Azalin Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 My only regret is that my computer won't allow me to pelt you with rotten fruit via the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yeah, I deserve that. I deserve Tom's bot too. This is true. But someone had to say it.... This is also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 explain how thay relates to acclimate change please? And show definitive proof that climate change is real. Scientific theory is theory. Scientific fact is fact. There was no dispute the earth is round once proof was established. There is no proof of climate change. A short span in a glimpse of time isn't enough for an intelligent mind. If I drive 87 mph on i85 the whole way to durm. Then I drive 90 for 30 seconds and 35 in the neighborhoods. Does that mean I've been speeding the whole way? Kyrie Irving disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It made me laugh too loud while walking out of a meeting So you were walking out of a meeting and following this ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 So you were walking out of a meeting and following this ****? You know in LA we mean "driving between meetings" when we say "walking out of a meeting". (In this case I wasn't behind the wheel so I was obeying all traffic laws that I'm aware of.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 You know in LA we mean "driving between meetings" when we say "walking out of a meeting". (In this case I wasn't behind the wheel so I was obeying all traffic laws that I'm aware of.) I'm staying behind the Orange Curtain. You LA folks are weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 You do understand it's based on worldwide averages, not just what it's doing in your backyard? Yes, worldwide averages over a sample size of what, 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of history? So probably about the same proportion as his backyard compared to the whole planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm staying behind the Orange Curtain. You LA folks are weird. It's safer that way. But you (hopefully) will make your way to Busby's (in Santa Monica) for one game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yes, worldwide averages over a sample size of what, 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of history? So probably about the same proportion as his backyard compared to the whole planet. You're both focusing on two different aspects of the same argument. The whole point of evaluating the recent warming trend is to predict our future. The same way a meteorologist considers historical trends, but still needs to analyze the current storm track in order to forecast anything meaningful. All that we need to be concerned with is this current storm and where it's headed. Or, if you don't like the storm analogy, then use a happier one. Personally, lightning storms get me excited. But, like I said before, it's all out of our control, anyway. We need to just inhabit another planet soon. That storyline is much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Is Scientific American's analysis of the situation a decent view? Larsen, D pitched a perfect game in a World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Blaming trump for a chunk of ice. well come on man With all that hot air of his..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 * Then there's all the pop-culture references to something hidden down there, from Cussler's book to the X-Files movie to Alien v Predator people have been telling stories about something hidden under the ice shelf for decades now. What's the old saying? Many a truth is said in jest... Also Stargate SG-1 and this classic movie documentary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 "Center of the earth Nazis"....I hate those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It's safer that way. But you (hopefully) will make your way to Busby's (in Santa Monica) for one game this year. I don't even head to my living room to watch the Bills. Why on earth would I head to The People's Republic of Santa Monica to watch them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Also Stargate SG-1 and this classic movie documentary... I shouldn't have missed SG-1 - that's a shameful omission. And I still need to watch Iron Sky! "Center of the earth Nazis"....I hate those guys I don't even head to my living room to watch the Bills. Why on earth would I head to The People's Republic of Santa Monica to watch them? Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 You're both focusing on two different aspects of the same argument. The whole point of evaluating the recent warming trend is to predict our future. The same way a meteorologist considers historical trends, but still needs to analyze the current storm track in order to forecast anything meaningful. All that we need to be concerned with is this current storm and where it's headed. Or, if you don't like the storm analogy, then use a happier one. Personally, lightning storms get me excited. But, like I said before, it's all out of our control, anyway. We need to just inhabit another planet soon. That storyline is much more fun. That's the point. Meteorologists have enough knowledge to predicate the track of a storm that has a lifespan of a week. But recent 'warming trends' don't account for .0001% of the knowledge required to predict climate trends of thousands or tens of thousands of years...aka... "climate change". And yes, it is all out of our control anyway so all this "stop climate change" nonsense is the absolute pinnacle of the intersection between ignorance and hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 That's the point. Meteorologists have enough knowledge to predicate the track of a storm that has a lifespan of a week. But recent 'warming trends' don't account for .0001% of the knowledge required to predict climate trends of thousands or tens of thousands of years...aka... "climate change". And yes, it is all out of our control anyway so all this "stop climate change" nonsense is the absolute pinnacle of the intersection between ignorance and hubris. Climate change has become dogma, a religion. It's definitely not about the science any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Climate change has become dogma, a religion. It's definitely not about the science any more. This is where I agree with you. Take the Asian carp boondoggle. It's amazing what the science dogma is getting away with. I am not slamming science or denying anything... But they are missing the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 This is where I agree with you. Take the Asian carp boondoggle. It's amazing what the science dogma is getting away with. I am not slamming science or denying anything... But they are missing the obvious. "Science dogma"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 "Science dogma"? Don't ask, as I'm shaking my head like the AFLAK duck walking out the barbershop door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 "Science dogma"? Yes. I was using that mash-up with regard to the Asian carp thing. The science is so desparately trying to prove that only way the fish will get in the Lake is by swimming North and there is only one way to solve it. There is a "dogma" when it comes these environmental issues. The one's preaching it are trying to make it seem the science is proving it. This couldn't be more from the truth. I do see the science as being flawed. They aren't adhering properly to the scientific method because the results they are getting is not consistent with their beliefs. It's like John Harrison and the longitudinal problem. The answer is simply right under our noses, yet the "science consensus" refuse to see it because it spoils the long, hard work of others. It throws that work right out the window. I just see how this (AC problem) is being run the last two