Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Sadly, it actually is over. In no way, and on no planet, is it over. Today is a shift in the (dis)information war, not an end. And the shift is demonstrably towards truth, disclosure, and yes, justice. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Flight finally cleared. Headed off into the great blue yonder with more reading to do. Be well, PPP 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Gary Busey said: I swear I am JA - I swear We’ll sweet ***** Buffalo Bill. If you’re JA, then what the ***** are you wasting time here for? You got a game to prepare for. You’re going to face the Pissburg Stealer’s really tough defense and you’re not studying your game plan? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 And this is what it's all about. They rigged the court to spy on an innocent American (who was a CIA asset FIGHTING Russians), smeared him in public as a Russian agent in order to get a warrant -- not to spy on him, but his boss MONTHS after he left the campaign. That's not bias. That's not just illegal. That's a coup. Pay no mind to those saying this report was nothing. They're lying because they are complicit in pushing a lie on the American people for money and status for THREE YEARS. ***** each and every last one of them -- and their enablers. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4merper4mer Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: And this is what it's all about. They rigged the court to spy on an innocent American (who was a CIA asset FIGHTING Russians), smeared him in public as a Russian agent in order to get a warrant -- not to spy on him, but his boss MONTHS after he left the campaign. That's not bias. That's not just illegal. That's a coup. Pay no mind to those saying this report was nothing. They're lying because they are complicit in pushing a lie on the American people for money and status for THREE YEARS. ***** each and every last one of them -- and their enablers. The report isn't nothing, but it is written so that people can call it nothing. That is on purpose by lap dog Horowitz. Nothing, however, is EXACTLY what will be done with the report. Not a thing. Up next, Beardy McGee and his cornucopia of strongly worded letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Treason fit him like a well tailored suit his whole life. History won't be kind to him. (nor should it be) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Adams Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Another JA/Gary/Tibs narrative gets killed (again) Never went to Prague. If he never went to Prague, the entire hacking/collusion story goes bye-bye... yet they got several renewals after this was disproven. Why? Because this wasn't about stopping Trump/Russia. It was about overthrowing a legally elected POTUS because they disagreed with the peoples' vote. Making up more stories about me. I'll yet again challenge you to link me to where I said I thought Steele was credible. You will again run away. I've got i think 6-7 link challenges pending for you. Your narratives about me look more fictional every day. This report really got you down eh? Cracking a bit? 13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Flight finally cleared. Headed off into the great blue yonder with more reading to do. This board is all about you. Please let us know when you take your morning constitutional. We need up to the minute updates on your life. You matter DR! Edited December 10, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: conflict of interest, you can't/shouldn't be allowed to investigate yourself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Were Ivanka and Steele an item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Hedge said: This calls for the appointment of an independent Special Council to fully investigate this and other unspecified matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 My takeaway is that the entire thing is like a caste system. Certain people/types are allowed certain privileges based on their standing in the system. Hillary for example, is on the top of the food chain and can literally do anything. She can hide her correspondence from view, regardless of law or the care she takes with it. If "caught", it doesn't matter. A lower member of the system, in this case lap dog Comey, sweeps it under the rug. This is all oversimplified but people higher on the ladder can abuse people below them depending on how far down they are. Obama's mockery of Romney about Russia is a simple example. It was immediately protected even though patently absurd. Romney had status but not like Obama. Clinton could have bought opposition research on Cruz for example and had it leak into public perception. But Cruz has status so this could have only gone so far. There is no way that Cruz would have been investigated for what amounts to treason based on something made up. Cruz is lower on the ladder, but he is on it. Trump, despite his net worth, isn't on the ladder. You aren't and I'm not. There are no limits when the system goes after someone who is not on the ladder. The Comeys/Pages/Strzoks/whoevers are on the ladder. They are low and both fantasize about being higher and bask in the "glory" of being on it. They are weak people and pathetic. But, they can do whatever they want to people not on the ladder and the rest of it will protect them from any real harm. For some, their own status is imperceptible. They are convinced they are doing the right thing in a Stockholm Syndrome sort of way. This is why I don't view what is going on as purely political. What is happening to Trump couldn't happen to Bush, Pelosi, etc. It could happen to a lesser extent with Cruz, Sanders and others. The proxy of Trump via Kavanaugh was an interesting story. It's not political. It is a system that has grown out of control for far too long and it is protecting itself. There are many people knowingly supporting it and others doing so unknowingly. What they share is a belief, conscious or unconscious, is that regular people are not equipped to understand their complicated and critical world. They are above it all. This is ingrained in them and will never disappear. It is why Horowitz report leaves room for interpretation and exoneration of people CLEARLY overstepping any reasonable boundaries and why Beardy McGee will do nothing. I'm not really a fan of Trump, I'm not sure if he is knowingly exposing this ugliness or accidentally doing so out of jealousy or insecurity. It doesn't really matter. It is "good" that it is being exposed but it is an elephant that now has one of its toenails in the daylight but is still standing behind a giant barrier. I am genuinely confused by smart people who are comfortable with this and willingly deny it because people with their ideologies hold the power. That's sad to me. 