DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[row_33]

Mueller’s mad hatter tea party is beyond bathetic now, everyone just laugh at anything he does 

 

 

[Foxx]

Mueller Plagiarizes Right-Wing YouTube Journalist’s Lawsuit Against Podesta in New Russian Indictments; DOJ’s Big Splash Appears Fabricated

 

 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Foxx

[Deranged Rhino]

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https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1018573824458088449

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

This whole thing is an f-n joke. It really is.

 

Do we need any more evidence that this ridiculousness needs to wrap up........... NOW?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

25 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

This whole thing is an f-n joke. It really is.

 

Do we need any more evidence that this ridiculousness needs to wrap up........... NOW?

 

I think the end is near. With the last round of indictments, Mueller has now wrapped up the two main thrusts of the probe (Russian meddling in the election - the first 13 indictments, and 'hacking' of the DNC - these last 12). That's 25 indictments all related to both the FaceBook propaganda and "meddling" as well as the DNC "hacking". 

 

Collusion/Conspiracy to collude with Trump and the Russians, or Trump's team and the Russians was already dismissed by Mueller's own statements (Trump's not a target - his words) and his filings state he's not going to present or argue either of those things with the Manafort indictment: 

 

 

Per the Steele dossier, Manafort was the head of the collusion/conspiracy snake. If Mueller isn't pursuing those charges against Manafort, he's not pursuing those charges against anyone. 

 

In other words, the big prize promised by the left, the MSM, and the Hillary/Obama spokespeople for over a year and a half now - that Trump and/or his team colluded with the Russians to flip the election - will never be delivered.

 

That leaves three possibilities with regards to what Mueller is up to: 

 

1) Assuming he's a "black hat": He's now stalling to drag this out as close as possible (if not beyond) the 2018 midterms which are 15+ weeks away.  

 

2) He's doing what I've been speculating for over two years (working with, not against Trump) and will finish his probe before the midterms and announce Trump is cleared of those primary charges. 

 

* Either of these two scenarios require waiting until we're closer to the midterms for their full impact to be felt. I do not agree with this decision to drag it out (if the rest of what I've uncovered holds true), but I understand the political games at work. 

 

There is a third possibility:

 

3) He has been sitting on a smoking gun(s) for months and will move to indict or prosecute members of Trump's team for serious charges involving money laundering and bribes by the Russian intelligence services. (this is the least likely of the three based on the evidence). 

 

 

Because of the political gamesmanship going on by both sides, I would target mid to late September for this to be wrapped. If either side were to move too soon, it would take away their fundraising ploys. 

[Deranged Rhino]

45 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Hint: The CI probe into Russian meddling didn't begin with the Dossier. 

 

(moving this here to avoid the combativeness in the other thread where this was stated, so we can have a serious conversation - and to keep my response on topic to the proper thread.)

 

According to the FBI, it began on July 31st, 2016 after learning that George Papadopoulos had a conversation with Downer about Hillary's emails (which happened in May of 2016 after Papadopoulos had a conversation with Joseph Mifsud in late April).

 

But the indictment on Friday poses a problem with that narrative that no one in the mainstream caught: 

 

If, per Mueller's indictment, the Russians only tried to hack Hillary's personal email system for the first time on July 27, 2016, why did "Russian cut out" Mifsud say to George Papadapoulos on April 26, 2016 that Russia already had thousands of her emails? And how could Papadopoulos have had that conversation with Downer in May about an event that Mueller says didn't happen until almost two months later?

 

Both of those statements have been made in Mueller filings (and the dossier) - yet they both can't be true. That's a major discrepancy that must be explained for the "George P as the starting point" to be verified. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

 

This doesn't add up. Which should cause most people to question why.

 

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Being as far ahead of the curve on this information, as we have, isn't magic. It just requires time and effort to dig through the muck to find the gold. 

 

 

And Nunes is right here. Everything in Friday's indictment was put forth by the majority in the House Intel Committee and Nunes' memos. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[njbuff]

30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

I think the end is near. With the last round of indictments, Mueller has now wrapped up the two main thrusts of the probe (Russian meddling in the election - the first 13 indictments, and 'hacking' of the DNC - these last 12). That's 25 indictments all related to both the FaceBook propaganda and "meddling" as well as the DNC "hacking". 

