Roundybout Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Moving up to take a questionable QB fails way more than it succeeds. And teams will be dumb and move ahead of us to do so again this year. Let them. recently it seems to be working. Titans/Bucs/Eagles all got their guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Moving up to take a questionable QB fails way more than it succeeds. And teams will be dumb and move ahead of us to do so again this year. Let them. I have said 43 times. if they can move away from ten , pick up some picks, i will deal with a QB in the first for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Whaley is terrible at evaluating QBs and you trust him with a 10th round pick on a weak QB class. Draft one in the later rounds. If you draft one at all. It does appear the Bills can neither draft or develop Qb's. Sign a UDFA and draft some friggin football players. Let the new coaching staff work some magic with TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 i don't have the time right now to go into detail, but there are quite a few flaws with the logic in this post. Amazing response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't care about Tyrod. He's not good at passing the ball and he needs to be replaced. Building around Tyrod is as dumb an idea as building around Fitzpatrick. They are QB's that should be bridges to someone better. Would you rather: A) draft a QB at ten who has about a 40% chance of being really good.... Or B) draft a QB in the fourth round or later that has a 20% chance of being really good. That's basically the question. Personally, Id wait on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 recently it seems to be working. Titans/Bucs/Eagles all got their guys. The Bucs did not move up, they already had the # 1 pick. The Rams traded a fortune to get Goff in contrast. Stay put. If a guy you think has it is availble at 10 take him. And be prepared to take the criticism from the same fans saying you had to take a QB at 10 if he doesn't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2017/04/23/maiorana-buffalo-bills-should-avoid-qb-first-round/100813210/ Sal MaioranaVerified account @salmaiorana 6h6 hours ago More Should the #Bills pick a QB at No. 10 overall? I say no way. Here's my column kicking off draft week.... I agree with Sal. I just don't see a QB worth a top 10 pick, and there's no way I'd pass on a sure fire starter, and potentially elite player at #10. Not for any of these QBs, who are all projects. The risk and value have to meet up, especially in the 1st round IMO, and the risk is just too great for me. I know some on here keep saying that his isn't a weak QB draft class. But how often is it that almost everyone seems to agree that there doesn't look to be even 1 day 1 starter among the QB class? If Mahomes or Trubisky are there in the 2nd, I definitely take one of them. Or I'd possibly even consider a low cost trade up into the early 2nd (or maybe even very late 1st) if they love the guy and the price is right, or they're able to trade back from #10 and grab more picks. I wouldn't be willing to give up much though, because the Bills don't have the picks to give up. Even though I don't want a QB at #10, I do feel that the Bills have done their due diligence on this QB class. They seem to have spent some serious time on the evaluation of,every main QB prospect, and that's all I can ask for at this point. So I will ultimately support whatever decision they make. If they don't feel there is a QB worth #10 overall, I will support it. If they do feel that there is a QB worth the #10 pick, I will support that too.... Whatever they do, I'm sure I'll voice my opinion, but I am surely not going state it like a fact as some others do, and sit here pretending I know more than the people who do this for a living and decide that they were dead wrong & should be fired, before we even have a chance to see how the decision plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) regardless of where we take a QB, DW needs a QB in waiting should TT flame out. Otherwise he walks the plank Edited April 23, 2017 by stuvian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) The Bucs did not move up, they already had the # 1 pick. The Rams traded a fortune to get Goff in contrast. Stay put. If a guy you think has it is availble at 10 take him. And be prepared to take the criticism from the same fans saying you had to take a QB at 10 if he doesn't pan out. oops, sorry. Had it in my head that they traded up from lower that year. I must have been thinking of the RGIII 'Skins/Rams trade. Edited April 23, 2017 by GhostsofBillsPast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Yes, I think all of this has been hashed out in the Tyrod Highlights thread. My biggest fear is we will be having the same conversation next off-season. It's a nightmare and we can't wake up from it! We've been having it for 20ish years now...why stop a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Borgia Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 So we're all agreed? If Whaley passes on either Trubisky or Mahomes at 10, then he should be fired before the sun comes up on Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Sal Maiorana has been covering the Bills for 25 years for the Rochester media. he has been covering the Bills for 25 years - miserably. He has found the sports "journalist" "fountain of forever" - just offer a "front-office sucks"for <insert franchise here> article 2-3 times a week without any real research. If that does not suffice, then write that Sabres GM/coach or Bills' GM or coach should be fired because, like 26 of 32 NFL franchises, The Bills are not much different than the majority of other franchises. It takes a LOT of luck to find a franchise QB. Either your team is AWFUL and has a very early pick -AND- there is an outstanding prospect available -OR- you get REALLY lucky and stumble onto a Tom Brady or Russel Wilson in later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 oops, sorry. Had it in my head that they traded up from lower that year. I must have been thinking of the RGIII 'Skins/Rams trade. Yep. And look how trading up for RGIII worked out So we're all agreed? If Whaley passes on either Trubisky or Mahomes at 10, then he should be fired before the sun comes up on Friday?. For some here I don't think firing would be enough. I picture a human sacrifice in front of city hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Would you rather: A) draft a QB at ten who has about a 40% chance of being really good.... Or B) draft a QB in the fourth round or later that has a 20% chance of being really good. That's basically the question. Personally, Id wait on a QB. I disagree with your percentages. Peterman doesn't even have a 20 percent chance at starting, let alone being better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Yep. And look how trading up for RGIII worked out . Worked in 2012 when they went to the playoffs, and before his knee got exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Worked in 2012 when they went to the playoffs, and before his knee got exploded. And ultimately it didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And ultimately it didn't work out. because of the aforementioned knee explosion. Who knows what would have happened if he rested the Seattle game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Also RGIII was more highly regarded than the 4 guys this year. Even more argument to not try and move up this year. Draft a guy at 10 who you think merits a pick at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I disagree with your percentages. Peterman doesn't even have a 20 percent chance at starting, let alone being better than that. In your opinion and there are other qbs.....Webb?......Joshua Dobbs? lets keep in mind you got a entrenched starter for 2 years (I know you hate that but tough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 there is talk that the Jags may also go QB. You can't get cute waiting for QBs to pass unnoticed into round 2 That is going to be the problem this year and the next few I'm afraid...the current Franchise QBs are getting older and need to be replaced soon too. We can't afford to wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 In your opinion and there are other qbs.....Webb?......Joshua Dobbs? lets keep in mind you got a entrenched starter for 2 years (I know you hate that but tough) The only QB I like late in the draft is Dobbs. Kelly doesn't look like he will be drafted because of the injuries on top of the other issues. If he wants to come here as a FA fine. Tyrod is not entrenched into anything. Bills again gave themselves a 1 year out. Why do they keep signing Tyrod to one year deals? If he is as great as people think why can't he get a longer contract than 1 year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Can totally see Coughlin taking Watson. Bortles is terrible. Watson reminds me of Eli. Has some flaws but is a big game QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 That is going to be the problem this year and the next few I'm afraid...the current Franchise QBs are getting older and need to be replaced soon too. We can't afford to wait... You can't afford to be wrong either. Do your scouting and if you like a guy at 10 take him. But don't move up and give away picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I want my team to have higher standards. I want to win a Superbowl. How does drafting pieces around Tyrod help win a Superbowl? It does nothing but spin our wheels for a few years. I am sick of punting on QB. Build a champion. And if Sean the Wrestler and Doug don't have the stones get them out of here and hire someone with a vision and a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I want my team to have higher standards. I want to win a Superbowl. How does drafting pieces around Tyrod help win a Superbowl? It does nothing but spin our wheels for a few years. I am sick of punting on QB. Build a champion. And if Sean the Wrestler and Doug don't have the stones get them out of here and hire someone with a vision and a plan. Those pieces will also be there when our QB isn't Tyrod. It doesn't hurt to build a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The only QB I like late in the draft is Dobbs. Kelly doesn't look like he will be drafted because of the injuries on top of the other issues. If he wants to come here as a FA fine. Tyrod is not entrenched into anything. Bills again gave themselves a 1 year out. Why do they keep signing Tyrod to one year deals? If he is as great as people think why can't he get a longer contract than 1 year? I am willing to bet right here right now that Tyrod Taylor is going to be on this team for at least 2 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Those pieces will also be there when our QB isn't Tyrod. It doesn't hurt to build a good