transplantbillsfan Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 You mean that the Bills D was bad? You get no argument from me there. But some people want to put all the blame on the defense and none on our below average pass game. I think it's more about balance of blame between the two than pinning it all on one side, though some posters seem to want to do that. Our defense was record breakingly bad by allowing Ajayi two 200 yard rushing games and Bell another one. 3 losses out of the 5 that really mattered since the last game was a throwaway game. No excuses for that. The D was about as close as almost entirely responsible as you can get in the NFL for the Bengals win. Might have caught a break with one of the best WRs getting injured early. And they were good in the Patriots game against a 3rd stringer, other than that, they were decent to below average to horrid. Yeah, our passing offense needs to get better, but it'd be great to have a D opponents (especially RBs) don't salivate facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Weird logic... so the key to fixing all of our woes is simply passing more? What's weird is that no one ever said this... Does it matter if we're significantly less efficient in the run game? Or if we turn the ball over significantly more? Or, for that matter, end up with a defense that gets worse rather than better? NO... None of that matters one bit.... You really believe it's possible that the fact that we didn't pass more was what kept us out of the playoffs... despite the fact that we averaged 1 less pass per game than the #1 seed in the NFC? I posted Atlanta's worthwhile stats on the previous page (post #105)... In short, they passed for more yardage per pass, and more TD'S... ATL's overall defense was actually ranked worse than ours... Add to that a top 10 run game, and Atlanta was championship bound. Edited June 18, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Bills call a pass play. TT holds the ball, scrambles around,(as he is capable of doing) and either takes a sack or gains some positive rush yards, maybe a first down or even more. Neither of these outcomes count as a "pass attempt." I would guess that TT, as a % of pass plays called, would have amongst the highest rates of "no throws." This is may not be a bad thing if it's because of his running talent and being "ball secure." So, as to the OP, I am unconvinced as to the point. Nice reality check on the whole picture of the passing game. The Bills actually had about 35 passing plays called per game with Taylor at QB. But just under 3 of those plays per game he was sacked for about 4.6 yards per sack and just over 3 of those plays per game he scrambled for 7.9 yards per scramble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 More attempts from a more confident passer might have meant even more TD's... Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?... If we were 14th or 15th in attempts we could have very well won more games... TT pulled the ball down and hauled-azz on many occasions where he could have thrown downfield.... Are we still denying this after last season? Every time someone speaks the truth they get attacked by TT cabana-boys defending their master... What could anyone possibly have against this stat being improved?... smh... Why do people care about this so much? Yards are yards. Points are points. Taylor scrambled for more yards per scramble (7.9) than the vast majority of NFL QBs passed per attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Why do people care about this so much? Yards are yards. Points are points. Taylor scrambled for more yards per scramble (7.9) than the vast majority of NFL QBs passed per attempt. Running the football chews up the clock and when a teams trailing in the 2nd half throwing the football helps conserve time and move the football down the field more rapidly to score IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Why do people care about this so much? Yards are yards. Points are points. No they're not, and NO They are not! So what?! Tyrod scrambles for a quick 7 yards on a 2nd &10... Doesn't see a WIDE OPEN Charles clay for 20! -What good are those seven yards? We didn't get a first down, and you don't know what's gonna happen on the next play...O-line penalty... Bad snap... Now, instead of 3rd and 3 you're 3rd and 15... You think TT throws on that 3rd and 15??? -NO, he hands it off to McCoy, who gashes the D for a respectable 12 yards.... Now it's 4th and 3 on the opposing 40! TT bumped his stats... McCoy bumped his stats... The play went nowhere. Edited June 18, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The best teams on that list range from 13-27..... So that stat means absolutely nothing at all and was not worth a thread obviously.... But... ... How the heck did it get to 7 pages? I guess that's the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The best teams on that list range from 13-27..... So that stat means absolutely nothing at all and was not worth a thread obviously.... But... ... How the heck did it get to 7 pages? I guess that's the offseason. Everyone's a lawyer, either for the Defense or the Prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) The best teams on that list range from 13-27..... So that stat means absolutely nothing at all and was not worth a thread obviously.... What a typical teenage, dirtbag, response... "The best teams on that list" were also highly competitive in several other areas of their offense... They were able to make up for their shortcomings by not being one-trick ponies.... -Which we seem to be... That one stat speaks volumes about who our offense is, and what our challenges are... But... if ignorance is what you prefer... More power to you. ... How the heck did it get to 7 pages? Because of people just... like.. you.... . Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 No they're not, and NO They are not! So what?! Tyrod scrambles for a quick 7 yards on a 2nd &10... Doesn't see a WIDE OPEN Charles clay for 20! -What good are those seven yards? We didn't get a first down, and you don't know what's gonna happen on the next play...O-line penalty... Bad snap... Now, instead of 3rd and 3 you're 3rd and 15... You think TT throws on that 3rd and 15??? -NO, he hands it off to McCoy, who gashes the D for a respectable 12 yards.... Now it's 4th and 3 on the opposing 40! TT bumped his stats... McCoy bumped his stats... The play went nowhere. Points aren't points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 No they're not, and NO They are not! So what?! Tyrod scrambles for a quick 7 yards on a 2nd &10... Doesn't see a WIDE OPEN Charles clay for 20! -What good are those seven yards? We didn't get a first down, and you don't know what's gonna happen on the next play...O-line penalty... Bad snap... Now, instead of 3rd and 3 you're 3rd and 15... You think TT throws on that 3rd and 15??? -NO, he hands it off to McCoy, who gashes the D for a respectable 12 yards.... Now it's 4th and 3 on the opposing 40! TT bumped his stats... McCoy bumped his stats... The play went nowhere. In that scenario, they didn't get any points and they didn't get very many yards. That kind of undermines your argument that "yards are not yards" and "points are not points." What you really mean is "not yards are not yards" and "not points are not points." Which is obvious, but still somehow beyond your comprehension. You see, you can't completely fabricate a hypothetical situation in which the Bills don't score any points and then use it as evidence that they don't score points. It's a fallacy, and it's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) In that scenario, they didn't get any points and they didn't get very many yards. That kind of undermines your argument that "yards are not yards" and "points are not points." What you really mean is "not yards are not yards" and "not points are not points." Which is obvious, but still somehow beyond your comprehension. You see, you can't completely fabricate a hypothetical situation in which the Bills don't score any points and then use it as evidence that they don't score points. It's a fallacy, and it's nonsense. (*yawn*) -Only in an absolute vacuum are points just points, and yards just yards...I rejected that aspect of the OP's statement, right off the bat.... It's a dummy-fied observation that's disingenuous to the dynamic that exists on a football field. I removed the OP's words from that vacuum, and put them in the context of the hair-brained QB scrambles that get you no points at all... That's no fallacy.. That sh*t HAPPENED... Anyway, thanks for agreeing with the basis of my thread about 15 posts ago... Seems you like putting up your fights in reverse.. Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just curious, does that include special teams pros/cons? Like when the bills get a punt received at the 3 and run it back for 40 yards or when the bills punt to the 5 and let someone run for 40 yards? Good idea to consider special teams here. I know Thurm mentioned Buffalo's average starting position vs the opponent average field position. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/puntReturnYards/position/defense Looks like Buffalo's kick return special teams coverage was particularly horrible... 3rd worst in the league First of all, 16th is exactly average. Second of all, field position is a special teams statistic. We had a kicker who couldn't kick the ball through the end zone on kickoffs and a punter who finished dead last in yards per punt in the league (he also tied for first in punts out of bounds and 32nd in longest punt). I am eagerly awaiting the day you blame Tyrod for Carpenter's missed field goals and extra points. Really should have lined up for a 2 point conversion, drawn the defense offside, and then Carpenter would only have to kick a 20 yard extra point instead of a 25 yard extra point. Stupid Tyrod! Actually, I have no idea what would happen in that scenario involving offside during a 2 point conversion and then switching to an extra point. Would be an interesting factoid. Anyway, you get the point. Well, probably not. But, point made. Again... nicely stated. Special teams has really been let off the hook in a lot of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) No they're not, and NO They are not! So what?! Tyrod scrambles for a quick 7 yards on a 2nd &10... Doesn't see a WIDE OPEN Charles clay for 20! -What good are those seven yards? We didn't get a first down, and you don't know what's gonna happen on the next play...O-line penalty... Bad snap... Now, instead of 3rd and 3 you're 3rd and 15... You think TT throws on that 3rd and 15??? -NO, he hands it off to McCoy, who gashes the D for a respectable 12 yards.... Now it's 4th and 3 on the opposing 40! TT bumped his stats... McCoy bumped his stats... The play went nowhere. You're giving a single example that isn't representative of most of his scrambles. QBs passing for 7.9 YPA are passing with great efficiency... you get that, right? 