 

Collusion/Conspiracy to collude with Trump and the Russians, or Trump's team and the Russians was already dismissed by Mueller's own statements (Trump's not a target - his words) and his filings state he's not going to present or argue either of those things with the Manafort indictment: 

 

 

Per the Steele dossier, Manafort was the head of the collusion/conspiracy snake. If Mueller isn't pursuing those charges against Manafort, he's not pursuing those charges against anyone. 

 

In other words, the big prize promised by the left, the MSM, and the Hillary/Obama spokespeople for over a year and a half now - that Trump and/or his team colluded with the Russians to flip the election - will never be delivered.

 

That leaves three possibilities with regards to what Mueller is up to: 

 

1) Assuming he's a "black hat": He's now stalling to drag this out as close as possible (if not beyond) the 2018 midterms which are 15+ weeks away.  

 

2) He's doing what I've been speculating for over two years (working with, not against Trump) and will finish his probe before the midterms and announce Trump is cleared of those primary charges. 

 

* Either of these two scenarios require waiting until we're closer to the midterms for their full impact to be felt. I do not agree with this decision to drag it out (if the rest of what I've uncovered holds true), but I understand the political games at work. 

 

There is a third possibility:

 

3) He has been sitting on a smoking gun(s) for months and will move to indict or prosecute members of Trump's team for serious charges involving money laundering and bribes by the Russian intelligence services. (this is the least likely of the three based on the evidence). 

 

 

Because of the political gamesmanship going on by both sides, I would target mid to late September for this to be wrapped. If either side were to move too soon, it would take away their fundraising ploys. 

 

Why is Manafort being hung by his balls?

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

Why is Manafort being hung by his balls?

 

My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. 

 

What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner.

That's about it. 

 

Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. 

 

But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo). 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. 

 

What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner.

That's about it. 

 

Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. 

 

But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo). 

When you look at Manafort's history, I guess this is the ONLY conspiracy theory you could come up with to protect Trump. Again, our country, well, mine, not sure its yours, was attacked and Mueller obvioulsy wants to know what happened and who was involved, Manafort is connected to both Putin and Trump, was at the Trump Towers meeting, did a whole bunch of other things for Russians while he was Trump's campaign manager and is a general scum bucket. But ya, Clinton!

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

My contention has long been that Manafort was a plant, sent in to dirty Trump up with the Russian narrative by the DNC through the Podesta Group. My contention has also been that Mueller is working more with Trump than he is against him. I'm open to both of these theories being wrong as more evidence comes to light, but so far I haven't seen anything that's moved me off them, especially the former. 

 

What we know for a fact is the Manafort is being squeezed hard by Mueller. It's reasonable to assume that Mueller is doing so to coerce Manafort into cooperating in some manner.

That's about it. 

 

Many pundits have long speculated that Mueller is trying to coerce Manafort into flipping on Trump and giving up some details about collusion/conspiracy. Possible? Sure, can't rule it out completely - but there are problems with that theory, namely the latest Mueller filing referenced above where Mueller said he's not presenting any of that evidence in his trial. 

 

But if my speculations above are accurate, then what Mueller is really doing is squeezing Manafort for dirt on the Podesta Group and the palace coup. Considering all of Manafort's indictments speak to lobbying, the Podesta Group, and shenanigans with the Ukraine - this is the more likely of the the two possibilities (imo). 

Jesus...the RWNJ's have found their Mark Fuhrman...or was that Strzok?

Edited July 16, 2018 by Buftex

[row_33]

42 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

When you look at Manafort's history, I guess this is the ONLY conspiracy theory you could come up with to protect Trump. Again, our country, well, mine, not sure its yours, was attacked and Mueller obvioulsy wants to know what happened and who was involved, Manafort is connected to both Putin and Trump, was at the Trump Towers meeting, did a whole bunch of other things for Russians while he was Trump's campaign manager and is a general scum bucket. But ya, Clinton!

 

You act so bitter all the time, like someone kicks you in the balls and just when the pain goes away they hoof you again, all the time.

 

anything good in your life?  Something you don’t churn resentment or hate over?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

55 minutes ago, Buftex said:

Jesus...the RWNJ's have found their Mark Fuhrman...or was that Strzok?

 

RWNJ's?

[/dev/null]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

RWNJ's?

right wing nut jobs

 

anybody who doesn't drink the blue kool-aid

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, /dev/null said:

right wing nut jobs

 

anybody who doesn't drink the blue kool-aid

 

Ahh.

