Doc Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 im just curious why you think he is solid enough to play CB2 or nickel? Because the Bills traded him away. Had he stayed, he'd have been a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Because the Bills traded him away. Had he stayed, he'd have been a bum. ah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 When an organization has had its roots yanked out and completely redone from the scouting department, trainers, GM, management coaches and players it's natural that there will be resistance, frustration and confusion from fans. People are creatures of habit and there is comfort with familiarity. These guys have the mandate to build this organization from the bottom up the way they they want to envision it. I'm not endorsing or criticizing their decisions until the final product of these actions play out. But what I do endorse is the fact that they are doing it their way. No half pregnant approach, no melding of philosophies, this is all on them. For too long we've had new coaches come in with tinkering of the edges approach. I always thought that in order to turn this organization around that wholesale changes were going to be needed to be made. These guys may fail, these decisions may be terrible, but I will reasonably make my judgement after the decisions play out. I cant be mad at that either, well thought out and reasonable post. I dont want half pregnant but it just seems like their mantra isnt consistent ft I don't disagree with you. However, I'm skeptical of their statements that we are expecting to be a playoff contender, if you are rebuilding from the ground up, tell it like it is. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. That's all. I'll give them a chance, i always do. I have been told this train of thought makes no sense. i want them to say. this roster sucks we need to fix this fix that. we will evaluate and make moves we see fit. i have no problem with an internal implosion. ut dont vehemently deny a rebuild when its OBVIOUS thats exactly what you are doing. You have 1/6 of a grandson? Where's the other 5/6? Lol E is losing it. but somehow i understood it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Please tell me we didn't give up more than a 2020 7th round conditional pick We gave up Kevon Seymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) When an organization has had its roots yanked out and completely redone from the scouting department, trainers, GM, management coaches and players it's natural that there will be resistance, frustration and confusion from fans. People are creatures of habit and there is comfort with familiarity. These guys have the mandate to build this organization from the bottom up the way they they want to envision it. I'm not endorsing or criticizing their decisions until the final product of these actions play out. But what I do endorse is the fact that they are doing it their way. No half pregnant approach, no melding of philosophies, this is all on them. For too long we've had new coaches come in with tinkering of the edges approach. I always thought that in order to turn this organization around that wholesale changes were going to be needed to be made. These guys may fail, these decisions may be terrible, but I will reasonably make my judgement after the decisions play out. And what way is that ? it look like they are flopping all over themselves Lets take Vlad Ducassse , what scouting dept says that he is a credible guard? If you want to blow something up blow it up you don't give old centers 6 mill a year, when Groy was doing just as well ; You don't keep an old DT on his final year at 8 mil when the DL is just as dominate with out him.....yes I'm talking about Wood & K Williams you don't get rid of Reggie Ragland when you keep Matt Milano, Tanner Vallejo really did these two even play this preseason.... when a regime take over they need to have a winning templete. Carolina was a joke they couldn't draft a receiver to save their life and we suppose to think this receiver is the answer. I am to believe that none of the draft picks we had a year ago isn't good because Biily Boy said so. The couldn't keep talent is Carolina or you forget they let Josh Norman walk...There is nothing this clown show can prove to me they understand how to acquire talent. Talent wins not culture or if they were so worried about the 17 yr playoff curse they should have gotten rid of all players that been with the Bills more than 3 years they may be the part of the problem Edited September 2, 2017 by liverpoolkev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 im just curious why you think he is solid enough to play CB2 or nickel? It was a pretty popular opinion around here that once he figured out the vision thing he would be excellent as a man cover guy. I didn't think he'd be elite but I think he is easily a strong contributor for most teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 F5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Either Tate or jones has to go , still look for a wr,lb & or s before the weekend is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 It was a pretty popular opinion around here that once he figured out the vision thing he would be excellent as a man cover guy. I didn't think he'd be elite but I think he is easily a strong contributor for most teamsthats my question though... it all seemed like hope rather than evidence. He was beaten out at Nickel early on by Leonard Johnson. Then he was beaten out for a depth corner too by other guys. He didn't look