14 scrambles by Taylor were actually on 3rd down. 7 were converted. 50% conversion rate for a QB is pretty darn good. Taylor also scored 4 TDs scrambling on passing plays. These plays aren't the throwaway plays you insist they are. This just wreaks of someone who's ill-informed. Also... You and a couple other posters are being just flat out mean and rotten. You're directly insulting people who are bringing in different sides to the argument. Did you start this thread to discuss the topic or insult people? Edited June 19, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Oh Lord.... here we go again. It's like that game at the fairground.... bash one thread containing a circular Tyrod argument on the head and another one pops up just as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 We were also dead last on completions per game... NE was #6... And on the bottom when It came to passing yards whereas NE was #4... But go ahead and make your argument in defense of dead last... I'm actually enjoying it. The link you posted was passing attempts. "One big dirty stat" as you put it. And I'm telling you that ATTEMPTS doesn't matter. Passing more times and running less isn't going to make the Buffalo Bills a better offense. In fact, it will probably make us a significantly worse team. The best parts of our team are LeSean McCoy running the ball and Tyrod Taylor scrambling. If you want to argue that Taylor needs to get better throwing the ball, I'm with you. I will agree with you 100%. He needs to get better as a pocket passer. He needs to get better using his arm. He needs to get better with accuracy and quick decision making. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. But getting better and more efficient at passing is NOT THE SAME as passing the ball more frequently. And I don't understand why so many Bills fans have trouble understanding this fact. We don't need to become a team that passes all the time to be successful. We just need to get better WHEN we pass the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 We threw the ball more than we passed for a number of reasons: * Our QB was not an elite passer. His accuracy and ability to find open guys were not among the best. * Our RB - McCoy - was elite. When you have a big gun, you shoot it. * Roman was a running game guru. He designed great running plays. * Roman was not a passing game guru. He designed simplistic, easily-defended passing plays. * The guy calling the plays - ALynn - was an ex-RB and ex-RB coach. He understood the run game and was comfortable with it. He was an inexperienced neophyte in the passing game. * Our receiving corps was relatively untalented and banged-up. Yep, TT didn't throw the ball as well as Brady or Brees last year. But that was far from the only reason our passing game wasn't more productive or didn't attempt more passes. It remains to be seen how many of our deficiencies Dennison can fix. I won't judge the 2017 offense until I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 We threw the ball more than we passed for a number of reasons: * Our QB was not an elite passer. His accuracy and ability to find open guys were not among the best. * Our RB - McCoy - was elite. When you have a big gun, you shoot it. * Roman was a running game guru. He designed great running plays. * Roman was not a passing game guru. He designed simplistic, easily-defended passing plays. * The guy calling the plays - ALynn - was an ex-RB and ex-RB coach. He understood the run game and was comfortable with it. He was an inexperienced neophyte in the passing game. * Our receiving corps was relatively untalented and banged-up. Yep, TT didn't throw the ball as well as Brady or Brees last year. But that was far from the only reason our passing game wasn't more productive or didn't attempt more passes. It remains to be seen how many of our deficiencies Dennison can fix. I won't judge the 2017 offense until I see it. but but but TT's got a high QB rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) but but but TT's got a high QB rating Very good point, Shady! I'm impressed..... Also, Taylor does pretty well when throwing to a legitimate No. 1 & 2 receiver - something he rarely had last year, the hobbled, crippled and MIA notwithstanding...... Tyrod's stats in the 15 games where both Watkins and Woods plays : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Edited June 19, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) First you say: You don't win arguments by being snarky and obtuse, sir. Of course, any dimwit-troll eventually says: Can you even read, or do you just kinda guess what people say and then mash