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: ... I am genuinely confused by smart people who are comfortable with this and willingly deny it because people with their ideologies hold the power. That's sad to me. we should all be rooting for transparency. shine light into all those dark crevices, what is to fear other then the exposure of right or wrong doing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I am genuinely confused by smart people who are comfortable with this and willingly deny it because people with their ideologies hold the power. That's sad to me. It's their religion, and last 3 years are exposing some inconvenient truths. Not everyone is willing to repent, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Exactly the reason many Western communists remained loyal lo Stalinism, even after the news came out of fake trials, murders, and gulags. The ideology trumps a few inconsequential lives. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 So much for 44's claim to be scandal free. Yesterday destroyed that narrative. Not only was his FBI corrupt and illegally spying on his political opponents, he was gaming the Pentagon and public sentiment on his DISASTROUS foreign policy. 44 will go down as one of the most corrupt and worst presidents in history when the books are written 50 years from now. Note that buried in there is a statement about General Flynn who wanted to tell the truth to the people about the war. He was fired by 44 for wishing to do that. Now re-think the attacks on Flynn from the jump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: So much for 44's claim to be scandal free. Yesterday destroyed that narrative. Not only was his FBI corrupt and illegally spying on his political opponents, he was gaming the Pentagon and public sentiment on his DISASTROUS foreign policy. 44 will go down as one of the most corrupt and worst presidents in history when the books are written 50 years from now. To be fair, I don't know if you can really call it his foreign policy. I never got the impression Obama cared all that much for foreign affairs, other than the hobnobbing/social aspect of it. He was likely rubber stamping all the policy decisions presented to him that benefited power players here and abroad. I think history will likely paint him in a similar vein as Bush II, a puppet for the power behind the throne. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: To be fair, I don't know if you can really call it his foreign policy. I never got the impression Obama cared all that much for foreign affairs, other than the hobnobbing/social aspect of it. He was likely rubber stamping all the policy decisions presented to him that benefited power players here and abroad. I think history will likely paint him in a similar vein as Bush II, a puppet for the power behind the throne. Say what you want about Bush regarding his policies but he was/is a far better man than Obama could ever aspire to be. Edited December 10, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: To be fair, I don't know if you can really call it his foreign policy. I never got the impression Obama cared all that much for foreign affairs, other than the hobnobbing/social aspect of it. He was likely rubber stamping all the policy decisions presented to him that benefited power players here and abroad. I think history will likely paint him in a similar vein as Bush II, a puppet for the power behind the throne. It seemed incoherent, but it wasn’t. It was narrowly focused on selling the United States’ foreign policy to the highest bidder for the personal enrichment of those involved. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It seemed incoherent, but it wasn’t. It was narrowly focused on selling the United States’ foreign policy to the highest bidder for the personal enrichment of those involved. In collusion with Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Active shooter (clockwork) in NJ. Anyone surprised? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: In collusion with Russia. "I'll have more flexibility after my reelection". That statement alone has more in it favoring impeachment than anything Trump has ever uttered. Break it down to "I'll sell out NATO and our relationship with it, but only after I have secured four more years in office". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Gal Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wasn't the format changed after the Rosemary Collyer report? I seem to recall Trump saying something last year about a change of some sort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Wasn't the format changed after the Rosemary Collyer report? I seem to recall Trump saying something last year about a change of some sort. Yes and no. Collyer and Adm Rogers worked together in October of 2016 (the day AFTER the Page FISA was issued) to address the specific use of "about queries" inside the DOJ National Security Division and the FBI's Counterintelligence Divisions. Rogers made something like 200+ recommendations for how to change procedures around the handling of 702 data inside the DOJ/FBI and those were implemented by December of 2016 before Rogers left. But the core issues with the court itself were not addressed. That can was kicked down the line by congress twice (most recently a few weeks ago). March is when it's next up for renewal, by then I think the country will be in a better informed place to have a serious conversation about how to fix/alter/change/abolish the FISC and how FISAs are obtained on US citizens. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) I got a kick out of this headline by a former FBI guy on MSNBC AG Barr's separate investigation shows he is 'shopping for outcomes, not searching for facts' Edited December 10, 2019 by GG 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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section122 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I bet they still made money on this. From the report: The $192.35 million penalty against HSBC Switzerland has three parts. First, HSBC Switzerland has agreed to pay $60,600,000 in restitution to the IRS, which represents the unpaid taxes resulting from HSBC Switzerland’s participation in the conspiracy. Second, HSBC Switzerland agreed to forfeit $71,850,000 to the United States, which represents gross fees (not profits) that the bank earned on its undeclared accounts between 2000 and 2010. Finally, HSBC Switzerland agreed to pay a penalty of $59,900,000. notice that it goes out of it's way to say not profits. Looking further: In 2002, the bank had approximately 720 undeclared U.S. client relationships, with an aggregate value of more than $800 million. When the bank’s undeclared assets under management reached their peak in 2007, HSBC Switzerland held approximately $1.26 billion in undeclared assets for U.S. clients. 192 million seems like a lot until you see that they were handling almost 10 times that amount. I can almost guarantee the new year will see increases banking fees for all HSBC customers. Just like At&Ts fines were passed down to the same consumers they took advantage of. https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20949850/att-fine-unlimited-data-plan-fake-throttling https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/301680-att-switches-customers-to-more-expensive-plans-without-permission it’s particularly noteworthy that AT&T is rolling out these new plans in the very same week it paid a $60M fine to the FTC for lying to customers about the nature of supposedly unlimited data plans. According to a new AT&T document, mobile users with old Mobile Share plans now enjoy 15GB more data than they previously had. Mobile Share Value 30GB plans are now Mobile Share Value 45GB plans. Mobile Share Value 60GB is now Mobile Share Value 75GB, etc, etc. Sounds like a nice bonus, right? Not so much. According to AT&T: “Enjoy more data. Starting with your October 2019 bill, you’ll get an additional 15GB of data on your Mobile Share plan. This bonus data comes with a $10 price increase.” By all means though lets not worry about corporations and 1%ers but instead the imaginary welfare queens that are spending all your hard earned tax dollars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, section122 said: I bet they still made money on this. From the report: The $192.35 million penalty against HSBC Switzerland has three parts. First, HSBC Switzerland has agreed to pay $60,600,000 in restitution to the IRS, which represents the unpaid taxes resulting from HSBC Switzerland’s participation in the conspiracy. Second, HSBC Switzerland agreed to forfeit $71,850,000 to the United States, which represents gross fees (not profits) that the bank earned on its undeclared accounts between 2000 and 2010. Finally, HSBC Switzerland agreed to pay a penalty of $59,900,000. notice that it goes out of it's way to say not profits. Looking further: In 2002, the bank had approximately 720 undeclared U.S. client relationships, with an aggregate value of more than $800 million. When the bank’s undeclared assets under management reached their peak in 2007, HSBC Switzerland held approximately $1.26 billion in undeclared assets for U.S. clients. 192 million seems like a lot until you see that they were handling almost 10 times that amount. I can almost guarantee the new year will see increases banking fees for all HSBC customers. Just like At&Ts fines were passed down to the same consumers they took advantage of. https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20949850/att-fine-unlimited-data-plan-fake-throttling https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/301680-att-switches-customers-to-more-expensive-plans-without-permission it’s particularly noteworthy that AT&T is rolling out these new plans in the very same week it paid a $60M fine to the FTC for lying to customers about the nature of supposedly unlimited data plans. According to a new AT&T document, mobile users with old Mobile Share plans now enjoy 15GB more data than they previously had. Mobile Share Value 30GB plans are now Mobile Share Value 45GB plans. Mobile Share Value 60GB is now Mobile Share Value 75GB, etc, etc. Sounds like a nice bonus, right? Not so much. According to AT&T: “Enjoy more data. Starting with your October 2019 bill, you’ll get an additional 15GB of data on your Mobile Share plan. This bonus data comes with a $10 price increase.” By all means though lets not worry about corporations and 1%ers but instead the imaginary welfare queens that are spending all your hard earned tax dollars... this is not the first time HSBC was fined/found guilty of impropriety. it seems every other year they are in trouble for violating some US law or another. they have been fined billions of dollars. additionally, i do hope your not advocating for the breaking of or minimizing of US law. Edited December 10, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: this is not the first time HSBC was fined/found guilty of impropriety. it seems every other year they are in trouble for violating some US law or another. they have been fined billions of dollars. absolutely and continue to operate this way because it is beneficial. Since we are on a Bills board I can use the example of the Patriots. Lose a first round pick here and there, fined a half million dollars, suspend golden boy for 4 games. Worth it for 6 championships and the millions upon millions (if not billions) they made while winning them and being the face of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 And the Sabres are suffering a pox placed on them for having their arena being named HSBC Arena at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Active shooter (clockwork) in NJ. Anyone surprised? In a kosher market nonetheless 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 (cough) As covered in this thread for years now, this is why Flynn was a threat. It's why he was targeted first, it's why he was railroaded and muzzled. He's not going to be muzzled for much longer. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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