good, even when healthy. I guess I could understand the opinion if he was a highly drafted guy but he wasn't considered a top prospect at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 It was a pretty popular opinion around here that once he figured out the vision thing he would be excellent as a man cover guy. I didn't think he'd be elite but I think he is easily a strong contributor for most teams it was but he was an overrated camp body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) thats my question though... it all seemed like hope rather than evidence. He was beaten out at Nickel early on by Leonard Johnson. Then he was beaten out for a depth corner too by other guys. He didn't look good, even when healthy. I guess I could understand the opinion if he was a highly drafted guy but he wasn't considered a top prospect at all.I'm going out on a limb and saying that most didn't expect to flip our (young, talented and cheap) secondary completely for a scheme that played to their weaknesses. If we ran a man scheme with respectable pass rush there's no reason to think Darby, and probably Seymour would've been good players for us. There's got to be a bit of whiplash in the fan base Edited September 2, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Yep. He was essentially handed a starting CB spot and failed to even crack the top-5 CB's on the team. Add in the injury issues and they moved him for a guy they think could help them at a position of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 So you trade away a WR, to trade for another one. McRookie. Nailed it. This is Sammy's replacement. Now I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) I'm going out on a limb and saying that most didn't expect to flip our (young, talented and cheap) secondary completely for a scheme that played to their weaknesses. If we ran a man scheme with respectable pass rush there's no reason to think Darby, and probably Seymour would've been good players for us. There's got to be a bit of whiplash in the fan base the poster indicated he would have been a solid CB2 or nickel on this current defense. That's what I was curious about. He certainly did not show that he could be. Perhaps in Rex's defense? We will never know. He only played a little and the rest is history. Edited September 2, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 thats my question though... it all seemed like hope rather than evidence. He was beaten out at Nickel early on by Leonard Johnson. Then he was beaten out for a depth corner too by other guys. He didn't look good, even when healthy. I guess I could understand the opinion if he was a highly drafted guy but he wasn't considered a top prospect at all. You are consistently a beacon of reason here, Yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 @mikerodak Panthers weren't the only team trying to acquire CB Kevon Seymour today. Several teams inquired with Bills late in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 thank you...you go ahead and agree with everything they're doing. I'll continue to disagree... Do you disagree with everything? Maybe we should fire them now? It's inevitable, right? They're obviously going to get this wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Would love to know whaf the other teams that called about Seymour offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Would love to know whaf the other teams that called about Seymour offered. Obviously not as much as Panthers offered. Which goes to show how high we are on Kaelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Dammit, that was extremely well said. I am in complete agreement with Klos63, I am both confused AND annoyed with some of these head-scratching decisions McD and Beane are making, and the fact that they are both newbies makes every decision they make that is not CLEAR cut advantageous for the Bills a WTF moment. They certainly are doing it their way, and there's almost a degree of audacity with every decision they make. I desperately want the Bills to succeed, and I have been on board with the McDermott hiring from early on. But with every decision they make, it's making it increasingly more difficult to remain optimistic for our team's success, particularly this season. Like the majority of us, I will do my best to reserve judgment until seasons end. With regard to this particular trade, I don't like it one bit. Even though Seymour has struggled this year, with injuries as well as some inconsistency in his play, I felt that he was solid enough to man either the CB2 or the Nickel corner position. Clay from what I've both read and seen, appears to be nothing more than a return man/special teams guy....i don't believe he's any more of an upgrade over Tate. I guess time will tell. I am starting to give up or lose the feeling I had when this staff was hired. They have made quit a few moves but none of them addressed our biggest problem which is RT. I was not at all happy to see B.Reilly got cut because it feels like sending Hogan to NE all over again. Now they get rid of Seymour who may have been someone to save our a$$es in case of injury or at least a good nickel.....for who?.......W T F? I'm starting to get less and less hopeful for this season....and it's quickly heading toward the dismay i knew Rex would bring.... Again W T F? This is starting to smell like a good piece of meat that was in the fridge is turning bad....Please God...not again!!!! Edited September 3, 2017 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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