FireChan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://www.cover1.net/2017/03/eye-for-talent-period/ Good article about whaley The same tired non-sequiturs we've heard a million times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 A lot of excuse making in this one. Whaley would be long gone if Tyrod wasn't signed. He's done a bad job with the most valuable position in the league in QB.... the article puts its on Nix and then outline how bad that 2013 QB draft was. It doesn't excuse the fact Whaley simply stopped trying after Manuel was picked. It's was actually a really bad article. Whaley hired Schwartz? No. Schwartz was a "savvy coach who adapted his scheme?" He ran the same scheme he's run his whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 A lot of excuse making in this one. Whaley would be long gone if Tyrod wasn't signed. He's done a bad job with the most valuable position in the league in QB.... the article puts its on Nix and then outline how bad that 2013 QB draft was. It doesn't excuse the fact Whaley simply stopped trying after Manuel was picked. he didnt. he added tyrod, drafted cardale, and probably will draft another this year or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I feel a lot of these people so upset with Doug Whaley are simply jealous he has their dream job. How many players turned their career around once Doug brought them in. How many scrap heap surprises. Be grateful for what he's done and hope he gets better or pound the table for a Dougie snuff film, whatever gets you off. Thanks Dougie fresh this, is a hot take folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's was actually a really bad article. Whaley hired Schwartz? No. Schwartz was a "savvy coach who adapted his scheme?" He ran the same scheme he's run his whole career. well you hate everything about the bills so no wonder you dont agree with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 well you hate everything about the bills so no wonder you dont agree with it The truth about Doug is upsetting, but it's no less true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 well you hate everything about the bills so no wonder you dont agree with it He is disagreeing with the parts of the article that are factually incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's was actually a really bad article. Whaley hired Schwartz? No. Schwartz was a "savvy coach who adapted his scheme?" He ran the same scheme he's run his whole career. Ha Ha Ha - You should just change your screen name too "FireEverybody". You have obviously been at this "fire" people thing a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Ha Ha Ha - You should just change your screen name too "FireEverybody". You have obviously been at this "fire" people thing a very long time. You're catching on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Every message board has a resident baby who cries in every post....I think I identified who that is on these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) That was last season. He went into the 2014 season with EJ, Tuel and Palmer as his QBs before Orton was signed. Rex brought in Tyrod, not Whaley. He's mostly ignored the most valuable position in the league. It's inexcusable. ej was only in his second year in 2014, hard to give up on a first round pick after half a year. maybe they shouldnt have brought in orton. If ej would have played all year then ya the bills would haved sucked but atleast everyone would know for sure ej wasnt any good then they could have moved on sooner and would have had alot better draft pick. Instead we got orton and finished 9-7 cause marrone wanted to save face. And again was whaley not gm when tyrod was added, then it was a move made by him. Edited March 27, 2017 by Pbomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Ha Ha Ha - You should just change your screen name too "FireEverybody". You have obviously been at this "fire" people thing a very long time. You're catching on. Every message board has a resident baby who cries in every post....I think I identified who that is on these boards. More fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 ej was only in his second year in 2014, hard to give up on a first round pick after half a year. maybe they shouldnt have brought in orton. If ej would have played all year then ya the bills would haved sucked but atleast everyone would know for sure ej wasnt any good then they could have moved on sooner and would have had alot better draft pick. Instead we got orton and finished 9-7 cause marrone wanted to save face. And again was whaley not gm when tyrod was added, then it was a move made by him. By that logic, Was Whaley not GM when Rex Ryan was hired? Then it was a move made by him. Was Whaley not GM when Doug Marrone was hired? Then it was a move made by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 By that logic, Was Whaley not GM when Rex Ryan was hired? Then it was a move made by him. Was Whaley not GM when Doug Marrone was hired? Then it was a move made by him. Whaley was not GM when Marrone was hired. Or when EJ was drafted. Or when the Hughes trade happened. Essentially part of the difficulty in this exercise is knowing who exactly has been responsible for what. It is not always as simple as "who had their name above the door?" As Kirby has told us lots of times on here from his knowledge of the organisation the Bills are very collabrative in the way they work inside the walls of OBD. So decisions are rarely made by 1 person that you can point at and say "that was Rex" or "that was Buddy Nix" or "that was Doug Whaley." They are arrived at through