your keyboard until you're tired? If you're going to quote me, make sure it doesn't say the exact words I claimed it did. Only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod... I actually thought the site would be a good resource for anyone else to assemble their own stats, and theories for the upcoming season. The thread itself highlighted a passing stat that was 32nd in a ranking of 32 teams.. When coupled with other low-end passing stats, it reveals a situationthat I feel requires improvement... Why? -Because the defense could still be an issue this season... In that event, this team cannot count on an abundance of 4-12, 2-14, and 1-15 pushovers to boost our win total... We will have to out-score good teams... So, to those content with dumping the entire failed season at the feet of Rex Ryans staff, I will tell you that you are 100% not wrong.. I'll also remind you that Rex is no longer here to blame... Don't be shocked if a stat many of you dismiss, comes back to haunt you in a big way. Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) First you say: Of course, any dimwit-troll eventually says: Only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod... I actually thought the site would be a good resource for anyone else to assemble their own stats, and theories for the upcoming season. The thread itself highlighted a passing stat that was 32nd in a ranking of 32 teams.. When coupled with other low-end passing stats, it reveals a situationthat I feel requires improvement... Why? -Because the defense could still be an issue this season... In that event, this team cannot count on an abundance of 4-12, 2-14, and 1-15 pushovers to boost our win total... We will have to out-score good teams... So, to those content with dumping the entire failed season at the feet of Rex Ryans staff, I will tell you that you are 100% not wrong.. I'll also remind you that Rex is no longer here to blame... Don't be shocked if a stat many of you dismiss, comes back to haunt you in a big way. Can you make the typeface any bigger, I am having problems reading it. There are very few who look for an opportunity to bash Tyrod As I indicated, TT has very good QB ratings, yet he still has areas than need improvement, some of which need a vast improvement. (see hondo's post) If pointing out the truth is bashing Tyrod , than all I can say is deal with it. Yes, TT is the best we have. That doesn't mean he is the best at what he does. Playing it safe is why his TO ration is so low. Maybe if he took a few more risks in each game the Bills might have ended the drought As to the Bills Defense - I have posted this dozens of times, at least 3 of the 2016 playoff teams had a defense equally as bad or worst than Buffalo's D. Edited June 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) If pointing out the truth is bashing Tyrod , than all I can say is deal with it. Alot of posters need to remember this as it goes both ways. Edited June 19, 2017 by old school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 First you say: Of course, any dimwit-troll eventually says: I'm a lot more polite before enduring an onslaught of mis-quotes, misinformation, and general douchebaggery. It quickly became apparent that you weren't willing to debate the topic in an adult manner, so I didn't have any qualms mocking your inane obstinance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Alot of posters need to remember this as it goes both ways. While true, I still say that very few here don't recognize what TT brings to the table. Those posters are the ones I have learned to skip over. If some people are unwilling to accept his weaknesses along with his strengths then imo they are fooling themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Very good point, Shady! I'm impressed..... Also, Taylor does pretty well when throwing to a legitimate No. 1 & 2 receiver - something he rarely had last year, the hobbled, crippled and MIA notwithstanding...... Tyrod's stats in the 15 games where both Watkins and Woods plays : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Yeah, and that's a big part of the problem here. Taylor was missing his top WRs in his not-so-deep WR corps more than most teams. Woods and Sammy missed a combined 11 games in 2016. Only the Jets and Chargers had their #1 and #2 WRs miss more games than Sammy and Woods. 2 other teams missed their #1 and #2 WRs 11 games like Buffalo: Tampa Bay and Chicago. None of those teams made the playoffs. By contrast, the 8 teams with the fewest games missed by their WRs all made the playoffs: Detroit (1) NYG (2) Houston (2) New England (4) 5 if you take Edleman, Amendola, and Hogan as a group Atlanta (4) Green Bay (4) Dallas (4) Kansas City (4) Edited June 19, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod... I actually thought the site would be a good resource for anyone else to assemble their own stats, and theories for the upcoming season. The thread itself highlighted a passing stat that was 32nd in a ranking of 32 teams.. When coupled with other low-end passing stats, it reveals a situationthat I feel requires improvement... Why? -Because the defense could still be an issue this season... In that event, this team cannot count on