he led the Eagles WR's in receiving the last two seasons. He's not some bum off the street. And Jones is very talented. Are they a below average unit when compared to the rest of the league? Sure. But not to the point of completely debilitating the offense.

 

You're under the assumption that the receivers aren't getting open because Taylor isn't throwing the ball. But we know from watching Tyrod these last 2+ seasons that the problem with Tyrod isn't the throws he makes but the throws he doesn't attempt.

 

Peterman was extremely underrated in college. Watching Pitt play this season, it's become quite obvious that Peterman carried the Pitt program on his back while he was there.

 

Jordan Matthews is a slightly better version of David Nelson. He's a big target who has nice hands but he's slow and does nothing to threaten a defense on the outside. They traded him AND a 3rd round pick for Darby because he wasn't even going to make their roster. He was buried on the depth chart and wasn't going to play.

 

Jones has shown exactly nothing. It's no guarantee he's going to become a productive pro.

 

Taylor missed guys the last couple seasons. The problem is that no one is saying that right now. Unlike the last couple years, no one is claiming he was missing open receivers like they were in the past. Our receivers just aren't getting open. Just lock them up in man coverage and focus on taking away the run, and you'll successfully stop this offense.

Edited September 18, 2017 by jrober38

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Say what you want about Jordan Matthews but he led the Eagles WR's in receiving the last two seasons. He's not some bum off the street. And Jones is very talented. Are they a below average unit when compared to the rest of the league? Sure. But not to the point of completely debilitating the offense.

 

You're under the assumption that the receivers aren't getting open because Taylor isn't throwing the ball. But we know from watching Tyrod these last 2+ seasons that the problem with Tyrod isn't the throws he makes but the throws he doesn't attempt.

 

Peterman was extremely underrated in college. Watching Pitt play this season, it's become quite obvious that Peterman carried the Pitt program on his back while he was there.

 

Dan Marino carried the Pitt program during his time there. Nathan Peterman was a pretty good QB while there, but carrying the program? No.

[Wayne Arnold]

 

Jordan Matthews is a slightly better version of David Nelson. He's a big target who has nice hands but he's slow and does nothing to threaten a defense on the outside. They traded him AND a 3rd round pick for Darby because he wasn't even going to make their roster. He was buried on the depth chart and wasn't going to play.

 

Jones has shown exactly nothing. It's no guarantee he's going to become a productive pro.

 

Taylor missed guys the last couple seasons. The problem is that no one is saying that right now. Unlike the last couple years, no one is claiming he was missing open receivers like they were in the past. Our receivers just aren't getting open. Just lock them up in man coverage and focus on taking away the run, and you'll successfully stop this offense.

 

No one?

 

Here's one example of what I'm sure will be many from the Panthers game. O'Leary WIDE open for an easy first.

 

Edited September 18, 2017 by Wayne Arnold

[rjones71]

No doubt in my mind

Lookey here. On this message board you can be a doctor, a lawyer, rich and famous, or just about anything else you choose. Why did you decide to be stupid??

[BADOLBILZ]

 

No one?

 

Here's one example of what I'm sure will be many from the Panthers game. O'Leary WIDE open for an easy first.

 

 

 

Yep......throwing back over the middle late can never go wrong.

 

The fullback was open......the throw was a little too hard but more surprisingly DiMarco looked like he'd never caught a football in his life on that play........compared to the day by 2015 NFL MVP Cam freakin' Newton Taylor was on freakin' point!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Peterman is so good, he would not only win the game by 10, he would win the game by the game by 10!

 

I'm not even sure what that means, but Peterman has gotta be good!

 

Is this a recap of him playing madden on the sidelines?

[DriveFor1Outta5]

 

No one?

 

Here's one example of what I'm sure will be many from the Panthers game. O'Leary WIDE open for an easy first.

 

Never underestimate how fundamentally unsound NFL defenses are. This idea some posters have that everyone was covered all day is absurd imo. As a whole NFL defnders do not understand fundamentals. During an NFL game defenders blow their assignments multiple times every game. This happens even more frequently with complex zone schemes. Even with a sub par receiver group, guys will get open during games when assignments are blown. The issue is that TT never sees any of it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

 

Yep......throwing back over the middle late can never go wrong.

 

The fullback was open......the throw was a little too hard but more surprisingly DiMarco looked like he'd never caught a football in his life on that play........compared to the day by 2015 NFL MVP Cam freakin' Newton Taylor was on freakin' point!

Exactly. TT never breaks those rules. It's conservative but keeps turnovers down.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Our offense was offensive.

[Wayne Arnold]

Yep......throwing back over the middle late can never go wrong.

 

The fullback was open......the throw was a little too hard but more surprisingly DiMarco looked like he'd never caught a football in his life on that play........compared to the day by 2015 NFL MVP Cam freakin' Newton Taylor was on freakin' point!

 

He wouldn't be throwing it back over the middle. Taylor could have lobbed it under-hand to the left hash over the two defenders into O'Leary's arms he was so open.

[jrober38]

 

No one?

 

Here's one example of what I'm sure will be many from the Panthers game. O'Leary WIDE open for an easy first.

 

Where did the ball get thrown?

 

And what is our fullback doing? He looks like he's the defender. LOL

Edited September 18, 2017 by jrober38

[Kelly the Dog]

 

He wouldn't be throwing it back over the middle. Taylor could have lobbed it under-hand to the left hash over the two defenders into O'Leary's arms he was so open.

You're complaining that a QB didn't break one of the cardinal rules of quarterbacking, something virtually everyone says to never ever do, and disregard what looks to be a shorter easier almost sure first down right in front of him. DiMarco just drops it.

[HappyDays]

 

No one?

 

Here's one example of what I'm sure will be many from the Panthers game. O'Leary WIDE open for an easy first.

 

I don't think any QB makes that throw. Maybe Rodgers tries it because he's that good. QBs are taught to never throw back over their body like that, that's how you toss up easy picks. Tyrod was never looking in that direction. It's a run 1 yard or throw to the FB play. Problem is the FB had the ball hit his hands but dropped it. He wasn't touched and neither was the ball. That's a 3rd down miss.

 

Maybe other plays will turn up showing receivers he missed. But as I mentioned in another thread we have nothing to compare that to. I saw a play in the Falcons game where Matt Ryan overthrew Taylor Gabriel on a deep sideline throw. The broadcast replay showed Julio Jones running a cross route over the middle and he was wide open. I doubt Matt Ryan misses that kind of thing nearly as often as Tyrod does but without a comparison it's impossible to know what the difference is. Was Tyrod even supposed to look at O'leary on that play? We will never know. Only the coaches do. To my eyes it looks like a designed run or pass to DiMarco. On a 3rd and 1 that will usually work for us. But he needs to catch the ball that hits his hands cleanly.

Exactly. TT never breaks those rules. It's conservative but keeps turnovers down.

Conservative is always the right choice on 3rd and 1. People thinking he should have thrown to O'Leary are doing classic hindsight analysis. Last year there were several 3rd and shorts where Tyrod threw an intermediate or deep pass and people wondered why he didn't take the safe throw. Now he takes the safe throw, but because DiMarco can't make a simple clean catch it is why didn't Tyrod take the riskier option? I don't ever want Tyrod making that pass to O'Leary. If the FB catches the ball we aren't talking about that play.