[Deranged Rhino]

(singing like a canary from all reports - unlike the Strzok closed door hearings, we've heard nothing from the left about releasing Lisa's transcripts. Wonder why)

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[LaDexter]

The bottom line of the Russia collusion case is this...

 

If you think the Dems should not be allowed to get away with lying and cheating during elections, the US media hates you, and you are "wrong."

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

BECAUSE SCREAM AT THE SKY OMG ITS RUSSIA WAR NEED TO FIGHT CANT SURRENDER NOW

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

(He's right)

[row_33]

Poor Hillary, can't even buy a useful fake Report on Trump

 

and can't get her stooges to cover up this purchase and use of a fake Report either.

 

but wait, the worst is yet to come for Hillary....

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Uh-oh... While Helsinki was happening, Page was singing. 

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Uh-oh... While Helsinki was happening, Page was singing. 

 

 

 

 

Oh will you look at that. ACTUAL election interference.

[Deranged Rhino]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Oh will you look at that. ACTUAL election interference.

 

This also means that Page is turning over emails Strzok refused to. The ones he deemed "personal". 

 

This is direct evidence of the theory I've been laying out for two years. There's only going to be more to come. 

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This also means that Page is turning over emails Strzok refused to. The ones he deemed "personal". 

 

 

He could get another Purple Heart for that.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Mariia Butina, Who Sought ‘Back Channel’ Meeting for Trump and Putin, Is Charged as Russian Agent

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Mariia Butina, Who Sought ‘Back Channel’ Meeting for Trump and Putin, Is Charged as Russian Agent

 

I cant read it where I am (paywall) - but do they attribute the indictment to Mueller or are they open about it being the DOJ separate from Mueller?

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I cant read it where I am (paywall) - but do they attribute the indictment to Mueller or are they open about it being the DOJ separate from Mueller?

If I get in trouble, I'm blaming you. ?
 

WASHINGTON — A Russian woman who tried to broker a secret meeting between Donald J. Trump and the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, during the 2016 presidential campaign was charged Monday and accused of working with Americans to carry out a secret Russian effort to influence American politics.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

If I get in trouble, I'm blaming you. ?

 

You rock.  You can delete all but the first paragraph now (then you're safe). 

 

So, they imply it was Mueller and connected to the 12 Russians - while not reporting it was Liu who worked on the case. And they left out the biggest part - she wasn't working for Putin but his opposition, but details get in the way of the disinformation.  

 

Never change, NYT. Never change. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You rock.  You can delete all but the first paragraph now (then you're safe). 

 

So, they imply it was Mueller and connected to the 12 Russians - while not reporting it was Liu who worked on the case. And they left out the biggest part - she wasn't working for Putin but his opposition, but details get in the way of the disinformation.  

 

Never change, NYT. Never change. 

 

 

Some of the other "news" sites are even worse.

Time is hilarious - Butina, who attended at least two Trump campaign events to ask the then-candidate Russia-related questions... third paragraph linked to a youtube video in red - so you can't miss it.

NBC news  - I'm not sure exactly what they are claiming. She's the Mata Hari of Russia because she liked guns? A bunch of paragraphs in they say she tried to establish back channels with the NRA, but to what end? 

CNN called her a secret agent. The charges were filed by prosecutors from the Justice Department's national security division. (So the best I've seen so far.)

A criminal complaint shows that the FBI obtained Twitter messages and emails between Torshin and Butina in which they plotted strategy and flattered each other with florid prose.

Multiple senior law enforcement officials say Butina was under investigation for some time and was arrested Sunday because they believed she would soon move.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

CNN called her a secret agent. The charges were filed by prosecutors from the Justice Department's national security division. (So the best I've seen so far.)

A criminal complaint shows that the FBI obtained Twitter messages and emails between Torshin and Butina in which they plotted strategy and flattered each other with florid prose.

Multiple senior law enforcement officials say Butina was under investigation for some time and was arrested Sunday because they believed she would soon move.

 

 The bolded cracked me up. Those tweets were all public. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/397332-house-gop-questions-fbi-lawyer-for-second-day

[Deranged Rhino]

Here's a fun thought... 

 

 

What if the DNC/DCCC and Clinton servers were rigged to access the FBI/NSA data inside the CID? 

