JM2009 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 How dare you challenge the great Joe Basille's opinion! That person's opinion is just as valid as yours. All the tweets are against a QB at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 That's because it's not stupid. TT is the least of this team's problems. Believe it or not, he's not terrible. I don't care about Tyrod. He's not good at passing the ball and he needs to be replaced. Building around Tyrod is as dumb an idea as building around Fitzpatrick. They are QB's that should be bridges to someone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 In my opinion, everything about Tyrod screams "bridge deal/placeholder" from his reduced deal to the fact that we waited so long to give it to him. It looks like we have a lot less confidence in him than before. I definitely think QB is at least heavily considered at 10, and that there might be something behind all the smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't care about Tyrod. He's not good at passing the ball and he needs to be replaced. Building around Tyrod is as dumb an idea as building around Fitzpatrick. They are QB's that should be bridges to someone better. SMH He is much better than Fitz. The Bills had the least pass attempts in the NFL because they rely so heavily on the run. Taylor has a very good deep ball. He's a good game manager for this offense. 47 TDs, 15 turnovers and 1000 yards rushing is far from terrible. His presence makes the running game better, and they will need that with no MG. I don't care about Tyrod. He's not good at passing the ball and he needs to be replaced. Building around Tyrod is as dumb an idea as building around Fitzpatrick. They are QB's that should be bridges to someone better. He's so bad yet Watkins had a breakout year in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Sal M is one of the harshest critics of OBD. I agree. I like Sal M and am always impressed when he does radio interviews. He is not one to sugar coat anything and is usually highly skeptical of Bills management. I like that he delivers even his harshest opinions in a humorous , non annoying anti- Sullivan type way. It's usually good for a laugh. I Actually take his opinion here as a lack of confidence in Bills management to identify a good QB in a year that is full of question marks at the position. If the Bills hierarchy had earned his faith in other areas, he might be more likely to say pick a guy if you feel strongly about him. Sal is far from a shill for this bungling franchise. Edited April 23, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Defense cost the Bills 4-5 games last season, that needs fixing, draft a QB later in the draft, none are worth the 10th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 I agree. I like Sal M and am always impressed when he does radio interviews. He is not one to sugar coat anything and is usually highly skeptical of Bills management. I'm Actually take his opinion here as a lack of confidence in Bills management to identify a good QB in a year that is full of question marks at the position. If the Bills hierarchy had earned his faith in other areas, he might be more likely to say pick a guy if you feel strongly about him. Sal is far from a shill for this bungling franchise. For sure. he is one of the more harshest critics of OBD in the media. Defense cost the Bills 4-5 games last season, that needs fixing, draft a QB later in the draft, none are worth the 10th pick I agree. A stronger roster and I wouldn't mind one at 10, but too many other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 SMH He is much better than Fitz. The Bills had the least pass attempts in the NFL because they rely so heavily on the run. Taylor has a very good deep ball. He's a good game manager for this offense. 47 TDs, 15 turnovers and 1000 yards rushing is far from terrible. His presence makes the running game better, and they will need that with no MG. He's so bad yet Watkins had a breakout year in 2015. And why do they rely on the run? Tyrod has had two different coordinators and neither had any desire to put the ball in Tyrod's hands as a passer. Roman talked about opening up the offense after 2015 and he got fired after 2 games in 2016. Lynn smartly simplified the offense and kept the ball out of Tyrod's hands as a passer. When Tyrod was forced to throw the ball in close games or in the 4th quarter we all saw the results. Not pretty. if Dennison tries to pass the ball too much with Tyrod he will be the next out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And why do they rely on the run? Tyrod has had two different coordinators and neither had any desire to put the ball in Tyrod's hands as a passer. Roman talked about opening up the offense after 2015 and he got fired after 2 games in 2016. Lynn smartly simplified the offense and kept the ball out of Tyrod's hands as a passer. When Tyrod was forced to throw the ball in close games or in the 4th quarter we all saw the results. Not pretty. if Dennison tries to pass the ball too much with Tyrod he will be the next out the door. You are arguing with a fella who is founding member of the Tyrod fan club. Let it go. I hope