an abundance of 4-12, 2-14, and 1-15 pushovers to boost our win total... We will have to out-score good teams... So, to those content with dumping the entire failed season at the feet of Rex Ryans staff, I will tell you that you are 100% not wrong.. I'll also remind you that Rex is no longer here to blame... Don't be shocked if a stat many of you dismiss, comes back to haunt you in a big way. Dude... look at your 2nd and especially your 3rd posts in your own thread from page 1: Alot of them went into Taylor Savings & Loan... Well, mostly SAVINGS... That's where Tightwad keeps all the wide open guys he didn't hit, and all the plays he left on the field because he was scared to throw. Yah... guys were hurt... The WR corp. was weak.... Still, there were many opportunities TT let sail by... This year's schedule offers little in the way of forgiveness for such mistakes. Bottom line? -Ball's gotta fly in '17. or we CRY in '17... -AGAIN! You're calling yourself one of the worst posters on the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Dude... look at your 2nd and especially your 3rd posts in your own thread from page 1: You're calling yourself one of the worst posters on the board Transplant - this is off topic but I think you'd enjoy this Chris Trapasso article: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/6/19/15829060/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-lesean-mccoy-highest-first-down-conversion-rate-after-sack-in-2016 Didn't feel like making a whole thread for it which is probably the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Dude... look at your 2nd and especially your 3rd posts in your own thread from page 1: You're calling yourself one of the worst posters on the board Haaa. Laughable! So, calling someone a tightwad now is "bashing them"? I only re-iterated what dozens of sports websites already observed. When I said "only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod" I meant the thread wasn't about bashing him at all... And yes, I called out a few of his cabana-boys for overreacting to stats that could be critical of him... This is actually VERY good... I receive similar drama whenever I shine a light on a coach or player with an issue... 9 times out of 10, That player/coach is GONE shortly thereafter... So shoot the messenger if you must... I'm used to it... Just don't whine when he shoots back a time or two... Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) I'm a lot more polite before enduring an onslaught of mis-quotes, misinformation, and general douchebaggery. It quickly became apparent that you weren't willing to debate the topic in an adult manner, so I didn't have any qualms mocking your inane obstinance. You're all butt-hurt because you and Scott couldn't prove your "offense was good enough" bulls#!*-pipe dream... Bu hey, I never asked you to.... I just pointed out that the offense was only good enough when it came to outscoring turrble teams... Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Haaa. Laughable! So, calling someone a tightwad now is "bashing them"? I only re-iterated what dozens of sports websites already observed. When I said "only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod" I meant the thread wasn't about bashing him at all... And yes, I called out a few of his cabana-boys for overreacting to stats that could be critical of him... This is actually VERY good... I receive similar drama whenever I shine a light on a coach or player with an issue... 9 times out of 10, That player/coach is GONE shortly thereafter... So shoot the messenger if you must... I'm used to it... Just don't whine when he shoots back a time or two... Yes. Calling someone a tightwad is bashing him. It's an inflammatory statement. If you really can't see that, I think the next logical question would be: have you graduated High School, yet? There were plenty of other ways to say what you said. Instead, you chose to go the middle-school route throwing out playground insults. Edited June 19, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Haaa. Laughable! So, calling someone a tightwad now is "bashing them"? I only re-iterated what dozens of sports websites already observed. When I said "only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod" I meant the thread wasn't about bashing him at all... And yes, I called out a few of his cabana-boys for overreacting to stats that could be critical of him... This is actually VERY good... I receive similar drama whenever I shine a light on a coach or player with an issue... 