YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) @cutondime25 @PFF u guys suck ... a bunch of nerds who never played a lick of football in your whole life. PFF released its list of Top 101 players of 2016 and no LeSean McCoy. They explained that it was because he was bad pass at blocking. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-10-big-name-players-that-didnt-make-pffs-top-101/ Psst - he's really, really good at running the ball. He's a running back not an OT. Edited February 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 He needs to just shut up and not worry about this stuff. Who cares???? NOBODY. He's a good rb but he is still an immature child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 He's right. PFF rankings are pure silliness. Just look at the reasons that guys are left off the list; they're pure rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) yes because pass blocking for your qb doesnt matter at all. Another example of the headcase crying because he isnt fawned over and named number 1 back in the nfl. I miss Fred and thurman, real leaders and complete RB's. Fred became a number 1 back being slow and old but he still broke long ones due to his power and smooth style and vision. Shady breaks alot of runs with moves, but gets caught for 5 yard losses running around like spiller used to, then gives up sacks and acts like those werent on him. He also gets caught on long runs before the endzone often, the kind fred used to unbelievably finish even with his slowness. Shady should just invite those nerds to a club and kick them all in the head once they pass out after their first beers. Edited February 14, 2017 by re enlightener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) yes because pass blocking for your qb doesnt matter at all. Another example of the headcase crying because he isnt fawned over and named number 1 back in the nfl. I miss Fred and thurman, real leaders and complete RB's. Fred became a number 1 back being slow and old but he still broke long ones due to his power and smooth style and vision. Shady breaks alot of runs with moves, but gets caught for 5 yard losses running around like spiller used to, then gives up sacks and acts like those werent on him. He also gets caught on long runs before the endzone often, the kind fred used to unbelievably finish even with his slowness. Shady should just invite those nerds to a club and kick them all in the head once they pass out after their first beers. This is one of the worst posts of all time. He gets caught for 5 yard losses like Spiller used to? How often does this happen? Maybe once a season or less. You just made that up. You obviously have an agenda. Edited February 14, 2017 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 He's right. PFF rankings are pure silliness. Just look at the reasons that guys are left off the list; they're pure rubbish. He's absolutely right. I've seen the guidelines PFF provides to their "experts" in grading game tape (hint: you don't need to know too much about football). I like it when Shady has a chip on his shoulder, though...a Shady who feels spurned is a motivated Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 He's absolutely right. I've seen the guidelines PFF provides to their "experts" in grading game tape (hint: you don't need to know too much about football). I like it when Shady has a chip on his shoulder, though...a Shady who feels spurned is a motivated Shady. I just came here to post this myself. He thrives on this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I just came here to post this myself. He thrives on this stuff Yep. Some off duty cops are gonna pay! (I keed, I keed...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 @cutondime25 @PFF u guys suck ... a bunch of nerds who never played a lick of football in your whole life. PFF released its list of Top 101 players of 2016 and no LeSean McCoy. They explained that it was because he was bad pass at blocking. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-10-big-name-players-that-didnt-make-pffs-top-101/ Psst - he's really, really good at running the ball. He's a running back not an OT. This is basically his way of saying " you". He's not crying about it, his statement is his way of flipping the bird. I do like it when people do things to piss him off and give him that added motivation for the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 yes because pass blocking for your qb doesnt matter at all. Another example of the headcase crying because he isnt fawned over and named number 1 back in the nfl. I miss Fred and thurman, real leaders and complete RB's. Classic Bills fan logic: forget the premier back that's been near the top of the NFL for his entire career...give me the career backup former arena leaguer! Shady breaks alot of runs with moves, but gets caught for 5 yard losses running around like spiller used to, then gives up sacks and acts like those werent on him. Nope...he had the 10th highest success rate in the NFL last year http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb He also gets caught on long runs before the endzone often, the kind fred used to unbelievably finish even with his slowness. Can you name 1 such run from 2016? Please don't try to cite the Rams' game where Felton got in his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 This is basically his way of saying " you". He's not crying about it, his statement is his way of flipping the bird. I do like it when people do things to piss him off and give him that added motivation for the field. yep! Too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I love this. Please keep telling McCoy he's washed up, world. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 yes because pass blocking for your qb doesnt matter at all. Another example of the headcase crying because he isnt fawned over and named number 1 back in the nfl. I miss Fred and thurman, real leaders and complete RB's. Fred became a number 1 back being slow and old but he still broke long ones due to his power and smooth style and vision. Shady breaks alot of runs with moves, but gets caught for 5 yard losses running around like spiller used to, then gives up sacks and acts like those werent on him. He also gets caught on long runs before the endzone often, the kind fred used to unbelievably finish even with his slowness. Shady should just invite those nerds to a club and kick them all in the head once they pass out after their first beers. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you seriously saying that Fred Jackson is a better RB than LeSean McCoy? You, sir, are delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The only ranking I care about are the final standings, and team playoff success. I couldn't care less where Shady wants to be ranked or where PFF wants to rank our guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) He needs to just shut up and not worry about this stuff. Who cares???? NOBODY. He's a good rb but he is still an immature child. you really can not blame him, to a degree. yes, maybe he should ignore the stuff but who else is. you can blame it on social media/media/forums/technology, the 21st century. it is what it is and trust me, it's not going to slow down... Edited February 14, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Too much enlightenment. Always with the embarrassing takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Literally anyone can be an "analyst" for PFF. Shady does need to improve his pass pro though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Literally anyone can be an "analyst" for PFF. Shady does need to improve his pass pro though.sure, and he'd probably agree. Still think he could crack the top 101 on everything else he brings to the table as a Running Back I wonder where he will be on the NFL top 100 list that the players vote on, where they have the reveal shows each week on NFLN. I think one year he was as high as 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 sure, and he'd probably agree. Still think he could crack the top 101 on everything else he brings to the table as a Running Back I wonder where he will be on the NFL top 100 list that the players vote on, where they have the reveal shows each week on NFLN. I think one year he was as high as 5. He should be. I don't really buy into PFF. Like most players say, there is no way to know what a specific play was SUPPOSED to do. If Shady is supposed to chip or bump a defender on his way out to the flat as part of the play, are the PFF "analysts" counting that as a poor block? We don't know because who the heck is going to go re-watch all that film and dispute their analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 yes because pass blocking for your qb doesnt matter at all. Another example of the headcase crying because he isnt fawned over and named number 1 back in the nfl. I miss Fred and thurman, real leaders and complete RB's. Fred became a number 1 back being slow and old but he still broke long ones due to his power and smooth style and vision. Shady breaks alot of runs with moves, but gets caught for 5 yard losses running around like spiller used to, then gives up sacks and acts like those werent on him. He also gets caught on long runs before the endzone often, the kind fred used to unbelievably finish even with his slowness. Shady should just invite those nerds to a club and kick them all in the head once they pass out after their first beers. Most of those were because Felton has Gillislee on his fantasy team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 you really can not blame him, to a degree. yes, maybe he should ignore the stuff but who else is. you can blame it on social media/media/forums/technology, the 21st century. it is what it is and trust me, it's not going to slow down... It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you seriously saying that Fred Jackson is a better RB than LeSean McCoy? You, sir, are delusional. I reread twice because I kept thinking it was saying that too.... still can't figure out which sentence I'm misreading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no. I agree. This team doesn't have enough leadership and is full of "me first" type players. Then everyone wonders why we can't even sniff the playoffs. Edited February 15, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 If I am remembering correctly, Shady did not seem to be giving enough effort in blitz pickup early last season and he got called out for it. But then from that moment on (still early in the season), he sold out. I can remember many solid pickups on his part after that. Maybe PFF is basing it on just those early games or worse yet, just remembering the talk about it early last season and assuming it continued. I mean Shady is no Fred Jackson when it comes to blocking (Fred bruised people bad), but I don't think Shady's blocking was a liability either (once he sold out), at least not enough to diminish what he did as a runner/receiver. For instance, PFF ranked Jay Ajayi as the 31st best player in the NFL: Player Total rush atts/rec targets Yards from scrimmage TDs 1st Downs AVGs. J. Ajayi 294 1,423 8 68 4.9 rush/5.6 rec L. McCoy 291 1,623 14 73 5.41 rush/7.1 rec So, in 3 less overall attempts than Ajayi, Shady had 200 yards more, 6 more TDs, 5 more 1st downs, and better averages. Yet, Ajayi is #31 and Shady isn't even on the list? Because of his blocking? Yeah right. I wonder how good Ajayi's blitz pickup is? I couldn't find any stats on that. He's a bigger back, so he's probably better...but how many times was he asked to do it? How did he fare? PFF notes that Shady had the lowest grade, but doesn't give any reference to what other RBs grades were. Shady apparently gave up 13 QB pressures over the course of the season, no sacks. Do 13 QB pressures (out of 92 blocks) really cancel out his stats? I also find it interesting that only 4 RBs made the top 101 at all (Elliot #22, Johnson #23, Bell #27, and Ajayi #31---that's it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I wonder how good Ajayi's blitz pickup is? I couldn't find any stats on that. He's a bigger back, so he's probably better...but how many times was he asked to do it? How did he fare? PFF notes that Shady had the lowest grade, but doesn't give any reference to what other RBs grades were. Shady apparently gave up 13 QB pressures over the course of the season, no sacks. Do 13 QB pressures (out of 92 blocks) really cancel out his stats? Since we get weekly PFF previews and post-game analysis, I can tell you that after Week 16, Ajayi had 0 sacks, 1 QB hit, 3 hurries to his name. Don't know how his Week 17 fared though. Ajayi was asked to pass block on 62 snaps. His pass block grade was 58.0, in comparison to Shady's 37.1. Shady's 92 pass pro snaps were the 5th-highest number of any back in the entire NFL. Other notable RB pass pro grades - Bell (81.7), Elliott (60.1), D Johnson (63.4), Gordon (77.6), Howard (80.7). Jonathan Stewart had the highest grade of 85.