YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Then why only one pick? I want no part of him until late in the second.and it was thrown right to him. I've probably been to hard on him. But still, I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What is the pre draft grade on Hairston btw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Who? Who, who, hoo, hoo. It's a new day, yes it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 What is the pre draft grade on Hairston btw ? http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nate-hairston?id=2558108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 and it was thrown right to him. I've probably been to hard on him. But still, I'll pass. I'm with you. if you are that special of an athlete, production should follow. it's why I'm weary of of Howard, obi, and peppers from this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 "Swing for the fences" is a cute yet meaningless phrase. Having a big arm and a gunslinger's mentality is about 15% of what being an NFL QB calls for. Thanks to Yolo for setting me straight. I'm fine with having a chat with Chad as long as it doesn't prevent us from interviewing a legitimate prospect. one thing to keep in mind is that if a team is seriously considering using a draft pick on a WR - in this case Engram or Stringfellow for example - and they want more insight into their strengths/weaknesses/route running etc they may use a visit on the QB even if they don't plan to draft the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) I'm with you. if you are that special of an athlete, production should follow. it's why I'm weary of of Howard, obi, and peppers from this class. Howard just rarely had his number called by Kiffin, and he's earning points among NFL teams because he never complained about his inclusion (or lack thereof) in the offense. He's a team-first guy and definitely has the ability to be a special player. Edited March 20, 2017 by blacklabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 @RapSheet #Bama LT Cam Robinson, one of the draft’s top tackles, is on a visit with #Panthers today. Was in Buffalo last week, has #Jaguars coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 @draftdiamonds #Ravens #Bills and #Saints all have visits lined up with Derek Rivers the Youngstown State pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 @draftdiamonds #Ravens #Bills and #Saints all have visits lined up with Derek Rivers the Youngstown State pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecknwings Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Only one I've seen so far that counts against the 30 is Hairston. Others were meets at the Senior Bowl, East-West Game and Combine I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Only one I've seen so far that counts against the 30 is Hairston. Others were meets at the Senior Bowl, East-West Game and Combine I think.Hairston, Rivers, and Robinson so far (from what I can tell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 @RapSheet #Bama LT Cam Robinson, one of the draft’s top tackles, is on a visit with #Panthers today. Was in Buffalo last week, has #Jaguars coming up Is anyone else, besides me, leery of Alabama offensive linemen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Howard just rarely had his number called by Kiffin, and he's earning points among NFL teams because he never complained about his inclusion (or lack thereof) in the offense. He's a team-first guy and definitely has the ability to be a special player. I hear you. I'm just leery of these guys. College is exactly the place where players can get by on athletic talent alone there should be production there if they are that good of a player. Howard has all the measurables and might have a great attitude but I just don't know about spending a top 10 pick on someone who didn't produce in college and then hoping they produce against better competition. I can't think of guys that were athletic freaks and had little production in college that then became great pros. I'm open to having my mind changed though if people have examples. It happens in basketball but I don't know of it happening in the NFL. For me top 10 needs production and measurables to be in line. If Peppers was a top 10 pick I would have liked to see a Charles Woodson type college career. If Howard was as dominant as he is touted I would think Saban would have made Kiffin use him. Especially with the shoddy QB play they had. Obi I am less against as he is talked about as a 2nd rounder. That is where I would take guys with measureables and HOPE I can get production out of them. Peppers at 10 and I'd be bummed, Peppers at 41 and I'll hope he turns into something and see why they grabbed him. Does any of that make sense lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I hear you. I'm just leery of these guys. College is exactly the place where players can get by on athletic talent alone there should be production there if they are that good of a player. Howard has all the measurables and might have a great attitude but I just don't know about spending a top 10 pick on someone who didn't produce in college and then hoping they produce against better competition. I can't think of guys that were athletic freaks and had little production in college that then became great pros. I'm open to having my mind changed though if people have examples. It happens in basketball but I don't know of it happening in the NFL. For me top 10 needs production and measurables to be in line. If Peppers was a top 10 pick I would have liked to see a Charles Woodson type college career. If Howard was as dominant as he is touted I would think Saban would have made Kiffin use him. Especially with the shoddy QB play they had. Obi I am less against as he is talked about as a 2nd rounder. That is where I would take guys with measureables and HOPE I can get production out of them. Peppers at 10 and I'd be bummed, Peppers at 41 and I'll hope he turns into something and see why they grabbed him. Does any of that make sense lol Makes plenty of sense. I would not take Howard at 10, because there are other very good Tight Ends in this class that you can get later. I like Peppers, and would be fine if the Bills picked him, but not at 10. If we traded down and picked him later in the first round, that would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is anyone else, besides me, leery of Alabama offensive linemen?I am leery of all Bama players because they are tough to project due to the team depth. I also am leery of FSU and Texas for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is anyone else, besides me, leery of Alabama offensive linemen?I try to judge every player on their own merit. It isn't fair to have other guys influence your feelings on someone completely different. With that being said, I am not a fan of Cam Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Looks like Whaley hiding his love for Kizer. You're not fooling anyone Doug! Man, I hope he doesn't like Kizer. The QBs they've met with look like the right ones to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I hear you. I'm just leery of these guys. College is exactly the place where players can get by on athletic talent alone there should be production there if they are that good of a player. Howard has all the measurables and might have a great attitude but I just don't know about spending a top 10 pick on someone who didn't produce in college and then hoping they produce against better competition. I can't think of guys that were athletic freaks and had little production in college that then became great pros. I'm open to having my mind changed though if people have examples. It happens in basketball but I don't know of it happening in the NFL. For me top 10 needs production and measurables to be in line. If Peppers was a top 10 pick I would have liked to see a Charles Woodson type college career. If Howard was as dominant as he is touted I would think Saban would have made Kiffin use him. Especially with the shoddy QB play they had. Obi I am less against as he is talked about as a 2nd rounder. That is where I would take guys with measureables and HOPE I can get production out of them. Peppers at 10 and I'd be bummed, Peppers at 41 and I'll hope he turns into something and see why they grabbed him. Does any of that make sense lol I'm pickin' up what you're layin' down, haha. I'm just saying I think Howard's lack of production comes from design. It seems like they kept him in their back pocket and cut him loose only at certain times. He blew up during the National Championship. Also no clue how the QB is down there, I've heard he's not bad but who knows how often he was looking in Howard's direction. I understand the hesitation but for me, the guy has all the tools and I don't see any reason why he can't succeed. Taking him at 10 wouldn't be ideal because I believe he'll be there after that but you never know. I'm definitely on board with them dropping back and collecting some more picks. Looking at the draft order though, I'm not sure who would want to jump up to that 10 spot. As for Peppers, I can see if the Bills like him due to his versatility but more than a few scouts and analysts have said he's a head-scratcher because the Combine didn't help them determine his best position. He's a guy I wouldn't want at 10 for sure, just because of the uncertainty of where he's going to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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