he's right, btw, but I think he is abysmally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 You are arguing with a fella who is founding member of the Tyrod fan club. Let it go. I hope he's right, btw, but I think he is abysmally wrong. Yes, I think all of this has been hashed out in the Tyrod Highlights thread. My biggest fear is we will be having the same conversation next off-season. It's a nightmare and we can't wake up from it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 if they have confidence a guy is a bonafide franchise type qb then yeah absolutely they should take them at 10 if available, no matter what else they have at the position. if you end up with two good qbs you can always flip one for at least one 1st and more picks later that position is super over powered in all of sports so you gotta take the premium guys that fall to you when you get the chance 100% of the time all that said, i dont think anyone believes any of these guys are strong top of the draft picks. if youre a team that desperately needs a qb then sure youll take one, but if not its better to wait and take somebody later and see if they turn into gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Because this is the ideal situation to let a rookie sit, since we have Tyrod. Most of these college QBs aren't ready to start ... and we can actually afford to let them sit till they are ready at the moment. Would you rather us draft a rookie QB in a year when we need him to start, increasing the likelihood of his failure? Yes, we have many other areas of need, but this is an ideal situation to take a young QB. Some would point to a better crop next year, we have enough talent on this team to keep finishing around 6-10 - 8-8 ... we are never going to be drafting first overall to get someone like Darnold. Or you could take a Kizer in the middle rounds and take your time grooming him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) Copy pasted from another thread here regarding Kizer. Is he worth a second round pick? Would he be there in the second round? Blokestradamus said: If he makes it to 44, I'd sprint to the podium. Trouble is, I can't see him falling out of the first round (HOU and KC primarily). If he does, like Jeff mentioned earlier, there's a gaggle of teams in the 33-39 range that might pass on a QB early and eye up DeShone at that point. If NYG or OAK want to offer a trade down that nets a 2018 1st and we pick 23/24, crucially before the Texans, I'd consider him. Although the Dolphins might help the Texans out in that scenario to thwart the drafting a QB to their division rivals. I've thought way too much about this, haven't I? Long story short, I'd support them drafting him. I think he's got every physical and intellectual tool required, just needs a little nurturing. Edited April 23, 2017 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Defense cost the Bills 4-5 games last season, that needs fixing, draft a QB later in the draft, none are worth the 10th pick Defense didn't cost us the Baltimore game. Defense got killed when the offense went 3 and out 7 times in a row in the Miami heat. Offense wasn't the reason we won in Cincinnati. The offense and defense each played their part in being an average to below average team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 course of this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Why not go one step further and trade offensive assets (glenn Watkins McCoy clay) for defensive assets. The great thing about Tyrod is that no matter who he plays with the offensive production is the same and comes down to Tyrod making a few plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 QBs are always overvalued in mocks. Always. I don't believe 4 QBs will go in the first 44 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Defense didn't cost us the Baltimore game. Defense got killed when the offense went 3 and out 7 times in a row in the Miami heat. Offense wasn't the reason we won in Cincinnati. The offense and defense each played their part in being an average to below average team. The defense was the main problem in 2016. Bills were up 17-9 in Miami. Up right at the end of the Miami game at home. Defense got gouged way to often on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The defense was the main problem in 2016. Bills were up 17-9 in Miami. Up right at the end of the Miami game at home. Defense got gouged way to often on the ground. Explain how Oakland won 12 games with a worse defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 You are arguing with a fella who is founding member of the Tyrod fan club. Let it go. I hope he's right, btw, but I think he is abysmally wrong. I'm a fan of the best QB available for 2017, and that is TT. The Bills are 15-14 when he starts. Not terrible. That last Miami game should have been a W. Explain how Oakland won 12 games with a worse defense. Go out and get a Derek Carr at the corner store next time your out. And you can throw in their WR corp too. By the way, Oakland is a much better overall team than the Bills. hard to believe I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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