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no.That is just completely false. Moss and Revis are the first two that come to mind but I'm sure there are many more. Remember toms email comparing himself to manning? Please. Yes, they are great. But let's not get out of control. They have Brady and Bill B, the rest is just noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no.Matt Patricia very publically wore a shirt as he got off the plane from the SB depicting the NFL commissioner as a clown. They just won the championship but he can't let go that they were caught cheating. Grow up, indeed. Edited February 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 What a waste of his time to care or regard them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 What a waste of his time to care or regard them Many top athletes seek out this type of stuff for extra motivation. It's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Many top athletes seek out this type of stuff for extra motivation. It's nothing new.but they don't engage the messenger. Its a waste of energy and focus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 but they don't engage the messenger. Its a waste of energy and focus What's he supposed to focus on in February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 What's he supposed to focus on in February?duke basketball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbiant Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The irony is that one could argue that Atlanta lost the superbowl because Freeman missed a block and allowed Ryan to be sacked. (One of the many plays anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no. You should google Michael Jordan manufactured up sleights. Someone could say he was "one of the best players" to do something and he would get worked up over not being acknowledged simply as "the best". This has nothing to do with growing up, although it does expose a bias you have against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Since we get weekly PFF previews and post-game analysis, I can tell you that after Week 16, Ajayi had 0 sacks, 1 QB hit, 3 hurries to his name. Don't know how his Week 17 fared though. Ajayi was asked to pass block on 62 snaps. His pass block grade was 58.0, in comparison to Shady's 37.1. Shady's 92 pass pro snaps were the 5th-highest number of any back in the entire NFL. Other notable RB pass pro grades - Bell (81.7), Elliott (60.1), D Johnson (63.4), Gordon (77.6), Howard (80.7). Jonathan Stewart had the highest grade of 85.3. Thanks for the info Blokestradamus. That definitely helps to build a better picture, and not in LeSean's favor because 37.1 looks pretty bad next to 60-80. But I still wonder how big of an impact it is. I'm not saying pass blocking isn't an extremely important part of playing the position...the Super Bowl alone pointed that out, as did having C.J. Spiller on our team, but did Shady's low score prove to be a big enough detriment to his team to warrant not including him on the list? If Ajayi had a clean week 17, then prorated out to Shady's 92 pass pro snaps (with McCoy's 13 QB pressures allowed), Jay would have 6 QB pressures (and/or hits) against him. So that equates to Shady giving up 1 more QB pressure than Ajayi every 2-1/4 games. Again, I'm not saying that is insignificant, but is that really enough to downgrade him from like 30th (slightly better stats than Ajayi at 31) to about 103 (if he was indeed one of the guys that just missed cracking the list)? Maybe, if they were all important plays that turned a game (e.g., the pressure causing an interception or keeping the team from scoring). How did those 7 more pressures across a 16-game season affect his team. Were any of those passes completed despite the pressure? How much did the pressure affect the play? It just seems like a fairly ambiguous statistic to use to downgrade him that much. If he had given up a handful of sacks, I could understand it a bit more. But, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) He needs to just shut up and not worry about this stuff. Who cares???? NOBODY. He's a good rb but he is still an immature child.Don't know you seem to be doing the same thing as him right now. Don't worry he will be in the NFL top 100 Edited February 16, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Matt Patricia very publically wore a shirt as he got off the plane from the SB depicting the NFL commissioner as a clown. They just won the championship but he can't let go that they were caught cheating. Grow up, indeed. It's time for him to grow up. I understand your point but he needs to show some leadership. Nobody cares about this and in a week no one will remember who is on the list. Set an example for your team mates and demonstrate that all you want to do is win and not worry about your numbers or recognition. Could you ever imagine any Patriot player reacting to this silly ranking? The answer is no. See Comment above. Use Burn Heal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I agree. This team doesn't have enough leadership and is full of "me first" type players. Then everyone wonders why we can't even sniff the playoffs. Well said! Rex made it worse unfortunately Matt Patricia very publically wore a shirt as he got off the plane from the SB depicting the NFL commissioner as a clown. They just won the championship but he can't let go that they were caught cheating. Grow up, indeed. Not sure what one has to do with the other but ok See Comment above. Use Burn Heal Patriots player McFly! Don't know you seem to be doing the same thing as him right now. Don't worry he will be in the NFL top 100 First of all I'm not a player, I'm a sad fan commenting on a web site, secondly I am not attacking someone elses opinion of my performance. So no I am not doing the same thing as he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Patriots player McFly! I could say Aaron Hernandez. I could say Randy Moss but Ill avoid disrespecting Moss by puttin them in the same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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