9 times out of 10, That player/coach is GONE shortly thereafter... So shoot the messenger if you must... I'm used to it... Just don't whine when he shoots back a time or two... By my tally, 9 times out of 10 the players you love go on to undrafted free agency before a career in insurance sales. Then there are the difference makers that we released that you pounded the table for like Dorin Dickerson and Brandon Kaufmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yes. Calling someone a tightwad is bashing him. It's an inflammatory statement. If you really can't see that, I think the next logical question would be: have you graduated High School, yet? There were plenty of other ways to say what you said. Instead, you chose to go the middle-school route throwing out playground insults. Tyrods white knight is here to joust again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Yes. Calling someone a tightwad is bashing him. It's an inflammatory statement. If you really can't see that, I think the next logical question would be: have you graduated High School, yet? There were plenty of other ways to say what you said. Instead, you chose to go the middle-school route throwing out playground insults. ANY statement some dim-with troll gets a hold of can be inflammatory... if you're offended by TT being called "tightwad", it might be time to change maxi-pads... OR, simply try not posting on "heavy-flow" days. By my tally, 9 times out of 10 the players you love go on to undrafted free agency before a career in insurance sales. Then there are the difference makers that we released that you pounded the table for like Dorin Dickerson and Brandon Kaufmann. Haaaaa! NO WAY! How long have you been biting your lip on this thread?... -Good to hear from you! FYI..Smith to Kaufmann would have been a f*%$ing phenomenon! Edited June 19, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Transplant - this is off topic but I think you'd enjoy this Chris Trapasso article: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/6/19/15829060/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-lesean-mccoy-highest-first-down-conversion-rate-after-sack-in-2016 Didn't feel like making a whole thread for it which is probably the right call. Hap, we're nubes so I understand the hesitation for making a new thread for something like this, but I actually think this link and the 2 articles in the "study" it references actually deserves it's own thread. There are going to be a couple of the (*ahem*) usual suspects who criticize the Tyrod homers for coming out in full force, but I don't think this is a study anyone has really seen or discussed. I'm still digesting some of it myself. I'll come back here to comment on it if you haven't started a separate thread. Thanks! Intriguing stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Oh no yous guys again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Fair, and accurate assessment: http://theteam.fm/2017/01/08/the-great-tyrod-taylor-debate-is-moving-on-the-right-move-for-the-bills/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Hap, we're nubes so I understand the hesitation for making a new thread for something like this, but I actually think this link and the 2 articles in the "study" it references actually deserves it's own thread. There are going to be a couple of the (*ahem*) usual suspects who criticize the Tyrod homers for coming out in full force, but I don't think this is a study anyone has really seen or discussed. I'm still digesting some of it myself. I'll come back here to comment on it if you haven't started a separate thread. Thanks! Intriguing stuff Yeah I just didn't know if the one stat was worthy of a whole new thread. I already know what the thread will become and I'm just tired of it. I'm done with the same old debates. It is interesting to me that sacks obviously did not hurt the Bills' offense as much as Tyrod's critics think they did. I've made a mental note and that's about all I feel like doing this time around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/6/19/15829060/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-lesean-mccoy-highest-first-down-conversion-rate-after-sack-in-2016 "Buffalo Bills offense had NFL’s highest first-down conversion rate following a sack in 2016" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yeah I just didn't know if the one stat was worthy of a whole new thread. I already know what the thread will become and I'm just tired of it. I'm done with the same old debates. It is interesting to me that sacks obviously did not hurt the Bills' offense as much as Tyrod's critics think they did. I've made a mental note and that's about all I feel like doing this time around! Thank you sir. The horse might finally be dead until the jets game ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Fair, and accurate assessment: http://theteam.fm/2017/01/08/the-great-tyrod-taylor-debate-is-moving-on-the-right-move-for-the-bills/ It's certainly not an unfair assessment - to go all double negative. I find it interesting to look deeper at the stats behind this quote : "Now that said, the numbers prove that since Taylor became the starter ahead of the 2015 season, Buffalo’s overall offensive production has increased. To go from 26th in scoring in 2014 to 11th and 10th the last two seasons isn’t an accident." Restrict yourself to the games with Taylor the QB & Anthony Lynn the OC, and Buffalo's scoring ranked even higher. The Bills are then tied for 4th, sharing the spot with Green Bay. Kinda makes you wonder what Buffalo's offense could be with a healthy set of receivers - perhaps a slight improvement at Right Tackle - maybe a dash of stability in the coaching department. Even the most sour Bills fan might develop a sunny disposition then! Edited June 19, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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