discussion and consensus. My personal belief is that the owners should have done more to create a clear accountability and chain of command since taking over, but every move they have made has made things less clear not more clear. For our part we can either mark everything out by timelines or we can try and pick through the evidence we have to understand where the driver for certain decisions was. Either way the picture on Doug's reign is less than complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 By that logic, Was Whaley not GM when Rex Ryan was hired? Then it was a move made by him. Was Whaley not GM when Doug Marrone was hired? Then it was a move made by him.everyone is entitled to their opinion. I always thought marrone was a brandon hire and rex was also a pegulas and brandon favorite. While whaley im sure had input i believe didnt have the final say on either. But that is just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Every message board has a resident baby who cries in every post....I think I identified who that is on these boards. Baby? As in singular? Stick around for a game day thread and you'll change your tune. There's way more than 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 everyone is entitled to their opinion. I always thought marrone was a brandon hire and rex was also a pegulas and brandon favorite. While whaley im sure had input i believe didnt have the final say on either. But that is just my opinion ....pretty sure you are 100% correct.......Marrone called Brandon almost daily after his interview as to status of hiring......Wrecks was Brandon's "Ticketmaster" idea............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Baby? As in singular? Stick around for a game day thread and you'll change your tune. There's way more than 1. Don't judge me by game threads please. I pride myself on being rationale... but in the heat of the moment in the game I am often irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Whaley was not GM when Marrone was hired. Or when EJ was drafted. Or when the Hughes trade happened. Essentially part of the difficulty in this exercise is knowing who exactly has been responsible for what. It is not always as simple as "who had their name above the door?" As Kirby has told us lots of times on here from his knowledge of the organisation the Bills are very collabrative in the way they work inside the walls of OBD. So decisions are rarely made by 1 person that you can point at and say "that was Rex" or "that was Buddy Nix" or "that was Doug Whaley." They are arrived at through discussion and consensus. My personal belief is that the owners should have done more to create a clear accountability and chain of command since taking over, but every move they have made has made things less clear not more clear. For our part we can either mark everything out by timelines or we can try and pick through the evidence we have to understand where the driver for certain decisions was. Either way the picture on Doug's reign is less than complete. The collaborative approach is not a bad approach to take in this evaluative and judgmental type of business. The caveat is that everyone needs to be imbued with the same or similar line of reasoning. As long as there is a coherency within different segments of the organization then the collaborative approach is a good business model and environment to work within. As you well know the problem is when there is a conflict between the factions (front office and coaching staff). That was clearly evident between the Ryan and Whaley factions. A franchise being tugged in different directions is a recipe for failure. I get the sense that Pegula was instrumental in the hiring of McDermott as it was with the Rex hire. As an owner that is his right. But that doesn't mean that from an organizational standpoint it was the right approach to take. After the Ryan fiasco Pegula should have learned that the GM has to be enthusiastically on board with the coaching hire. If that isn't the case here then what does it tell you? It tells me that the owner doesn't think too highly what the GM really thinks. If that is the reality then it is an ominous sign for the GM's job status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 The collaborative approach is not a bad approach to take in this evaluative and judgmental type of business. The caveat is that everyone needs to be imbued with the same or similar line of reasoning. As long as there is a coherency within different segments of the organization then the collaborative approach is a good business model and environment to work within. As you well know the problem is when there is a conflict between the factions (front office and coaching staff). That was clearly evident between the Ryan and Whaley factions. A franchise being tugged in different directions is a recipe for failure. I get the sense that Pegula was instrumental in the hiring of McDermott as it was with the Rex hire. As an owner that is his right. But that doesn't mean that from an organizational standpoint it was the right approach to take. After the Ryan fiasco Pegula should have learned that the GM has to be enthusiastically on board with the coaching hire. If that isn't the case here then what does it tell you? It tells me that the owner doesn't think too highly what the GM really thinks. If that is the reality then it is an ominous sign for the GM's job status. To be fair, the narrative out of OBD in season was that Doug had assumed protected status by the Pegulas and they trusted him implicitly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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