decades. I am actually siding with you the conservatives and libertarians with regard to these environmental concerns and issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I am actually siding with you the conservatives and libertarians with regard to these environmental concerns and issues. And I hate you for that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Modern progressivism in a nutshell: if you think differently than them, they hate you for it. So much for love and tolerance ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) And I hate you for that!! We are actually running high water on Lake Michigan. First time in 25 years. I found a big ass fish floating when I went to run dam on Thursday. I gaffed him in the swirling water with a 15' pike pole & yanked him out. I was in full freak out mode... Thought it was a silver carp! Anyway, I snapped a ton of pics, before anybody saw what I was doing... ...FF... I work with almost everybody who is an arch conservative. Yes, gov't workers who are pro-Captain Cheeto. If that was a silver, they would tackle me to hide it, bury the evidence. If we find one, it could mean our jobs. They know, I'd have no qualms about packing it up in the Cooler and shipping it off to Michigan or some other place that wants to close us down. I'd have none of that, the truth is the truth. Whatever is found needs to be preserved for evidence, analyzed. Anyway... It wasn't AC... Eyes were above the mouth and structure different. Silver and bighead, dead giveaway is eyes below mouth. Another giveaway, dorsel fin long spine (see below). It was American gizzard shad (basically an 8 pound giant silver looking herring): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_gizzard_shad I have the pics... If I could just be patient enough and get under site limits, I'd compress them and attach. Tiberius... To be fair to the righties on here... There is so much the environmentalist bs that the left is hitching their wagons to. I live in a practical industrial driven world. Things gotta change the way the left is moving on these issues. The environmentalists have hijacked the left. Yet... This is a river 30 short years ago that was dead outside of sludge worms... It is now alive and thriving with 30+ different species... Namely a smallmouth sanctuary... Bass heaven the last few years thanx to environmental stocking efforts and the abundance of round goby (another invasive) and the dreaded zebra mussel. We took the Rambunctious Garden approach to the environmental question and it is paying dividends. I wish the hardcore environmental left would do the same. Edited July 15, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 We are actually running high water on Lake Michigan. First time in 25 years. I found a big ass fish floating when I went to run dam on Thursday. I gaffed him in the swirling water with a 15' pike pole & yanked him out. I was in full freak out mode... Thought it was a silver carp! Anyway, I snapped a ton of pics, before anybody saw what I was doing... ...FF... I work with almost everybody who is an arch conservative. Yes, gov't workers who are pro-Captain Cheeto. If that was a silver, they would tackle me to hide it, bury the evidence. If we find one, it could mean our jobs. They know, I'd have no qualms about packing it up in the Cooler and shipping it off to Michigan or some other place that wants to close us down. I'd have none of that, the truth is the truth. Whatever is found needs to be preserved for evidence, analyzed. Anyway... It wasn't AC... Eyes were above the mouth and structure different. Silver and bighead, dead giveaway is eyes below mouth. Another giveaway, dorsel fin long spine (see below). It was American gizzard shad (basically an 8 pound giant silver looking herring):https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_gizzard_shad I have the pics... If I could just be patient enough and get under site limits, I'd compress them and attach. Tiberius... To be fair to the righties on here... There is so much the environmentalist bs that the left is hitching their wagons to. I live in a practical industrial driven world. Things gotta change the way the left is moving on these issues. The environmentalists have hijacked the left. Yet... This is a river 30 short years ago that was dead outside of sludge worms... It is now alive and thriving with 30+ different species... Namely a smallmouth sanctuary... Bass heaven the last few years thanx to environmental stocking efforts and the abundance of round goby (another invasive) and the dreaded zebra mussel. We took the Rambunctious Garden approach to the environmental question and it is paying dividends. I wish the hardcore environmental left would do the same. I sure hope you don't lose your job! It's too bad that the enviro people go too far, because there are so many simple things that can be done to improve the planet that no one is really doing. Or not enough of. Sure hope they are wrong about the climate change stuff, because the political fallout of just the increased migrations from south to north will be pretty ugly. I do have to admit to having a lot of fun picking on liberal friends for not being environmentally concscious enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 There is a "dogma" when it comes these environmental issues. The one's preaching it are trying to make it seem the science is proving it. This couldn't be more from the truth. I do see the science as being flawed. They aren't adhering properly to the scientific method because the results they are getting is not consistent with their beliefs. There is indeed a dogma held by environmental activists - I completely agree with that. What I do not agree with is calling something 'science' when they do not adhere to scientific method. That's not science, it's just bull$#%@. It's important to make that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 There is indeed a dogma held by environmental activists - I completely agree with that. What I do not agree with is calling something 'science' when they do not adhere to scientific method. That's not science, it's just bull$#%@. It's important to make that distinction. The issue is the environmental wackos all use science as their battle cry when they're being anything but scientific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I think we can all agree that the MMGW fanatics essentially are following a religion. Since we can also all agree that there should be separation of church and state we cannot allow our government to get involved with MMGW in any way shape or form. The Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Accord are and were a violation of separation of church and state. In addition, any funding of the elders (so called scientists) of this religion should immediately be cut and we should make all attempts to have that funding returned to the government. In addition, anyone (George Soros comes to mind) who proposed, suggested or in some way coerced the government into violating the separation of church and state shall be held liable up to 100 billion dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 The issue is the environmental wackos all use science as their battle cry when they're being anything but scientific. No they don't. They use "consensus" as their battle cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 No they don't. They use "consensus" as their battle cry. On the Asian carp front, look up up the guy from THE Ohio State University (or least he was there a few years ago): Konrad Dabrowski. When all this schit hit the fan 8 years ago, he didn't agree with the consensus. You simply don't hear too much about him nowadays. If interested, research him. You will get a good alternate perspective from a man who has been studying the species most of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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