team. The NFL is a fast paced league. If we draft a WR but no QB that just replaces Sammy with a lesser player as Sammy will have no desire to spend his entire career here with no QB. There's a reason why Patriots are adding and we are spinning our wheels. You need the QB in place to attract key coaches and players. I am willing to bet right here right now that Tyrod Taylor is going to be on this team for at least 2 more years. If he is here next year he will have taken another paycut and Sean the Wrestler will be fired next year after 2 years of no playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The NFL is a fast paced league. If we draft a WR but no QB that just replaces Sammy with a lesser player as Sammy will have no desire to spend his entire career here with no QB. There's a reason why Patriots are adding and we are spinning our wheels. You need the QB in place to attract key coaches and players. and if you draft a qb without building the rest of the roster you have the Chargers. winning even less, despite the qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The NFL is a fast paced league. If we draft a WR but no QB that just replaces Sammy with a lesser player as Sammy will have no desire to spend his entire career here with no QB. There's a reason why Patriots are adding and we are spinning our wheels. You need the QB in place to attract key coaches and players. If he is here next year he will have taken another paycut and Sean the Wrestler will be fired next year after 2 years of no playoffs. LOL Even though coaches AND players have had nothing but good things to say about Tyrod Taylor The hate for TT is fan driven...not coach or player driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 and if you draft a qb without building the rest of the roster you have the Chargers. winning even less, despite the qb. There are plenty of pieces for a QB. We spent 2 #1 picks on WR, spent $$ on TE, have a top 3 RB, a top NFL rushing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The NFL is a fast paced league. If we draft a WR but no QB that just replaces Sammy with a lesser player as Sammy will have no desire to spend his entire career here with no QB. There's a reason why Patriots are adding and we are spinning our wheels. You need the QB in place to attract key coaches and players. If he is here next year he will have taken another paycut and Sean the Wrestler will be fired next year after 2 years of no playoffs. So your not down for the bet.....backtracking with the damn excuses already Jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I want my team to have higher standards. I want to win a Superbowl. How does drafting pieces around Tyrod help win a Superbowl? It does nothing but spin our wheels for a few years. I am sick of punting on QB. Build a champion. And if Sean the Wrestler and Doug don't have the stones get them out of here and hire someone with a vision and a plan. You may think it's humorous but referring to Sean the Wrestler makes you look like a 3 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 You may think it's humorous but referring to Sean the Wrestler makes you look like a 3 year old. THis is what he does when his posts get questioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 So your not down for the bet.....backtracking with the damn excuses already Jeff? Why would I bet on whether Tyrod is here or not next year? I can't get inside the heads of the people that run the Bills. Logic goes out the window. You may think it's humorous but referring to Sean the Wrestler makes you look like a 3 year old. So our owner is a 3 year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Why would I bet on whether Tyrod is here or not next year? I can't get inside the heads of the people that run the Bills. Logic goes out the window. So our owner is a 3 year old? And this makes you look like a 2 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Why would I bet on whether Tyrod is here or not next year? I can't get inside the heads of the people that run the Bills. Logic goes out the window. So our owner is a 3 year old? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 There are plenty of pieces for a QB. We spent 2 #1 picks on WR, spent $$ on TE, have a top 3 RB, a top NFL rushing attack. 2 picks on 1 WR... There's also another side of the ball that severely underperformed compared to the offense. Have you watched any Saints games recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 2 picks on 1 WR... There's also another side of the ball that severely underperformed compared to the offense. Have you watched any Saints games recently? I only want to spend 1 pick on QB. That's all I have requested. That leaves 6 (pending decision on MG)other picks to grab zone cover corners, linebackers, WR's , etc Edited April 23, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 picks on 1 WR... There's also another side of the ball that severely underperformed compared to the offense. Have you watched any Saints games recently? Dont you know? Sammy Watkins should be able to split like a transformer.....and become WR number 1 and WR number 1a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Dont you know? Sammy Watkins should be able to split like a transformer.....and become WR number 1 and WR number 1a Chris Godwin. Get him in in rounds 2 or 3 and #2 WR is more then covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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