 

All you'd need to pull that off is a technically proficient contractor with access to all four servers. Does such a contractor exist? 

 

 

Yup. 

 

Huh. They're also the only company that ever examined the server. Might explain why they didn't want the FBI to see it as that would be one of the most egregious natsec breaches of all time, wouldn't it? Also kind of lends some explanation to the timing of the hacking narrative - which began in March of 2016 with the "hacking" of Hillary's emails, the same month Admiral Rogers ordered the audit of 702 quarries inside the FBI and DOJ. The DNC and DCC were hacked in March and April as well. Coincidence, I'm sure. 

 

Was the "hack" story a way to justify CrowdStrike wiping the servers before the FBI could examine them, and thus remove the evidence of their breach?

 

This was always a cover up. 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Getting very interesting. 

 

It's interesting that the good guys painted a flattering picture of Page as things got moving. It seems calculated for effect, and a wise play given the metoo movement etc.  Does the oppo now paint her as a jilted lovah of a humble servant of the people? If she's singing like she seems to be, they have to step it up and try to marginalize her. 

Edited July 17, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Getting very interesting. 

 

It's interesting that the good guys painted a flattering picture of Page as things got moving. It seems calculated for effect, and a wise play given the metoo movement etc.  Does the oppo now paint her as a jilted lovah of a humble servant of the people? If she's singing like she seems to be, they have to step it up and try to marginalize her. 

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Closed-door hearing makes it more difficult, but no doubt they will try.

I am getting the sense we are in end-game here. We should have a betting pool on indictments (real indictments, not the nonsense Mueller is doing) - I'd normally say right before or right after Labor Day, but this is moving quickly, and even though summer (when less people pay attention) it does make me wonder about the timing of all that is going down. 

[Deranged Rhino]

33 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Getting very interesting. 

 

It's interesting that the good guys painted a flattering picture of Page as things got moving. It seems calculated for effect, and a wise play given the metoo movement etc.  Does the oppo now paint her as a jilted lovah of a humble servant of the people? If she's singing like she seems to be, they have to step it up and try to marginalize her. 

 

It is. It shows too how many moving pieces there are. Two weeks ago I would have put my money on Page being withholding and Strzok being the cooperative one, simply because Page was fired and Strzok was retained. When we've been down in the weeds as long as we have on this issue it's tough not to get locked in on certain opinions - but things like this show why we need to always keep an open mind and go where the evidence leads (or, at least I do).  

 

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Closed-door hearing makes it more difficult, but no doubt they will try.

I am getting the sense we are in end-game here. We should have a betting pool on indictments (real indictments, not the nonsense Mueller is doing) - I'd normally say right before or right after Labor Day, but this is moving quickly, and even though summer (when less people pay attention) it does make me wonder about the timing of all that is going down. 

 

I think yesterday's summit was a huge marker. Lots happened outside of Helsinki that went almost completely unnoticed. 

 

This really does seem like it's being timed for the maximum impact on the midterms. The conspirators are trying to drag it out to November and are clinging to the hopes of a blue wave to save them, Sessions/Huber/Trump seem to be willing to let it drag out a bit longer for the political bounce it'll give the republicans in November as well. I wish they'd take the midterms out of it and just get on with it personally, but I understand the logic at work (or at least I think I do). 

 

Mueller's wrapped up two of the three central thrusts of his probe (Russian meddling, Russian hacking) with 25 Russians indicted. That leaves collusion/conspiracy (already dismissed by Mueller in filings) which has morphed into obstruction (which was debunked by the OIG report re Comey). It won't be too much longer. 

 

[Taro T]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Closed-door hearing makes it more difficult, but no doubt they will try.

I am getting the sense we are in end-game here. We should have a betting pool on indictments (real indictments, not the nonsense Mueller is doing) - I'd normally say right before or right after Labor Day, but this is moving quickly, and even though summer (when less people pay attention) it does make me wonder about the timing of all that is going down. 

 

Hoping whatever comes down does so by mid-August at the latest.  Would demonstrate that the "white hats" are looking for justice & not just political retribution.  Coming at the end of September would make it look IMHO like they're more interested in the politics than the results.

 

Totally get that there are a lot of moving pieces here & the FISA report's not even out, but would like to see Strozk & Simpson indicted by then & Mueller wrapping up his probe.  Chips falling wherever they may on that.  

[Deranged Rhino]